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	<title>Comments on: Rep. Park Jin spooked by talk of &#8216;amicable divorce&#8217; between Korea, U.S.</title>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having come back to this thread a day later, and seeing the direction it's taking, I'd like to clarify what I wrote in #19. 

I do not believe that most Koreans favor a complete withdrawal of USFK forces from the penninsula. The reason for that is the one I touched upon: Koreans want security at an affordable price, and believe that this arrangement provides that. I do believe that they find having the soldiers based on the penninsula to be a difficult prospect but, as I wrote, they grudgingly tolerate their presence.

I misspoke, however, when I said that 'a reduction in US ground forces has been welcomed by Koreans generally', for 'welcomed' is too strong an expression. Instead, I would say that 'a reduction in US ground forces has not been particularly difficult for most Koreans to accept'. My apologies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having come back to this thread a day later, and seeing the direction it&#8217;s taking, I&#8217;d like to clarify what I wrote in #19. </p>
<p>I do not believe that most Koreans favor a complete withdrawal of USFK forces from the penninsula. The reason for that is the one I touched upon: Koreans want security at an affordable price, and believe that this arrangement provides that. I do believe that they find having the soldiers based on the penninsula to be a difficult prospect but, as I wrote, they grudgingly tolerate their presence.</p>
<p>I misspoke, however, when I said that &#8216;a reduction in US ground forces has been welcomed by Koreans generally&#8217;, for &#8216;welcomed&#8217; is too strong an expression. Instead, I would say that &#8216;a reduction in US ground forces has not been particularly difficult for most Koreans to accept&#8217;. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add that "It should make for an interesting experiment, whatever way it turns out".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add that &#8220;It should make for an interesting experiment, whatever way it turns out&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?€śKoreans try to?€??€?
?€śKoreans say that?€??€?

I know you?€™re capable of thought beyond the one-dimensional. 

I see. I think I will put it to the test. As far as it is legal to do so, I will put on an American Army uniform next time I go to Seoul. I will have a friend follow me at a distance with a digital camera. It should make for an interesting experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?€śKoreans try to?€??€?<br />
?€śKoreans say that?€??€?</p>
<p>I know you?€™re capable of thought beyond the one-dimensional. </p>
<p>I see. I think I will put it to the test. As far as it is legal to do so, I will put on an American Army uniform next time I go to Seoul. I will have a friend follow me at a distance with a digital camera. It should make for an interesting experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am getting at is that the true believers in groups like usacrime.org are not hypocritical in "want American soldiers to fight and die for Korea" while at the same time creating and spreading anti-American propaganda and misinformation about USFK crime rates. This is because these true believers don't want the American soldiers to fight and die for Korea at all. 

I cannot get the angelfire.com link to open up, so I can't comment. But I will say this: Few if any of the Koreans I know personally or professionally "try to make things as difficult as possible" for USFK in Korea. In fact, many of them are engaged in things just the opposite. I know there are people who are doing as you describe, but, depending on the action at hand, they are often a tiny minority that doesn't enjoy wide support; certainly they don't represent everyone. It really is rather grating that you so often take the worst actions or attitudes or beliefs about Koreans you know or have heard or read about it and suggest it applies to pretty much everyone. 

"Koreans try to..." 
"Koreans say that..."

I know you're capable of thought beyond the one-dimensional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am getting at is that the true believers in groups like usacrime.org are not hypocritical in &#8220;want American soldiers to fight and die for Korea&#8221; while at the same time creating and spreading anti-American propaganda and misinformation about USFK crime rates. This is because these true believers don&#8217;t want the American soldiers to fight and die for Korea at all. </p>
<p>I cannot get the angelfire.com link to open up, so I can&#8217;t comment. But I will say this: Few if any of the Koreans I know personally or professionally &#8220;try to make things as difficult as possible&#8221; for USFK in Korea. In fact, many of them are engaged in things just the opposite. I know there are people who are doing as you describe, but, depending on the action at hand, they are often a tiny minority that doesn&#8217;t enjoy wide support; certainly they don&#8217;t represent everyone. It really is rather grating that you so often take the worst actions or attitudes or beliefs about Koreans you know or have heard or read about it and suggest it applies to pretty much everyone. </p>
<p>&#8220;Koreans try to&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Koreans say that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re capable of thought beyond the one-dimensional.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont see what you are getting at, since we both agree that most Koreans dont want the USFK to leave. 

Still, Koreans try to make things as difficult as possible for soldiers unfortunate enough to be in Korea (and the greatest conceit is that Koreans say that the soldiers want to be in Korea - have you heard that one?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont see what you are getting at, since we both agree that most Koreans dont want the USFK to leave. </p>
<p>Still, Koreans try to make things as difficult as possible for soldiers unfortunate enough to be in Korea (and the greatest conceit is that Koreans say that the soldiers want to be in Korea - have you heard that one?).</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Shakuhachi, the people you are talking about are the true believers: They don't want USFK to fight and die for Korea because they don't really think North Korea would be capable of ever attacking their brothers and sisters in the south. They believe that the Korean War was started by Rhee at the behest of the U.S., or by the U.S. at the behest of Rhee. They believe in what pseudo-historians like Bruce Cumings writes. They believe that the world would be safe if the US left alone places like Korea, the Philippines, Okinawa, etc. 

Side note: I am still trying to figure out who the American citizen was who was working for the usacrime.org folks back in 2000, who was so quick to throw out stats about violent crimes allegedly commited by USFK personnel but was incredulous that GIs had actually been killed by Korean citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Shakuhachi, the people you are talking about are the true believers: They don&#8217;t want USFK to fight and die for Korea because they don&#8217;t really think North Korea would be capable of ever attacking their brothers and sisters in the south. They believe that the Korean War was started by Rhee at the behest of the U.S., or by the U.S. at the behest of Rhee. They believe in what pseudo-historians like Bruce Cumings writes. They believe that the world would be safe if the US left alone places like Korea, the Philippines, Okinawa, etc. </p>
<p>Side note: I am still trying to figure out who the American citizen was who was working for the usacrime.org folks back in 2000, who was so quick to throw out stats about violent crimes allegedly commited by USFK personnel but was incredulous that GIs had actually been killed by Korean citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some of the best evidence that the Korean populace does NOT want US troops to leave can be found in the fact that the Hankyoreh has never called for a withdraw.

Actually, I agree with you. They want the American soldiers to fight and die for Korea, all the while spreading anti American propaganda  and misinformation about the crime rates of US soldiers  in Korea. Rather than assist the US by clarifying to Koreans the real meaning of SOFA, the Korean government seems to encourage activity of this kind. 

Maybe they are setting the stage for the alliance to be jettisoned when the Korean government feels the US has been used for all it can offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of the best evidence that the Korean populace does NOT want US troops to leave can be found in the fact that the Hankyoreh has never called for a withdraw.</p>
<p>Actually, I agree with you. They want the American soldiers to fight and die for Korea, all the while spreading anti American propaganda  and misinformation about the crime rates of US soldiers  in Korea. Rather than assist the US by clarifying to Koreans the real meaning of SOFA, the Korean government seems to encourage activity of this kind. </p>
<p>Maybe they are setting the stage for the alliance to be jettisoned when the Korean government feels the US has been used for all it can offer.</p>
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		<title>By: wooj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wooj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germany does not, contrary to what some have posted here, have the same culture as the US, particularly the American South West. The notion that they have no stress while they are in the US or that they do not have to try as hard to adapt to American culture is nonesense.

Way to "re-interpret" things, James. I'm still trying to find the comment where someone said they have the "same" culture, or have "no" stress. Indeed, what nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany does not, contrary to what some have posted here, have the same culture as the US, particularly the American South West. The notion that they have no stress while they are in the US or that they do not have to try as hard to adapt to American culture is nonesense.</p>
<p>Way to &#8220;re-interpret&#8221; things, James. I&#8217;m still trying to find the comment where someone said they have the &#8220;same&#8221; culture, or have &#8220;no&#8221; stress. Indeed, what nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...having a foreign garrison in the capital...

DOD Sec. Rumsfeld once said that is "intrusive" in the lives of SKoreans. Smart man that he is, he didn't ask some comments section for proof that it is, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;having a foreign garrison in the capital&#8230;</p>
<p>DOD Sec. Rumsfeld once said that is &#8220;intrusive&#8221; in the lives of SKoreans. Smart man that he is, he didn&#8217;t ask some comments section for proof that it is, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, one other thing is having a foreign garrison in the capital, especially in light of past foreign domination that Koreans learn about in school. 

If such a large military base were farther south or on the periphery, there would be less of a sense of loss of face. UN Command or something in Seoul might be acceptable, but a large foreign garrison located on prime real estate just grates on some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, one other thing is having a foreign garrison in the capital, especially in light of past foreign domination that Koreans learn about in school. </p>
<p>If such a large military base were farther south or on the periphery, there would be less of a sense of loss of face. UN Command or something in Seoul might be acceptable, but a large foreign garrison located on prime real estate just grates on some people.</p>
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