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		<title>By: baduk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/12/because-riot-cops-need-a-little-encouragement-too/#comment-19948</link>
		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rioters used bamboo sticks.  This was not a peaceful demonstration in any sense.  These commies knew their cause was on the losing side.
They got vicious and became belligerent toward the police.

The policemen should have used tear gas and rubber bullets.  Basic crowd control 101.  Without proper crowd control tactics, many got beaten and injured by these commies.  Things will be different in the next demonstration, if any.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rioters used bamboo sticks.  This was not a peaceful demonstration in any sense.  These commies knew their cause was on the losing side.<br />
They got vicious and became belligerent toward the police.</p>
<p>The policemen should have used tear gas and rubber bullets.  Basic crowd control 101.  Without proper crowd control tactics, many got beaten and injured by these commies.  Things will be different in the next demonstration, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: bulgasari</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/12/because-riot-cops-need-a-little-encouragement-too/#comment-19947</link>
		<dc:creator>bulgasari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-nuke waste site was in Buan, Jeollabuk-do, and that was one that certainly stood out in my mind as well. Buan is also very close to the Saemangeum Reclamation Project, which was suspended by a court decision back in February, (the same day construction on a KTX tunnel through Cheonseongsan was halted, basically due to a Buddhist nun's hunger strike).

One of the links mentioned that the "notorious 1001 Unit from Seoul" was sent to Pyeongtaek.  Are they conscripts?  Is their reputation for toughness a long standing one, or is it only due to their behavior in Incheon back in April 2001, when they beat the living shit out of Daewoo unionists holding a sit in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-nuke waste site was in Buan, Jeollabuk-do, and that was one that certainly stood out in my mind as well. Buan is also very close to the Saemangeum Reclamation Project, which was suspended by a court decision back in February, (the same day construction on a KTX tunnel through Cheonseongsan was halted, basically due to a Buddhist nun&#8217;s hunger strike).</p>
<p>One of the links mentioned that the &#8220;notorious 1001 Unit from Seoul&#8221; was sent to Pyeongtaek.  Are they conscripts?  Is their reputation for toughness a long standing one, or is it only due to their behavior in Incheon back in April 2001, when they beat the living shit out of Daewoo unionists holding a sit in?</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/07/12/because-riot-cops-need-a-little-encouragement-too/#comment-19946</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, it seems to me, I can think of only two recent protests that match the intensity in both protest and news coverage that match anti-USFK base or anti-US in Korea.  One was the protest by squatters at the stream reclamation project in Seoul.  The other was the anti-nuke waste site in the rural area.  Now, that was a protest....they almost killed the politician...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, it seems to me, I can think of only two recent protests that match the intensity in both protest and news coverage that match anti-USFK base or anti-US in Korea.  One was the protest by squatters at the stream reclamation project in Seoul.  The other was the anti-nuke waste site in the rural area.  Now, that was a protest&#8230;.they almost killed the politician&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I don't agree with that statement at all. There are plenty of NIMBYesque protests about stuff going on. 

Near Yongsan, for example, on land never occupied by USFK (not recently anyway), there was a huge on-going movement to save the homes or be adequately compensated to buy a new home in the development (with media coverage, too). On a road I often drive there has been a year-long protest against a crematory. And when the government decided to knock down apartments as part of the Ch'??nggyech'??n revitalization project, there were highly publicized protests by the people who didn't want to leave their homes. 

These are just the ones I've seen. They pop up quite often and they do get play in the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I don&#8217;t agree with that statement at all. There are plenty of NIMBYesque protests about stuff going on. </p>
<p>Near Yongsan, for example, on land never occupied by USFK (not recently anyway), there was a huge on-going movement to save the homes or be adequately compensated to buy a new home in the development (with media coverage, too). On a road I often drive there has been a year-long protest against a crematory. And when the government decided to knock down apartments as part of the Ch&#8217;??nggyech&#8217;??n revitalization project, there were highly publicized protests by the people who didn&#8217;t want to leave their homes. </p>
<p>These are just the ones I&#8217;ve seen. They pop up quite often and they do get play in the press.</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Marmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same with mental institutions, old folks homes, and nuclear waste facilities. Nobody wants those around the neighborhood too. But somebody has to make a sacrifice here. Korea is an awful small place even without all these not in my back yard oppositions.

I agree, Kimbob -- assuming that if USFK doesn't redeploy to Pyeongtaek, the next stop would be Stateside, someone is going to have to bite the bullet here.  That is, if the Korean gov't would like a countinued U.S. ground presence in the country.  I just don't blame the Pyeongtaek residents who are going to have their land bought from them for bitching, futile as it may be.  Yes, someone has to sacrifice, but at the same time, I don't expect any particular community to volunteer for the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same with mental institutions, old folks homes, and nuclear waste facilities. Nobody wants those around the neighborhood too. But somebody has to make a sacrifice here. Korea is an awful small place even without all these not in my back yard oppositions.</p>
<p>I agree, Kimbob &#8212; assuming that if USFK doesn&#8217;t redeploy to Pyeongtaek, the next stop would be Stateside, someone is going to have to bite the bullet here.  That is, if the Korean gov&#8217;t would like a countinued U.S. ground presence in the country.  I just don&#8217;t blame the Pyeongtaek residents who are going to have their land bought from them for bitching, futile as it may be.  Yes, someone has to sacrifice, but at the same time, I don&#8217;t expect any particular community to volunteer for the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And speaking of the US-ROK relationship and the withdrawal of certain troops...

A Uri Party lawmaker and opponent of the Zaytun troop deployment in Iraq tells us that: "Threats of terrorism will disappear if the Zaytun troops return home."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And speaking of the US-ROK relationship and the withdrawal of certain troops&#8230;</p>
<p>A Uri Party lawmaker and opponent of the Zaytun troop deployment in Iraq tells us that: &#8220;Threats of terrorism will disappear if the Zaytun troops return home.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this protest marks the beginning of a crucial time in the US-SK relationship.  I've been saying since the US gov. showed signs in 2000 that it was going to push hard for the SK-US alliance to actually make concrete progress on the base realignment and USFK restructuring plans long in discussion --- that we would have to wait until we got down to the nuts and bolts issues to see if the US would have the fortitude to do it or not.

The ROK government and Korean society has been good at dragging out plans until they die -- or have to be renegociated all over again --- which means die too.  One tool in accomplishing this has been using anti-US protests and general anxiety to put pressure on the US government to give in.

But, since 2000 and especially post-9/11, the US has shown signs that using the old hot buttons to pressure USFK might actually help push the changes faster and further.  ---- It might give the US an excuse to increase the downsizing from already set 1/3rd amount.  

The case has always been that the local farmers and NGOs were going to mobilize to block the reconstruction plans, and the NGOs do want USFK out sooner rather than later.

What I'm looking for is how the Korean press and government and then average Korean is going to react to the protests....

and with USFK's attitude having changed so much, I really have no idea how greater Korean society is going to handle this........???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this protest marks the beginning of a crucial time in the US-SK relationship.  I&#8217;ve been saying since the US gov. showed signs in 2000 that it was going to push hard for the SK-US alliance to actually make concrete progress on the base realignment and USFK restructuring plans long in discussion &#8212; that we would have to wait until we got down to the nuts and bolts issues to see if the US would have the fortitude to do it or not.</p>
<p>The ROK government and Korean society has been good at dragging out plans until they die &#8212; or have to be renegociated all over again &#8212; which means die too.  One tool in accomplishing this has been using anti-US protests and general anxiety to put pressure on the US government to give in.</p>
<p>But, since 2000 and especially post-9/11, the US has shown signs that using the old hot buttons to pressure USFK might actually help push the changes faster and further.  &#8212;- It might give the US an excuse to increase the downsizing from already set 1/3rd amount.  </p>
<p>The case has always been that the local farmers and NGOs were going to mobilize to block the reconstruction plans, and the NGOs do want USFK out sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m looking for is how the Korean press and government and then average Korean is going to react to the protests&#8230;.</p>
<p>and with USFK&#8217;s attitude having changed so much, I really have no idea how greater Korean society is going to handle this&#8230;&#8230;..???</p>
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		<title>By: changehappens</title>
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		<dc:creator>changehappens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So assume the USFK actually relocates to Pyeongtaek, how long will it be before that base becomes a magnet for protests, big and small, like the garrison in downtown Seoul?  Always remember though, unilateral withdrawal of USFK is a HUGE victory for the NORKS and their patron saint,  China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So assume the USFK actually relocates to Pyeongtaek, how long will it be before that base becomes a magnet for protests, big and small, like the garrison in downtown Seoul?  Always remember though, unilateral withdrawal of USFK is a HUGE victory for the NORKS and their patron saint,  China.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"hey just don?€™t want to live next to it. But there are ways you air grievances and there are ways you don?€™t, "

Same with mental institutions, old folks homes, and nuclear waste facilities. Nobody wants those around the neighborhood too. But somebody has to make a sacrifice here. Korea is an awful small place even without all these not in my back yard oppositions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hey just don?€™t want to live next to it. But there are ways you air grievances and there are ways you don?€™t, &#8221;</p>
<p>Same with mental institutions, old folks homes, and nuclear waste facilities. Nobody wants those around the neighborhood too. But somebody has to make a sacrifice here. Korea is an awful small place even without all these not in my back yard oppositions.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the rioters.  Are all of them residents of the area in question?  No.  It's the same old trouble makers capitalizing on what essentially is a land dispute with the government and turning it into an Anti-American riot. Thank you Hanchongryon, you've done it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the rioters.  Are all of them residents of the area in question?  No.  It&#8217;s the same old trouble makers capitalizing on what essentially is a land dispute with the government and turning it into an Anti-American riot. Thank you Hanchongryon, you&#8217;ve done it again.</p>
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