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	<title>Comments on: Oh, sweet Jesus, why?  GI kids throw booze bottle at bus</title>
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		<title>By: Griego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few bottles at a few innocent civilians...a small price to pay for a free nuclear deterrent...the kids should be caned in public though.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few bottles at a few innocent civilians&#8230;a small price to pay for a free nuclear deterrent&#8230;the kids should be caned in public though.</p>
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		<title>By: EumakSarang</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/17/oh-sweet-jesus-why-gi-kids-throw-booze-bottle-at-bus/#comment-20120</link>
		<dc:creator>EumakSarang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In front of the War Memorial... nice irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In front of the War Memorial&#8230; nice irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/17/oh-sweet-jesus-why-gi-kids-throw-booze-bottle-at-bus/#comment-20119</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Military brats are little shits...always have been, always will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Military brats are little shits&#8230;always have been, always will be.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/17/oh-sweet-jesus-why-gi-kids-throw-booze-bottle-at-bus/#comment-20118</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.......I just caught the Korea Times article on the incident.  That is a classic example of the Korean media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;&#8230;.I just caught the Korea Times article on the incident.  That is a classic example of the Korean media.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actucally, I think the Korean media, at least the English language versions, have been more quiet than usual.  They didn't make much note about the large riot at the base last week, and I haven't seen the play up these crimes much -- yet.

Often in the past, the press has used both these events to drum beat a rise in demonstrated anti-US feeling.

What is the Korean language media doing with it?

Any editorials about problemed GIs?

Are they running a handful of stories each week about each incident?

That is what the English language versions have done frequently in the past ---- find new angles to cover the same story so they get to keep it in the public eye for a couple of weeks.  Then if they can find another remotely similiar incident, they add and try to get a snowball effect going.

Of course, the GIs help out by doing some bad things and others giving in to being provoked.

Usually, I could tell what was in the Korean press by what my students came to class wanting to talk about, and usually I had an idea already because the English versions were echoing it.

What about right now? 

The English press is fairly quiet on the events.  what about the Korean versions?  My wife is too busy to do the quick scanning for me and my Korean sucks too much to do it myself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actucally, I think the Korean media, at least the English language versions, have been more quiet than usual.  They didn&#8217;t make much note about the large riot at the base last week, and I haven&#8217;t seen the play up these crimes much &#8212; yet.</p>
<p>Often in the past, the press has used both these events to drum beat a rise in demonstrated anti-US feeling.</p>
<p>What is the Korean language media doing with it?</p>
<p>Any editorials about problemed GIs?</p>
<p>Are they running a handful of stories each week about each incident?</p>
<p>That is what the English language versions have done frequently in the past &#8212;- find new angles to cover the same story so they get to keep it in the public eye for a couple of weeks.  Then if they can find another remotely similiar incident, they add and try to get a snowball effect going.</p>
<p>Of course, the GIs help out by doing some bad things and others giving in to being provoked.</p>
<p>Usually, I could tell what was in the Korean press by what my students came to class wanting to talk about, and usually I had an idea already because the English versions were echoing it.</p>
<p>What about right now? </p>
<p>The English press is fairly quiet on the events.  what about the Korean versions?  My wife is too busy to do the quick scanning for me and my Korean sucks too much to do it myself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: non korean</title>
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		<dc:creator>non korean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh....I was on a bus in Incheon about 3 years ago.  Some kids threw a rock through one of the windshields.  Luckily there were only a few people on the bus and no one was injured.  The bus driver stopped at the side of the road to give chase.  He didn't chase them too far.  These kids were faster than the 55 year old bus driver.  And the people around on the street didn?€™t seem to care much either.  He got back on the bus, said a few curse words, inspected the damage, asked if everyone was OK, and went back to driving in an even faster and more half hazard manor than before.  

Interesting that incident never made the news.

That said, these USFK kids should be punished for recklessly putting other people in danger and for just being stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh&#8230;.I was on a bus in Incheon about 3 years ago.  Some kids threw a rock through one of the windshields.  Luckily there were only a few people on the bus and no one was injured.  The bus driver stopped at the side of the road to give chase.  He didn&#8217;t chase them too far.  These kids were faster than the 55 year old bus driver.  And the people around on the street didn?€™t seem to care much either.  He got back on the bus, said a few curse words, inspected the damage, asked if everyone was OK, and went back to driving in an even faster and more half hazard manor than before.  </p>
<p>Interesting that incident never made the news.</p>
<p>That said, these USFK kids should be punished for recklessly putting other people in danger and for just being stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 05:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think any of you should try to extrapolate a "big picture" from these individual incidents.  

As the #3 post above implies, it could be that when similar incidents happen involving only Koreans it goes completely unremarked, and it's just that the Korean media has chosen to play up this particular incident because it involved the children of USFK.

Commanders do not have UCMJ authority over dependents, thus a Singapore-style caning is impossible (however, I have no objection if ROK authorities want to administer one).  Commanders do have considerable administrative authority; for example, it's conceivable that this kid's parents could be ordered to send him back to the US.  This would be an administrative decision by the commanding general, not subject to appeal. 

I doubt this will happen unless this particular  particular dependent "has a record".  

I don't remember any discussion here about the prevailing sentiments among the members of the Korean media (newspapers, TV) as regards USFK.  Might be a good discussion for a post, Marmot.  

If the vast majority are younger and share a general antipathy towards USFK, then selective decisions (and that of their editors) to play up every incident like this means that the reports will have a cumulative PR effect far beyond the actual seriousness of the individual incidents.  

What will be will be, of course.  I don't agree with mass punishment or the imposition of drastic restrictions for USFK based on such individual incidents, especially if it's based on a double standard that Koreans don't enforce on themselves.  

But, if these things are simply intolerable, then  there is no law that says Koreans have to endure the unendurable; send the Americans home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think any of you should try to extrapolate a &#8220;big picture&#8221; from these individual incidents.  </p>
<p>As the #3 post above implies, it could be that when similar incidents happen involving only Koreans it goes completely unremarked, and it&#8217;s just that the Korean media has chosen to play up this particular incident because it involved the children of USFK.</p>
<p>Commanders do not have UCMJ authority over dependents, thus a Singapore-style caning is impossible (however, I have no objection if ROK authorities want to administer one).  Commanders do have considerable administrative authority; for example, it&#8217;s conceivable that this kid&#8217;s parents could be ordered to send him back to the US.  This would be an administrative decision by the commanding general, not subject to appeal. </p>
<p>I doubt this will happen unless this particular  particular dependent &#8220;has a record&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember any discussion here about the prevailing sentiments among the members of the Korean media (newspapers, TV) as regards USFK.  Might be a good discussion for a post, Marmot.  </p>
<p>If the vast majority are younger and share a general antipathy towards USFK, then selective decisions (and that of their editors) to play up every incident like this means that the reports will have a cumulative PR effect far beyond the actual seriousness of the individual incidents.  </p>
<p>What will be will be, of course.  I don&#8217;t agree with mass punishment or the imposition of drastic restrictions for USFK based on such individual incidents, especially if it&#8217;s based on a double standard that Koreans don&#8217;t enforce on themselves.  </p>
<p>But, if these things are simply intolerable, then  there is no law that says Koreans have to endure the unendurable; send the Americans home.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"My main argument was that bringing families to Korea might stem the tide of these unfortunate occurance?€?"


Too late. I can only imagine how much hatred most USFK personnel have for the Koreans right now. Not that there was somekind of a love relationship before, but now we're seeing the full manifests of decades of irreconcilable differences. I don't think this is stoppable, and the petty clashes will only continue until another big one errupts that will irrecoverably damage the relationghip between the two countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My main argument was that bringing families to Korea might stem the tide of these unfortunate occurance?€?&#8221;</p>
<p>Too late. I can only imagine how much hatred most USFK personnel have for the Koreans right now. Not that there was somekind of a love relationship before, but now we&#8217;re seeing the full manifests of decades of irreconcilable differences. I don&#8217;t think this is stoppable, and the petty clashes will only continue until another big one errupts that will irrecoverably damage the relationghip between the two countries.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These kids and their parents should be severely punished for this behavior. Like it or not, unfair as it is, all expats in Korea are held to a higher standard of conduct than Koreans.
If these brats had done this after the tank (ALVB) incident the locals would have lynched them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These kids and their parents should be severely punished for this behavior. Like it or not, unfair as it is, all expats in Korea are held to a higher standard of conduct than Koreans.<br />
If these brats had done this after the tank (ALVB) incident the locals would have lynched them.</p>
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		<title>By: RazorNylon</title>
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		<dc:creator>RazorNylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 00:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GI's Kids are now causing problems

	There was a while without any major inccidents.  Now someone ran over an old lady with an LMTV, it was an accident and traggic as it may be these things happen.  Then we had 3 soldiers beat a 35 year old Korean in the face with beer bottles, I think r...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GI&#8217;s Kids are now causing problems</p>
<p>	There was a while without any major inccidents.  Now someone ran over an old lady with an LMTV, it was an accident and traggic as it may be these things happen.  Then we had 3 soldiers beat a 35 year old Korean in the face with beer bottles, I think r&#8230;</p>
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