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	<title>Comments on: Kristof on N.K. human rights</title>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20447</link>
		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Pritchard  Kristoff has a nice interview QA posted on NYT regarding NK.  I'm too lazy to cut  paste link.  (free subscription required.  Unless you are evil like me and use www.bugmenot.com, but you all knew that. *wink* *wink*)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Pritchard  Kristoff has a nice interview QA posted on NYT regarding NK.  I&#8217;m too lazy to cut  paste link.  (free subscription required.  Unless you are evil like me and use <a href="http://www.bugmenot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bugmenot.com</a>, but you all knew that. *wink* *wink*)</p>
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		<title>By: seeingsomethingelse</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20446</link>
		<dc:creator>seeingsomethingelse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you need a subscription but Paul Marshall and Scott Pollock have a piece in today's WSJ: "Putting Human Rights in the Six Party Talks"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you need a subscription but Paul Marshall and Scott Pollock have a piece in today&#8217;s WSJ: &#8220;Putting Human Rights in the Six Party Talks&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20445</link>
		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and a little currency rate change as a sweetner could coax the mighty giant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and a little currency rate change as a sweetner could coax the mighty giant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20444</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul H. wrote:The place to put ?€śpressure?€? is on the arrogant government and citizens of the ROK and their refusal to acknowledge the gross human rights abuses inflicted on their northern cousins. Yangban has a current posting echoing the position of the Heritage foundation, arguing that focused ?€śengagement?€? with the north while simultaneously pressuring them on human rights is a perfectly viable strategy. Couldn?€™t agree more.You mean like the United States does with China?

It should happen, but it probably won't. While Democrats whined about human rights in China for years and years, the Republicans and eventually Clinton decided that the U.S. shouldn't go through an annual debate over human rights in China every time Most-Favored Nation status was up for renewal. 

Dollars are a greater draw than human rights. The Americans' primary focus on North Korea will be economic, not humanitarian, just like it appears to be with the South Koreans'. 

However, that does not mean that engagement is not the answer or even the solution. Opening up North Korea economically and politically will lead to a loosening of Pyongyang's grip on its people, as the law of unintended consequences seeps in. Isolation means that Pyongyang controls all and for all courses of action in every aspect of North Koreans' lives there is usually no other option than Pyongyang's way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul H. wrote:The place to put ?€śpressure?€? is on the arrogant government and citizens of the ROK and their refusal to acknowledge the gross human rights abuses inflicted on their northern cousins. Yangban has a current posting echoing the position of the Heritage foundation, arguing that focused ?€śengagement?€? with the north while simultaneously pressuring them on human rights is a perfectly viable strategy. Couldn?€™t agree more.You mean like the United States does with China?</p>
<p>It should happen, but it probably won&#8217;t. While Democrats whined about human rights in China for years and years, the Republicans and eventually Clinton decided that the U.S. shouldn&#8217;t go through an annual debate over human rights in China every time Most-Favored Nation status was up for renewal. </p>
<p>Dollars are a greater draw than human rights. The Americans&#8217; primary focus on North Korea will be economic, not humanitarian, just like it appears to be with the South Koreans&#8217;. </p>
<p>However, that does not mean that engagement is not the answer or even the solution. Opening up North Korea economically and politically will lead to a loosening of Pyongyang&#8217;s grip on its people, as the law of unintended consequences seeps in. Isolation means that Pyongyang controls all and for all courses of action in every aspect of North Koreans&#8217; lives there is usually no other option than Pyongyang&#8217;s way.</p>
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		<title>By: R.elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20443</link>
		<dc:creator>R.elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still hear the echo from Paul H.'s statements.  The ROK seems quite concerned about intervention from China, thus they feel a desperate need, for several reasons, to get closer to the North since they feel the risk is greater to not engage them.

There is an article in the NY Times with answers from Mr. Kristoff and Mr. Pritchard on North Korea here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still hear the echo from Paul H.&#8217;s statements.  The ROK seems quite concerned about intervention from China, thus they feel a desperate need, for several reasons, to get closer to the North since they feel the risk is greater to not engage them.</p>
<p>There is an article in the NY Times with answers from Mr. Kristoff and Mr. Pritchard on North Korea here.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20442</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as it galls me, I'm forced to agree with much of what Bush administration critics say about his DPRK policy during his first term first inauguration. 

It now looks in the last few days like we're going to be "nice" to the Dear Leader (calling him "Mr.", no more axis of evil,  etc etc).  All of this could have been done starting back in 2001 (instead of reverting to a pre-1992 posture, as the administration (over the objection of Powell) did by default).  

The key is the ROK and how the ROK's posture toward the North has fundamentally changed (IM0).  Since ROK is determined to engage with the North no matter what, we should simply do the same (except ROK should be the ones to "take the lead" and assume all the risk). 

The place to put "pressure" is on the arrogant government and citizens of the ROK and their refusal to acknowledge the gross human rights abuses inflicted on their northern cousins.  Yangban has a current posting echoing the position of the Heritage foundation, arguing that focused "engagement" with the north while simultaneously pressuring them on human rights is a perfectly viable strategy.  Couldn't agree more.  
&lt;a href="http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/2005/07/the_heritage_fo.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/2005/07/the_heritage_fo.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as it galls me, I&#8217;m forced to agree with much of what Bush administration critics say about his DPRK policy during his first term first inauguration. </p>
<p>It now looks in the last few days like we&#8217;re going to be &#8220;nice&#8221; to the Dear Leader (calling him &#8220;Mr.&#8221;, no more axis of evil,  etc etc).  All of this could have been done starting back in 2001 (instead of reverting to a pre-1992 posture, as the administration (over the objection of Powell) did by default).  </p>
<p>The key is the ROK and how the ROK&#8217;s posture toward the North has fundamentally changed (IM0).  Since ROK is determined to engage with the North no matter what, we should simply do the same (except ROK should be the ones to &#8220;take the lead&#8221; and assume all the risk). </p>
<p>The place to put &#8220;pressure&#8221; is on the arrogant government and citizens of the ROK and their refusal to acknowledge the gross human rights abuses inflicted on their northern cousins.  Yangban has a current posting echoing the position of the Heritage foundation, arguing that focused &#8220;engagement&#8221; with the north while simultaneously pressuring them on human rights is a perfectly viable strategy.  Couldn&#8217;t agree more.<br />
<a href="http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/2005/07/the_heritage_fo.html" rel="nofollow">http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyi.....ge_fo.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20441</link>
		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. last thursday, China announces that they will float (or at least raise the value of) the yuan.  

let the conspiracy theorists discuss!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. last thursday, China announces that they will float (or at least raise the value of) the yuan.  </p>
<p>let the conspiracy theorists discuss!!</p>
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		<title>By: seeingsomethingelse</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/26/kristof-on-nk-human-rights/#comment-20440</link>
		<dc:creator>seeingsomethingelse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your analysis is bang on, marmot. particularly regarding Bush's ability to sell the deal. that's the infuriating part for those of us who can't stand the man and his administration, and who believe that he's really screwed up the DPRK file. 

for a long time we've questioned that decision to drop the clinton admin's engagement plan, for all the reasons we're all familiar with. those "credientials" you write about stem from his "hardline" stance, if i can call it that. 

bottom line: if his team succeeds (we're so far away from that but only an asshole would hope that his team fails to validate their beliefs) then you just have to give credit where credit is due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your analysis is bang on, marmot. particularly regarding Bush&#8217;s ability to sell the deal. that&#8217;s the infuriating part for those of us who can&#8217;t stand the man and his administration, and who believe that he&#8217;s really screwed up the DPRK file. </p>
<p>for a long time we&#8217;ve questioned that decision to drop the clinton admin&#8217;s engagement plan, for all the reasons we&#8217;re all familiar with. those &#8220;credientials&#8221; you write about stem from his &#8220;hardline&#8221; stance, if i can call it that. </p>
<p>bottom line: if his team succeeds (we&#8217;re so far away from that but only an asshole would hope that his team fails to validate their beliefs) then you just have to give credit where credit is due.</p>
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