Comments on: Hwang giving U.S. scientist too much credit? http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:50:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Korean ginseng http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21025 Korean ginseng Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:22:38 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21025 Seoul ginseng The Seoul Times, South Korea - Oct 17, 2005 mountain dew tea produced in Haegye Valley and the other teas grown in the other commercial growing field is comparable to that of wild and ordinary ginseng. Seoul ginseng

The Seoul Times, South Korea - Oct 17, 2005 mountain dew tea produced in Haegye Valley and the other teas grown in the other commercial growing field is comparable to that of wild and ordinary ginseng.

]]> By: dogbert http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21024 dogbert Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:11:07 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21024 ???????? ???????????...??????? ?????... ???????? ???????????…??????? ?????…

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21023 baduk Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:50:58 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21023 Texas AM's cat cloning too. The cats don't even look the same. It is a shame that biologists keeps mum on this subject because more money is coming their way. It is a scandal. Texas AM’s cat cloning too. The cats don’t even look the same.

It is a shame that biologists keeps mum on this subject because more money is coming their way. It is a scandal.

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21022 baduk Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:48:10 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21022 If you ask one of these reliable scientists about Dr.Hwang's work, they will not comment on it officially. But, if you ask them in private setting, overwhelming percentage of them will call Dr.Hwang a liar. The same is true for Wilmut and Dolly. Why do you think no Nobel prize for Wilmut? If you ask one of these reliable scientists about Dr.Hwang’s work, they will not comment on it officially. But, if you ask them in private setting, overwhelming percentage of them will call Dr.Hwang a liar. The same is true for Wilmut and Dolly.

Why do you think no Nobel prize for Wilmut?

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21021 baduk Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:42:57 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21021 Contrary to what most Koreans believe, Dr. Hwang is viewed in the science community as "believe-it-or-not" category. His results will not be put into a textbook for some time to come. Korean scientists are viewed as Indian, Brazilian or Russian scientists. Their work is not to be believed till one of the legitimate scientist in the West has duplicated the results. Even Wilmut and Schatten are not kosher scientists. It will take one of the big names in Biology; maybe some one from Havard, Yale or Oxford. Dr. Hwang has not succeed in gaining trust of one of these "certified" scientists. He is still a "believe-it-or-not" category. Contrary to what most Koreans believe, Dr. Hwang is viewed in the science community as “believe-it-or-not” category. His results will not be put into a textbook for some time to come.

Korean scientists are viewed as Indian, Brazilian or Russian scientists. Their work is not to be believed till one of the legitimate scientist in the West has duplicated the results.

Even Wilmut and Schatten are not kosher scientists. It will take one of the big names in Biology; maybe some one from Havard, Yale or Oxford.

Dr. Hwang has not succeed in gaining trust of one of these “certified” scientists. He is still a “believe-it-or-not” category.

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21020 baduk Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:21:07 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21020 KrZ, If I remember correctly, your cloning of mice was not done with fully specialized cell. Dr.Hwang is claiming he can take any cell from your body and make a copy of you. This is quite different from other cloner who basically split an sperm egg combination into many offsprings. His result totally disagree with the developmental biology where a cell is specialized as it grows. Dr.Hwang says he can totally reverse this "specialization" into oblivion and make a copy of organism out of any cell of an organism. For example, we can make a copy of Eistein from the brain we kept. KrZ,

If I remember correctly, your cloning of mice was not done with fully specialized cell. Dr.Hwang is claiming he can take any cell from your body and make a copy of you. This is quite different from other cloner who basically split an sperm egg combination into many offsprings.

His result totally disagree with the developmental biology where a cell is specialized as it grows. Dr.Hwang says he can totally reverse this “specialization” into oblivion and make a copy of organism out of any cell of an organism. For example, we can make a copy of Eistein from the brain we kept.

]]> By: kimbob http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21019 kimbob Sat, 06 Aug 2005 06:44:35 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21019 The next thing baduk will be questioning will be the moon landing. It never happened. How can you prove it? All the pictures are fake. How do you know there were really men on the moon? How do we know the moon rock samples were really from the moon? Useless and a time waster debating someone with shut eyes. The next thing baduk will be questioning will be the moon landing. It never happened. How can you prove it? All the pictures are fake. How do you know there were really men on the moon? How do we know the moon rock samples were really from the moon? Useless and a time waster debating someone with shut eyes.

]]> By: KrZ http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21018 KrZ Sat, 06 Aug 2005 06:29:58 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21018 Baduk there are plenty of methods that could be used to show that the clone is the real deal, but if you don't even trust the verifications of experiments carried out at other labs, or the verifications of verifications carried out at still more labs, there's not much point in arguing with you. All I can say from personal experience is that I have cloned mice before, with my own hands, from start to finish. It wasn't particularly hard and it wasn't drastically different from the procedures used for all the other mammalian species we are seeing getting cloned. Still, these clones are by no means perfect duplicates. The telomeres are all screwed up, and various other DNA wear and tear that occurs during the life of the organism is carried over into the clones. It's not particularly exciting. If you really were looking to create a massive army of genetically identical test subjects you would probably be much better off generating large sets of idetical twins. Fertilize, divide, grow, divide, etc. for a long period of time and then implant the organisms into host bitches to raise them to adulthood. Identical twins are far more genetically similar than the so-called "clones" we are producing today. Anyway, you argue against evolution without providing a testable alternative so I guess there's not much point in talking to you. Baduk there are plenty of methods that could be used to show that the clone is the real deal, but if you don’t even trust the verifications of experiments carried out at other labs, or the verifications of verifications carried out at still more labs, there’s not much point in arguing with you. All I can say from personal experience is that I have cloned mice before, with my own hands, from start to finish. It wasn’t particularly hard and it wasn’t drastically different from the procedures used for all the other mammalian species we are seeing getting cloned. Still, these clones are by no means perfect duplicates. The telomeres are all screwed up, and various other DNA wear and tear that occurs during the life of the organism is carried over into the clones. It’s not particularly exciting. If you really were looking to create a massive army of genetically identical test subjects you would probably be much better off generating large sets of idetical twins. Fertilize, divide, grow, divide, etc. for a long period of time and then implant the organisms into host bitches to raise them to adulthood. Identical twins are far more genetically similar than the so-called “clones” we are producing today.

Anyway, you argue against evolution without providing a testable alternative so I guess there’s not much point in talking to you.

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21017 baduk Sat, 06 Aug 2005 05:21:09 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21017 There is a report on 3 year-old boy who passed the MS Wordprocessor certification. Also, the parents told that the boy read about 2,000 books already. Another Dr. Hwang in the make? <a href="http://www.donga.com/fbin/output?todayissue=homef=nisn=200508040206" rel="nofollow">http://www.donga.com/fbin/output?todayissue=homef=nisn=200508040206</a> There is a report on 3 year-old boy who passed the MS Wordprocessor certification. Also, the parents told that the boy read about 2,000 books already.

Another Dr. Hwang in the make?

http://www.donga.com/fbin/outp.....0508040206

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/04/hwang-giving-us-scientist-too-much-credit/#comment-21016 baduk Sat, 06 Aug 2005 04:25:42 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1879#comment-21016 "5?? ????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???????? ?????, ????????????? ???????????. ?? ????????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???? A????????? ?????? ????????????( ??????? ?????????? ?????????." Dr. Hwang visited KyengBuk univerisity this year and requested to the dean that he hire one of Dr.Hwang's staff. The dean refused. Sometimes, science is no different from the mob world. “5?? ????????? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???????? ?????, ????????????? ???????????.
?? ????????? ?? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ???? A????????? ?????? ????????????( ??????? ?????????? ?????????.”

Dr. Hwang visited KyengBuk univerisity this year and requested to the dean that he hire one of Dr.Hwang’s staff. The dean refused.

Sometimes, science is no different from the mob world.

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