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	<title>Comments on: Rename Incheon Airport &#8216;MacArthur Airport?&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Juggertha</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/26/rename-incheon-airport-macarthur-airport/#comment-22273</link>
		<dc:creator>Juggertha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the otehr note in the aricle, I wouldn't mind seeing Seoul made officially into a massive city. A study into the long term benifits would need to be done but anything that help the government coordinate better is a plus in my book.

PLus, I could brag that I live in a city of about 25 million.  ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the otehr note in the aricle, I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing Seoul made officially into a massive city. A study into the long term benifits would need to be done but anything that help the government coordinate better is a plus in my book.</p>
<p>PLus, I could brag that I live in a city of about 25 million.  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/26/rename-incheon-airport-macarthur-airport/#comment-22272</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First ROK, now OC. Why do people on this list always bash places I live?

Oh, wait. What's this "Kick me!" sign taped to my back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First ROK, now OC. Why do people on this list always bash places I live?</p>
<p>Oh, wait. What&#8217;s this &#8220;Kick me!&#8221; sign taped to my back?</p>
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		<title>By: JYC</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/26/rename-incheon-airport-macarthur-airport/#comment-22271</link>
		<dc:creator>JYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTT, but a historian named Lisa Mcgirr wrote a pretty interesting book about Orange County and its leading role in conservative politics. The book is not really partisan.

One of the great ironies I've found about right wing tax revolt activists who despise "big government" is the fact that the communities they live in are so deeply dependent on defense contracting, and Orange County was a great example of this phenomenon. This is in contrast to NYC, which famously provides much more in taxes than it gets in federal subsidies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTT, but a historian named Lisa Mcgirr wrote a pretty interesting book about Orange County and its leading role in conservative politics. The book is not really partisan.</p>
<p>One of the great ironies I&#8217;ve found about right wing tax revolt activists who despise &#8220;big government&#8221; is the fact that the communities they live in are so deeply dependent on defense contracting, and Orange County was a great example of this phenomenon. This is in contrast to NYC, which famously provides much more in taxes than it gets in federal subsidies.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention how this all ties in: Orange County Airport is on MacArthur Boulevard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention how this all ties in: Orange County Airport is on MacArthur Boulevard.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/26/rename-incheon-airport-macarthur-airport/#comment-22269</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JYC wrote:I think John Wayne Airport is the perfect name for an airport in Orange County, as the homeland of the great rebirth of right wing activism.Blech! You go name your airport John Wayne and see how it sounds. 

If connecting OC with its roll as a hotbed of conservatism, I'd rather name it Ronald Reagan Airport. Or Bob Hope Airport.

Nixon at least is an OC native. And how many other things are named after the guy? If I were county supervisor, I would name it Nixon Airport just out of sympathy for the guy. 

Junipero Serra, though, would be the best name. Without that guy, California might not have ended up being what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JYC wrote:I think John Wayne Airport is the perfect name for an airport in Orange County, as the homeland of the great rebirth of right wing activism.Blech! You go name your airport John Wayne and see how it sounds. </p>
<p>If connecting OC with its roll as a hotbed of conservatism, I&#8217;d rather name it Ronald Reagan Airport. Or Bob Hope Airport.</p>
<p>Nixon at least is an OC native. And how many other things are named after the guy? If I were county supervisor, I would name it Nixon Airport just out of sympathy for the guy. </p>
<p>Junipero Serra, though, would be the best name. Without that guy, California might not have ended up being what it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's an old, old nautical superstition (from sailing days) about how it's bad luck to rename a ship.  I agree that once something is named it ought to keep its original name.  

"Reagan National" is an example; it ought to remain just "National".  

You may consider him a "buffoon" but at least he did manage to keep his pants on while in the White House.  So perhaps you will in turn join me in calling for JFK Airport in New York to revert to its original name? ("Idlewild", for those of you under age 50).

We've made some progress in this area already, you know (ie getting "Cape Canaveral" back).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an old, old nautical superstition (from sailing days) about how it&#8217;s bad luck to rename a ship.  I agree that once something is named it ought to keep its original name.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Reagan National&#8221; is an example; it ought to remain just &#8220;National&#8221;.  </p>
<p>You may consider him a &#8220;buffoon&#8221; but at least he did manage to keep his pants on while in the White House.  So perhaps you will in turn join me in calling for JFK Airport in New York to revert to its original name? (&#8221;Idlewild&#8221;, for those of you under age 50).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve made some progress in this area already, you know (ie getting &#8220;Cape Canaveral&#8221; back).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo: 

Try an internet search with "Lafayette statue" and you'll get several hits. 

At least one appears to be up in Connecticut or Rhode Island (whereever "Haverhill" is).  Looks like there's some local controversy about moving the statue -- my old computer locked up before I could finish reading so I didn't get a link. 

Not surprising at least one statue of Lafayette would be located in this area, as I think I recall that he was given command of some independent operations opposing British domination of the Long Island sound area.  These campaigns are obscure now because the situation in the North remained  basically a stalemate after 1779-80.  

The focus had shifted to Greene's operations against Cornwallis in the soutern colonies (Cowpens-Guilford Court House campaign in the Carolinas); the immediate precursor to the Yorktown campaign of 1781. 

Another entry appeared to be about a statue of Washington and Lafayette together; I think it's somewhere in DC.  Appropriate because Washington developed a great affection for Lafayette and indeed came to consider him as the son he never had. 

Haven't tried a search but I wouldn't be surprised if there are statues somewhere in the "original 13 colonies" of "Baron" von Steuben and Kosciusko (sp?); both were foreign military officers who came to assist the Americans during the revolution.  

Neither were generals but I think statues of them would meet your criteria.  I have a vague idea that  there may be a statue of von Steuben at USMA(?)  That would be appropriate because he made his mark as a trainer of American troops.  

Not a statue, but there is an obelisk monument in Southwest/Central Pennsylvania (along US 40 just south of Uniontown close to MD border).  It's to British General Braddock, who lost his life during his attempt to march his army through raw wilderness from Fort Cumberland (present-day Cumberland MD) to seize Fort Duquesne (now downtown Pittsburgh) in the French and Indian war (1755?). 

You recall the famous story, the French and Indians ambushed the British columns of redcoats from the woods, a famous painting of it exists.

The detailed story is more interesting than the conventional myth around it, as Braddock actually came within a whisker of winning this campaign.  

Braddock was a member of a famous British regiment (Coldstream Guards).  Around 1913 or 14 (just prior to WWI) the CG regimental officers got together and funded the placement of the obelisk.  The plaque on the monument lists the names of these officers, all the way down to the most junior members of the regimental mess (if I remember it correctly).  

When I visited it I wondered how many of them survived WWI and if the British War monument/ memorial service had been able to mark their graves; I hope so.  

The pillar was placed there because it was near the site where Braddock's body had been found in an unmarked grave, during road construction many years later (sometime in mid-19th century? can't remember exactly).  

However this wasn't the site of the battle (now a suburb of Pittsburgh, named "Braddock" naturally).
Braddock had been severely wounded and died while being carried in a wagon during the retreat (organized by the young Colonel Washington).  

The column buried his body and then ran over it with wagons to prevent any pursuing Indians from digging it up and desecrating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo: </p>
<p>Try an internet search with &#8220;Lafayette statue&#8221; and you&#8217;ll get several hits. </p>
<p>At least one appears to be up in Connecticut or Rhode Island (whereever &#8220;Haverhill&#8221; is).  Looks like there&#8217;s some local controversy about moving the statue &#8212; my old computer locked up before I could finish reading so I didn&#8217;t get a link. </p>
<p>Not surprising at least one statue of Lafayette would be located in this area, as I think I recall that he was given command of some independent operations opposing British domination of the Long Island sound area.  These campaigns are obscure now because the situation in the North remained  basically a stalemate after 1779-80.  </p>
<p>The focus had shifted to Greene&#8217;s operations against Cornwallis in the soutern colonies (Cowpens-Guilford Court House campaign in the Carolinas); the immediate precursor to the Yorktown campaign of 1781. </p>
<p>Another entry appeared to be about a statue of Washington and Lafayette together; I think it&#8217;s somewhere in DC.  Appropriate because Washington developed a great affection for Lafayette and indeed came to consider him as the son he never had. </p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t tried a search but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there are statues somewhere in the &#8220;original 13 colonies&#8221; of &#8220;Baron&#8221; von Steuben and Kosciusko (sp?); both were foreign military officers who came to assist the Americans during the revolution.  </p>
<p>Neither were generals but I think statues of them would meet your criteria.  I have a vague idea that  there may be a statue of von Steuben at USMA(?)  That would be appropriate because he made his mark as a trainer of American troops.  </p>
<p>Not a statue, but there is an obelisk monument in Southwest/Central Pennsylvania (along US 40 just south of Uniontown close to MD border).  It&#8217;s to British General Braddock, who lost his life during his attempt to march his army through raw wilderness from Fort Cumberland (present-day Cumberland MD) to seize Fort Duquesne (now downtown Pittsburgh) in the French and Indian war (1755?). </p>
<p>You recall the famous story, the French and Indians ambushed the British columns of redcoats from the woods, a famous painting of it exists.</p>
<p>The detailed story is more interesting than the conventional myth around it, as Braddock actually came within a whisker of winning this campaign.  </p>
<p>Braddock was a member of a famous British regiment (Coldstream Guards).  Around 1913 or 14 (just prior to WWI) the CG regimental officers got together and funded the placement of the obelisk.  The plaque on the monument lists the names of these officers, all the way down to the most junior members of the regimental mess (if I remember it correctly).  </p>
<p>When I visited it I wondered how many of them survived WWI and if the British War monument/ memorial service had been able to mark their graves; I hope so.  </p>
<p>The pillar was placed there because it was near the site where Braddock&#8217;s body had been found in an unmarked grave, during road construction many years later (sometime in mid-19th century? can&#8217;t remember exactly).  </p>
<p>However this wasn&#8217;t the site of the battle (now a suburb of Pittsburgh, named &#8220;Braddock&#8221; naturally).<br />
Braddock had been severely wounded and died while being carried in a wagon during the retreat (organized by the young Colonel Washington).  </p>
<p>The column buried his body and then ran over it with wagons to prevent any pursuing Indians from digging it up and desecrating it.</p>
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		<title>By: dg611</title>
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		<dc:creator>dg611</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"no speed-limit beltway"???!!!!
I know it wasnt the main point of the article...still...Just the idea of such a thing in Korea makes me shudder at the number of needless deaths..it would never work in this car culture..it would last less than a year before they made a speed limit hundreds or thousands of people would die</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;no speed-limit beltway&#8221;???!!!!<br />
I know it wasnt the main point of the article&#8230;still&#8230;Just the idea of such a thing in Korea makes me shudder at the number of needless deaths..it would never work in this car culture..it would last less than a year before they made a speed limit hundreds or thousands of people would die</p>
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		<title>By: JYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me Houston's airport is the most charming example of hyper enthused, frequently delusional Sunbelt boosterism, in its first life as the "Intercontinental Airport" (because of course, simply saying "International" wouldn't befit Houston's belief in its global importance) and in its second life as George Bush Intercontinental Airport.

Yeah, and Seoul is the "Hub of Northeast Asia."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me Houston&#8217;s airport is the most charming example of hyper enthused, frequently delusional Sunbelt boosterism, in its first life as the &#8220;Intercontinental Airport&#8221; (because of course, simply saying &#8220;International&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t befit Houston&#8217;s belief in its global importance) and in its second life as George Bush Intercontinental Airport.</p>
<p>Yeah, and Seoul is the &#8220;Hub of Northeast Asia.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if he did for our country.</description>
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