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	<title>Comments on: Oh, for the love of Christ, not another GI beating in Uijeongbu&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: AustinLonghorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinLonghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Total lack of discipline. Time for the commander to step in, and get the word out to the troops that this misbehavior WILL NOT be tolerated. There is not a place on this planet where American troops should be allowed to get away with this behavior. If passes have to be lifted, so be it. Dancing on taxis, cutting faces with beer bottles, assualt and battery - this has to be addressed and repaired, forthwith.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total lack of discipline. Time for the commander to step in, and get the word out to the troops that this misbehavior WILL NOT be tolerated. There is not a place on this planet where American troops should be allowed to get away with this behavior. If passes have to be lifted, so be it. Dancing on taxis, cutting faces with beer bottles, assualt and battery - this has to be addressed and repaired, forthwith.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenifer D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenifer D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OUCH AND DOUBLE OUCH! :( I have never had a problem with cabbies here; we redheads are either really liked, or really, really scary.  :O Anyway, those soldiers should have had a plan before they went out, but, hindsight is 20/20. The old addage 'Instant asshole, just add alcohol' still applies.  Poor parenting and bad home-training can create poor people skills in adult life.  This especially applies to the 'X-Box' generation that grew up getting everything they want from Mommy and Daddy.  Those troops could have handled the situation better, but, I've seen this happen in Germany as well. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OUCH AND DOUBLE OUCH! <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> I have never had a problem with cabbies here; we redheads are either really liked, or really, really scary.  :O Anyway, those soldiers should have had a plan before they went out, but, hindsight is 20/20. The old addage &#8216;Instant asshole, just add alcohol&#8217; still applies.  Poor parenting and bad home-training can create poor people skills in adult life.  This especially applies to the &#8216;X-Box&#8217; generation that grew up getting everything they want from Mommy and Daddy.  Those troops could have handled the situation better, but, I&#8217;ve seen this happen in Germany as well. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best way to handle being ripped off by a cabbie:  take the man won or two he wants out, show it to him, spit on it and throw it on the ground in front of his feet.

The look on the guy's face will be unforgettable, I promise you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best way to handle being ripped off by a cabbie:  take the man won or two he wants out, show it to him, spit on it and throw it on the ground in front of his feet.</p>
<p>The look on the guy&#8217;s face will be unforgettable, I promise you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tae1822</title>
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		<dc:creator>tae1822</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the acts of the minority tend to get more coverage then the majority of Foreigners both military and non-military here in korea who actually are quite nice it is up to the majority of the people who are good for soemthing to keep up the good work.  Unless people find away to erradicate stupidity(which I dont think will happen anytime soon)there will always be incidents like this.  I know its cleaning up someone else's shXt but what else can you do?  Let's try to keep the minority in check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the acts of the minority tend to get more coverage then the majority of Foreigners both military and non-military here in korea who actually are quite nice it is up to the majority of the people who are good for soemthing to keep up the good work.  Unless people find away to erradicate stupidity(which I dont think will happen anytime soon)there will always be incidents like this.  I know its cleaning up someone else&#8217;s shXt but what else can you do?  Let&#8217;s try to keep the minority in check.</p>
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		<title>By: juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh darn... another news "drunk kids of US military parents throw bottles alcohol bottles at city bus" ( &lt;a href="http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSS2Doffice_id=052article_id=0000084684section_id=102section_id2=249menu_id=102" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSS2Doffice_id=052article_id=0000084684section_id=102section_id2=249menu_id=102&lt;/a&gt; )

I know that considering the number of US military personnel in Korea that the actual crime or misdemeanors are lower than the norm and I applaud the USFK for that. It is unfair to a certain extent, but the actions of the military personnel are vewied under microscopic scrutiny by the Korean public. Having that said, I hope the supervisor's take their reponsiblity more seriously. If the superviors respond in a timely and earnest manner to such incidents (police requests) many of these will not reach the level of irritation it produces in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh darn&#8230; another news &#8220;drunk kids of US military parents throw bottles alcohol bottles at city bus&#8221; ( <a href="http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSS2Doffice_id=052article_id=0000084684section_id=102section_id2=249menu_id=102" rel="nofollow">http://news.naver.com/news/rea.....enu_id=102</a> )</p>
<p>I know that considering the number of US military personnel in Korea that the actual crime or misdemeanors are lower than the norm and I applaud the USFK for that. It is unfair to a certain extent, but the actions of the military personnel are vewied under microscopic scrutiny by the Korean public. Having that said, I hope the supervisor&#8217;s take their reponsiblity more seriously. If the superviors respond in a timely and earnest manner to such incidents (police requests) many of these will not reach the level of irritation it produces in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: R.elgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure, sometimes, if problems work out for the better or worse, regarding how civil problems are handled here in Korea.  

As per an example, I personally witnessed one event where one fellow slapped some Korean adjuma that had been sneaking around our neighborhood, illegally sticking up advertising.  Apparently, the woman provoked the man but anyway, the police came and took them to the station.  Since I know the fellow I went down to the local station for moral support.  When I arrived there, the adjuma and another person came to an understanding where the sneaking adjuma was paid about 3-4 thousand (US) to not file a complaint against the man, thus avoiding charges.  The police lectured the adjuma about putting this junk up, the bum that hired came down there and said some bad things, whereupon the guy and this bum almost got into it right there, only stopped by the police.  It turns out that the bum that hired this woman was hiring people from one of the local churches to sneak through the entire Gu, putting up this junk.  

The adjuma nor the bum that hired her were never charged with violating any law.

I was much suprised and enlightened by all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure, sometimes, if problems work out for the better or worse, regarding how civil problems are handled here in Korea.  </p>
<p>As per an example, I personally witnessed one event where one fellow slapped some Korean adjuma that had been sneaking around our neighborhood, illegally sticking up advertising.  Apparently, the woman provoked the man but anyway, the police came and took them to the station.  Since I know the fellow I went down to the local station for moral support.  When I arrived there, the adjuma and another person came to an understanding where the sneaking adjuma was paid about 3-4 thousand (US) to not file a complaint against the man, thus avoiding charges.  The police lectured the adjuma about putting this junk up, the bum that hired came down there and said some bad things, whereupon the guy and this bum almost got into it right there, only stopped by the police.  It turns out that the bum that hired this woman was hiring people from one of the local churches to sneak through the entire Gu, putting up this junk.  </p>
<p>The adjuma nor the bum that hired her were never charged with violating any law.</p>
<p>I was much suprised and enlightened by all this.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd also like to point to the Irish incident again.

&lt;a href="http://www.usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm&lt;/a&gt;

Large group of drunk Western expats.  Big fight in the street.  Bigger by far in the number of expats involved than the 2 or 3 GIs you hear about in these common stories.

And the fight involved security people.

And weapons were used.  Bats, clubs, tear gas or pepper spray ---- and gas guns were also used.

People were bleeding and one of the expats was shot in the head.

The Korean police came --- and it was in Itaewan - but.....

.....since the expats turned out to be Irish, not a peep about it in the mainstream Korean press.

And the police quickly decided it wasn't worth dealing with.  No arrests of the Irish or Korean secruity guards.

One of the quotes by the police according to the expats or the Korean girlfriend was that the police told them they had to make a statement right that moment -- while people were still bleeding and highly emotionally and confused -- or forget about it.

It seemed from the discription given by the expats that the police clearly didn't want to touch the case with a ten foot pole once they realized the expats weren't soldiers and the Korean security guards might have been in the wrong.

And again --- big fight.  weapons.  blood.  expats.  No coverage in the press at all except a couple from an online English language journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also like to point to the Irish incident again.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usinkorea.org/issues/sungod/index2.htm</a></p>
<p>Large group of drunk Western expats.  Big fight in the street.  Bigger by far in the number of expats involved than the 2 or 3 GIs you hear about in these common stories.</p>
<p>And the fight involved security people.</p>
<p>And weapons were used.  Bats, clubs, tear gas or pepper spray &#8212;- and gas guns were also used.</p>
<p>People were bleeding and one of the expats was shot in the head.</p>
<p>The Korean police came &#8212; and it was in Itaewan - but&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;..since the expats turned out to be Irish, not a peep about it in the mainstream Korean press.</p>
<p>And the police quickly decided it wasn&#8217;t worth dealing with.  No arrests of the Irish or Korean secruity guards.</p>
<p>One of the quotes by the police according to the expats or the Korean girlfriend was that the police told them they had to make a statement right that moment &#8212; while people were still bleeding and highly emotionally and confused &#8212; or forget about it.</p>
<p>It seemed from the discription given by the expats that the police clearly didn&#8217;t want to touch the case with a ten foot pole once they realized the expats weren&#8217;t soldiers and the Korean security guards might have been in the wrong.</p>
<p>And again &#8212; big fight.  weapons.  blood.  expats.  No coverage in the press at all except a couple from an online English language journal.</p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uijeongbu is just so nineties! The guy was up banging on the top of that taxi for quite a while and no one got video!?!?! No pics?? Should've tried that nonsense in Sinchon. 

Last week when a Chosun Ilbo Hong Seok Jun misbehaved like that with a taxi in front of Koreana Hotel and then inside the hotel, it was the driver of the taxi driver who shot video with his phone and gave it to OhmyNews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uijeongbu is just so nineties! The guy was up banging on the top of that taxi for quite a while and no one got video!?!?! No pics?? Should&#8217;ve tried that nonsense in Sinchon. </p>
<p>Last week when a Chosun Ilbo Hong Seok Jun misbehaved like that with a taxi in front of Koreana Hotel and then inside the hotel, it was the driver of the taxi driver who shot video with his phone and gave it to OhmyNews.</p>
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		<title>By: gikorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>gikorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am telling you from personal experience that GIs continuosly get screwed by taxi cabs.  So it is quite possible that the altercation was started by the cab driver.  Where these soldiers are wrong is in escalating it into a fist fight if they were in fact provoked.  More information will need to come out on this but rest assurred that 2ID severely punishes people who are arrested for alcohol related incidents.  So these soldiers will receive punishment from the US military along with whatever the Korean courts decide what to do with them since they were off duty at the time. 

Soldiers are getting severely punished and it still hasn't stopped incidents.  If the Army wants the incidents to stop they need to change the conditions that cause these things to happen in the first place.  You can read more about this over at my blog.

&lt;a href="http://jetiranger.tripod.com/BLOG/index.blog?entry_id=1165088" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://jetiranger.tripod.com/BLOG/index.blog?entry_id=1165088&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am telling you from personal experience that GIs continuosly get screwed by taxi cabs.  So it is quite possible that the altercation was started by the cab driver.  Where these soldiers are wrong is in escalating it into a fist fight if they were in fact provoked.  More information will need to come out on this but rest assurred that 2ID severely punishes people who are arrested for alcohol related incidents.  So these soldiers will receive punishment from the US military along with whatever the Korean courts decide what to do with them since they were off duty at the time. </p>
<p>Soldiers are getting severely punished and it still hasn&#8217;t stopped incidents.  If the Army wants the incidents to stop they need to change the conditions that cause these things to happen in the first place.  You can read more about this over at my blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://jetiranger.tripod.com/BLOG/index.blog?entry_id=1165088" rel="nofollow">http://jetiranger.tripod.com/B.....id=1165088</a></p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot, the bottle and knife in two of the latest incidents is what would have cause the GIs to be arrested in the States even if they were not the ones who started the fight or if they were outnumbered.  In Korean society, too, using a weapon like that is going to cause much more of an outrage in both the public and courts.  

Even if you are defending yourself, leave the weapons alone --- unless you are faced with one yourself....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot, the bottle and knife in two of the latest incidents is what would have cause the GIs to be arrested in the States even if they were not the ones who started the fight or if they were outnumbered.  In Korean society, too, using a weapon like that is going to cause much more of an outrage in both the public and courts.  </p>
<p>Even if you are defending yourself, leave the weapons alone &#8212; unless you are faced with one yourself&#8230;.</p>
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