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		<title>By: foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/13/wir-there-is-no-rift/#comment-21503</link>
		<dc:creator>foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Libertine, Gbnhj had a good take on it, that these crooks might have dual citizenship, and one of them might have headed back to the mothership, so I see where you're coming from. I did think of Wie (is she still 15 years old?) and how Koreans (in Korea) sometimes can't or don't differentiate between American and Korean because they can't seem to seperate ethnicity from citizenship. But really, do you expect the media in Korea to report about these slicksters? They're very picky about what they report on, and overseas crime by Koreans gets a little play here, but not much.

When I was a kid my parents were scammed by a stock broker along with a lot of other people, all just working class or middle class, and took a big financial hit that took years to overcome. White collar crime is not "victimless" and no one deserves it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Libertine, Gbnhj had a good take on it, that these crooks might have dual citizenship, and one of them might have headed back to the mothership, so I see where you&#8217;re coming from. I did think of Wie (is she still 15 years old?) and how Koreans (in Korea) sometimes can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t differentiate between American and Korean because they can&#8217;t seem to seperate ethnicity from citizenship. But really, do you expect the media in Korea to report about these slicksters? They&#8217;re very picky about what they report on, and overseas crime by Koreans gets a little play here, but not much.</p>
<p>When I was a kid my parents were scammed by a stock broker along with a lot of other people, all just working class or middle class, and took a big financial hit that took years to overcome. White collar crime is not &#8220;victimless&#8221; and no one deserves it.</p>
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		<title>By: libertine</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/13/wir-there-is-no-rift/#comment-21502</link>
		<dc:creator>libertine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigner asked why I posted the hedge fund story - I think it's quite clear. It's a HUGE story in the financial world which hasn't been picked up  on the blogs and in the Korean press at all, from what I can see. As Marmot's blog deals with "Korean issues", I posted it here. Simple as that. 




Usually whenever there's a big story involving Koreans or gyopos abroad, it's a huge story in the local press. Yet for inexplicable reasons, I can't find any mention of this story in the English-language or Korean-language press. 

Indeed, the persons involved were all Korean-American. Yet this fact doesn't prevent the local press from implicitly claiming Michelle Wie as their own. Or for interpreting Robert Kim's acts of treason as unwavering patriotism to his True Country. Why would these hedge fund guys be seen as anything different? Foreigner you seem to believe this story doesn't belong here... why?


The idiots who invested in such a blatant scam deserve to get shafted anyway. 

Doesn't sound very blatant to me. It's not like these guys went door to door selling snake oil. They were smart enough to know how to lie, what to lie about, and who to associate with There's no way investors could have known this guy was trying to game earnings expectations by shorting ahead of quarterly announcements. Theoretically, the same thing could happen to anyone with any money in a hedge fund - which by this point is probably 1/10 of every American citizen (check your 401K!). Hopefully this case will get the SEC to step up hedge fund accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigner asked why I posted the hedge fund story - I think it&#8217;s quite clear. It&#8217;s a HUGE story in the financial world which hasn&#8217;t been picked up  on the blogs and in the Korean press at all, from what I can see. As Marmot&#8217;s blog deals with &#8220;Korean issues&#8221;, I posted it here. Simple as that. </p>
<p>Usually whenever there&#8217;s a big story involving Koreans or gyopos abroad, it&#8217;s a huge story in the local press. Yet for inexplicable reasons, I can&#8217;t find any mention of this story in the English-language or Korean-language press. </p>
<p>Indeed, the persons involved were all Korean-American. Yet this fact doesn&#8217;t prevent the local press from implicitly claiming Michelle Wie as their own. Or for interpreting Robert Kim&#8217;s acts of treason as unwavering patriotism to his True Country. Why would these hedge fund guys be seen as anything different? Foreigner you seem to believe this story doesn&#8217;t belong here&#8230; why?</p>
<p>The idiots who invested in such a blatant scam deserve to get shafted anyway. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound very blatant to me. It&#8217;s not like these guys went door to door selling snake oil. They were smart enough to know how to lie, what to lie about, and who to associate with There&#8217;s no way investors could have known this guy was trying to game earnings expectations by shorting ahead of quarterly announcements. Theoretically, the same thing could happen to anyone with any money in a hedge fund - which by this point is probably 1/10 of every American citizen (check your 401K!). Hopefully this case will get the SEC to step up hedge fund accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: dscofie</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/13/wir-there-is-no-rift/#comment-21501</link>
		<dc:creator>dscofie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the "more than $200 million of investors' money has vanished, possibly making this one of the largest hedge fund frauds ever" - these sorts of accounts of Korean crimes in N.A. (this being just the latest) have a real affect on those of us involved in international businesses based in Korea. For the conglomerates I'm sure it's of no consequence, but for SMEs throughout Korea who depend on contracts with the West (NA, EU) to stay in business, the perception of Koreans as unethical in business is hurting many small companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the &#8220;more than $200 million of investors&#8217; money has vanished, possibly making this one of the largest hedge fund frauds ever&#8221; - these sorts of accounts of Korean crimes in N.A. (this being just the latest) have a real affect on those of us involved in international businesses based in Korea. For the conglomerates I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s of no consequence, but for SMEs throughout Korea who depend on contracts with the West (NA, EU) to stay in business, the perception of Koreans as unethical in business is hurting many small companies.</p>
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		<title>By: foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/13/wir-there-is-no-rift/#comment-21500</link>
		<dc:creator>foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The Korean press and the PAO have been hostile at times, and both sides are to blame (and it's not for the reasons you're probably thinking, but I can't elaborate)." Kushibo, international man of mystery ;)

The USFK press office can be very difficult to deal with, I know, but I can't elaborate  ;)  Actually, I really can't, but you, Mr. Marmot and I are in somewhat the same profession, only in different capacities....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Korean press and the PAO have been hostile at times, and both sides are to blame (and it&#8217;s not for the reasons you&#8217;re probably thinking, but I can&#8217;t elaborate).&#8221; Kushibo, international man of mystery <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
The USFK press office can be very difficult to deal with, I know, but I can&#8217;t elaborate  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Actually, I really can&#8217;t, but you, Mr. Marmot and I are in somewhat the same profession, only in different capacities&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/13/wir-there-is-no-rift/#comment-21499</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigner wrote:Off-topic somewhat, but this is a good story GI Korea posted about: &lt;a href="http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104article=30902" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104article=30902&lt;/a&gt;

Of course, no Korean media will mention this, because they go to great lengths to demonize the US troops and this kind of story would undermine all the ??crimes by US soldiers (i.e. parking tickets) are rising?? propoganda they crank out every year. 
I don't think it showed up in the Korean-language press. The only thing I found was a press release from the USFK PAO, which would probably explain why it didn't end up in the press. The Korean press and the PAO have been hostile at times, and both sides are to blame (and it's not for the reasons you're probably thinking, but I can't elaborate). If this is USFK's only attempt to get it out, it's not likely going to get into the Korean press. Once it's in the Stars  Stripes, it's no longer in the news cycle, so it's dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigner wrote:Off-topic somewhat, but this is a good story GI Korea posted about: <a href="http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104article=30902" rel="nofollow">http://www.estripes.com/articl.....icle=30902</a></p>
<p>Of course, no Korean media will mention this, because they go to great lengths to demonize the US troops and this kind of story would undermine all the ??crimes by US soldiers (i.e. parking tickets) are rising?? propoganda they crank out every year.<br />
I don&#8217;t think it showed up in the Korean-language press. The only thing I found was a press release from the USFK PAO, which would probably explain why it didn&#8217;t end up in the press. The Korean press and the PAO have been hostile at times, and both sides are to blame (and it&#8217;s not for the reasons you&#8217;re probably thinking, but I can&#8217;t elaborate). If this is USFK&#8217;s only attempt to get it out, it&#8217;s not likely going to get into the Korean press. Once it&#8217;s in the Stars  Stripes, it&#8217;s no longer in the news cycle, so it&#8217;s dead.</p>
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		<title>By: foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhat off-topic or on topic or whatever (from the Chosun): Uri Party standing committee member Chang Young-dal said, "We don't necessarily have to mourn Kim Il-sung, but it's natural to pay respects at a symbolic place in North Korea.?? 
The Democratic Labor Party said the North Korean visit was a ??turning point?? in relations and Seoul should look into sending a delegation to mourn the passing of Kim Il-sung. The Millennium Democratic Party agreed it was a turning point but said the question of paying respect to Kim Il-sung was a separate issue. 

It's amazing how far some of these people can bend over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat off-topic or on topic or whatever (from the Chosun): Uri Party standing committee member Chang Young-dal said, &#8220;We don&#8217;t necessarily have to mourn Kim Il-sung, but it&#8217;s natural to pay respects at a symbolic place in North Korea.??<br />
The Democratic Labor Party said the North Korean visit was a ??turning point?? in relations and Seoul should look into sending a delegation to mourn the passing of Kim Il-sung. The Millennium Democratic Party agreed it was a turning point but said the question of paying respect to Kim Il-sung was a separate issue. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how far some of these people can bend over.</p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon, I'd guess that you are being facetious when you use a figure like $20 million ?? or are you? What restrictions, if any, are imposed by the Korean government, and at what monetary level is this done?

BTW, foreigner, these individuals are Korean-born naturalized American citizens, which means that they can also hold Korean citizenship. Brendon, does that speed up or slow down the extradition process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon, I&#8217;d guess that you are being facetious when you use a figure like $20 million ?? or are you? What restrictions, if any, are imposed by the Korean government, and at what monetary level is this done?</p>
<p>BTW, foreigner, these individuals are Korean-born naturalized American citizens, which means that they can also hold Korean citizenship. Brendon, does that speed up or slow down the extradition process?</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure the knuckleheads will eventually be extradited. But they will already have hidden their assets by "giving" the stolen funds to "innocent" relatives. Korea allows people to receive absurdly-large gifts from relatives who are fugitives from justice, with no duty to inquire as to the source of funds. "$20 million? All from your hot-dog stand? Thanks, nephew!" Once the money is in their hands, it's safe from creditors.

Another thing complicating matters is that "Yung Kim", "Jung Kim", and "Won S. Lee" aren't real names (although in the latter case, the guy's full name is known) -- nobody can trace a person with that name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the knuckleheads will eventually be extradited. But they will already have hidden their assets by &#8220;giving&#8221; the stolen funds to &#8220;innocent&#8221; relatives. Korea allows people to receive absurdly-large gifts from relatives who are fugitives from justice, with no duty to inquire as to the source of funds. &#8220;$20 million? All from your hot-dog stand? Thanks, nephew!&#8221; Once the money is in their hands, it&#8217;s safe from creditors.</p>
<p>Another thing complicating matters is that &#8220;Yung Kim&#8221;, &#8220;Jung Kim&#8221;, and &#8220;Won S. Lee&#8221; aren&#8217;t real names (although in the latter case, the guy&#8217;s full name is known) &#8212; nobody can trace a person with that name.</p>
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		<title>By: Shenzhen Whitey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shenzhen Whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its always money from Florida retirees, isn't it? The article on the amnesty is interesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its always money from Florida retirees, isn&#8217;t it? The article on the amnesty is interesting</p>
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		<title>By: foreigner</title>
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		<dc:creator>foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why did Libertine mention the story anyway? To show that Koreans too can be "cunning" in white collar crime? Fighting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why did Libertine mention the story anyway? To show that Koreans too can be &#8220;cunning&#8221; in white collar crime? Fighting!</p>
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