Comments on: Staying out of the crossfire http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:53:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: virtual wonderer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21091 virtual wonderer Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:55:46 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21091 Well GBevers, No doubt that Korea has a large number of fascist kids running around taught by equally fascist adults. But I have ran into a quite a bit of pro-american and even pro-japanese people to know better. I've said this before, but my grandparents for example, always liked Japanese people. My grandfather was positively pro-japanese. I might have a jaundiced view on this given my social circles, but most Koreans I know are pro-americans. Once in awhile these Koreans get caught up in the hype of Dokdo or armoured vehicle accidents. But sometimes in the case with Armoured vehicle, things do dissipate... The reason it takes so long for such thing to dissipate, I think, is the echo-chamber effect. (i.e. I heard the GIs were sociopaths. Oh really? I heard they loved killing korean kids.) It just takes a looooong time. As for the case for Dokdo, my feeling is that Korean people will never back down on that issue, and probably will forever be an issue. Dokdo issue just seem like a "he said, she said" type of dispute, and frankly, I nor the vast majority of Korean or in fact, Japanese public really care about the details. But, I do see, in my small circle of social network, more korean people seeing Japan with more nuanced and enlightened point of view. The social phenomena of Demo-Dongaree is really complex and I don't think i'm really qualified to talk about that. Well GBevers,
No doubt that Korea has a large number of fascist kids running around taught by equally fascist adults. But I have ran into a quite a bit of pro-american and even pro-japanese people to know better. I’ve said this before, but my grandparents for example, always liked Japanese people. My grandfather was positively pro-japanese. I might have a jaundiced view on this given my social circles, but most Koreans I know are pro-americans. Once in awhile these Koreans get caught up in the hype of Dokdo or armoured vehicle accidents. But sometimes in the case with Armoured vehicle, things do dissipate… The reason it takes so long for such thing to dissipate, I think, is the echo-chamber effect. (i.e. I heard the GIs were sociopaths. Oh really? I heard they loved killing korean kids.) It just takes a looooong time. As for the case for Dokdo, my feeling is that Korean people will never back down on that issue, and probably will forever be an issue. Dokdo issue just seem like a “he said, she said” type of dispute, and frankly, I nor the vast majority of Korean or in fact, Japanese public really care about the details.

But, I do see, in my small circle of social network, more korean people seeing Japan with more nuanced and enlightened point of view.

The social phenomena of Demo-Dongaree is really complex and I don’t think i’m really qualified to talk about that.

]]> By: GBevers http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21090 GBevers Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:38:42 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21090 Virtual Wonderer, Sometimes it seems Koreans want the US and Japan to hate them? Virtual Wonderer,

Sometimes it seems Koreans want the US and Japan to hate them?

]]> By: virtual wonderer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21089 virtual wonderer Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:12:17 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21089 My zainichi friend reports that things have completely changed in Japan as to how Japanese people look at Koreans. I think maybe if we look at the past 3 year period anti-korean sentiment has risen, but if we look at past 10 year period, it's probably opposite. If we look at 20 or 30 or 40 year period... well, I think those intervals are probably the more accurate and representative sampling... My zainichi friend reports that things have completely changed in Japan as to how Japanese people look at Koreans. I think maybe if we look at the past 3 year period anti-korean sentiment has risen, but if we look at past 10 year period, it’s probably opposite. If we look at 20 or 30 or 40 year period… well, I think those intervals are probably the more accurate and representative sampling…

]]> By: usinkorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21088 usinkorea Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:07:56 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21088 Marmot, Couldn't find your email address link on the blog, so I posted this here.... Did you cover this GI event? I checked, but didn't find anything on it... <a href="http://search.hankooki.com/view.php?terms=%B9%CC%B1%BApath=hankooki3%2Fnews%2Flpage%2Fsociety%2F200507%2Fh2005071918392921980.htmmedia=hk" rel="nofollow">http://search.hankooki.com/view.php?terms=%B9%CC%B1%BApath=hankooki3%2Fnews%2Flpage%2Fsociety%2F200507%2Fh2005071918392921980.htmmedia=hk</a> Marmot,

Couldn’t find your email address link on the blog, so I posted this here….

Did you cover this GI event? I checked, but didn’t find anything on it…

http://search.hankooki.com/vie.....tmmedia=hk

]]> By: Kushibo http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21087 Kushibo Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:57:44 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21087 JYC wrote:One of the many unprofessional and inflammatory things I??ve noticed about ??real?? (i.e newspapers) Korean media is their habit of treating anonymous web flamers as if they??re meaningful news sources. I also find it disturbing that they do that. It's very unprofessional. If anything, it panders to the extremists, who are then in an arms race of sorts to say the most outrageous thing. To parhaphrase an old adage, "If it's screeds, it leads." In terms of non-journalistic journalism, though, I don't see this as too far removed from CNN's reporting on on-line opinion polls, where people who are interested in an issue will click on to the poll, and where people who want to voice their opinion more strongly will vote multiple times. This is different from reporting "scientific polls" as news (which itself is too often made a news story), because it can easily be manipulated. JYC wrote:One of the many unprofessional and inflammatory things I??ve noticed about ??real?? (i.e newspapers) Korean media is their habit of treating anonymous web flamers as if they??re meaningful news sources. I also find it disturbing that they do that. It’s very unprofessional. If anything, it panders to the extremists, who are then in an arms race of sorts to say the most outrageous thing.

To parhaphrase an old adage, “If it’s screeds, it leads.”

In terms of non-journalistic journalism, though, I don’t see this as too far removed from CNN’s reporting on on-line opinion polls, where people who are interested in an issue will click on to the poll, and where people who want to voice their opinion more strongly will vote multiple times.

This is different from reporting “scientific polls” as news (which itself is too often made a news story), because it can easily be manipulated.

]]> By: JYC http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21086 JYC Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:25:11 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21086 BTW, Chewie, it's bad form to constantly and obtrusively try to shill your blog to us. If it really merits attention it will get it. You're like an ADHD child constantly trying to direct all attention to yourself. Take your ritalin already. BTW, Chewie, it’s bad form to constantly and obtrusively try to shill your blog to us. If it really merits attention it will get it. You’re like an ADHD child constantly trying to direct all attention to yourself. Take your ritalin already.

]]> By: JYC http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21085 JYC Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:08:44 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21085 One of the many unprofessional and inflammatory things I've noticed about "real" (i.e newspapers) Korean media is their habit of treating anonymous web flamers as if they're meaningful news sources. While I really don't read Japanese newspapers I do hope that they are professional and developed enough not to engage in this practice. BTW, as far as the out of context blog scrounging, do you mean actual posts or do you mean scavenging in the comments section? One of the many unprofessional and inflammatory things I’ve noticed about “real” (i.e newspapers) Korean media is their habit of treating anonymous web flamers as if they’re meaningful news sources. While I really don’t read Japanese newspapers I do hope that they are professional and developed enough not to engage in this practice.

BTW, as far as the out of context blog scrounging, do you mean actual posts or do you mean scavenging in the comments section?

]]> By: watoro http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21084 watoro Sun, 07 Aug 2005 05:42:57 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21084 How bad anti-Koreanism is out there in Japanese cyber space? It sounds very serious. It's extreme. 2ch (the most prominent bulletin board in Japan) for example, is almost entirely hostile. But it seems to be relatively confined in certain social groups (at least for now). For some reason, people who're currently (very) active in Japanese cyber space tend to possess radical anti-Koreanism. Why, I dunno. But these active groups are frequently associated with keywords such as: 2ch, anime, "social withdrawal sufferer", otaku, cherry boy. (I'm not making this up) But I don't know how true that is. Anyway, there is a huge gap between the cyber space and the real world here. (I meant no offence, and I'm sorry if somebody got offended!) How bad anti-Koreanism is out there in Japanese cyber space? It sounds very serious.

It’s extreme. 2ch (the most prominent bulletin board in Japan) for example, is almost entirely hostile.
But it seems to be relatively confined in certain social groups (at least for now).

For some reason, people who’re currently (very) active in Japanese cyber space tend to possess radical anti-Koreanism.
Why, I dunno. But these active groups are frequently associated with keywords such as: 2ch, anime, “social withdrawal sufferer”, otaku, cherry boy. (I’m not making this up)
But I don’t know how true that is.

Anyway, there is a huge gap between the cyber space and the real world here.

(I meant no offence, and I’m sorry if somebody got offended!)

]]> By: shakuhachi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21083 shakuhachi Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:59:07 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21083 It??s not serious, kimbob. We are frequently assured that Japanese don??t care about Korea. Its about to get much, much worse. It??s not serious, kimbob. We are frequently assured that Japanese don??t care about Korea.

Its about to get much, much worse.

]]> By: Kushibo http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/05/staying-out-of-the-crossfire/#comment-21082 Kushibo Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:25:25 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1884#comment-21082 It's not serious, kimbob. We are frequently assured that Japanese don't care about Korea. It’s not serious, kimbob. We are frequently assured that Japanese don’t care about Korea.

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