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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thought i'd just open up a crack of back story and politics as they have been involved in the romanization of korean language.  this is from Dr. Lee at SNU's korean department.

"Here are some behind-the-scene stories of Romanization although belated. Unlike the western hemisphere, we here in Korea still wrap up the last chores of the spring semester till the end of June. I have read through the long thread of Romanization at once only in this weekend and find some areas where I have to comment since I happen to be the only one participant in two committees both in 1984 and 2000. I hesitatingly reveal these stories which might help to understand the background of recent development and resolve some misconceptions in the thread of Romanization.

 

1) First of all, I have been an advocate of MR system or equivalent. In 1984 I was lucky enough to keep this position although I was the only one against two other senior scholars who favored 1959 MoE system. (In the Blue House, Dr. Sohn, Presidential Aide in education strongly influenced the committee under the Academy of Science to internationalize [=take foreigners?€™ favorite system] Romanization before the 1986 Asian Games.)

After the decision to take almost all skeleton from MR system, Prof. Kim Wanjin, my mentor, in return proposed a modification of ?€?s?€™ into ?€?sh?€™ before ?€?i?€™ (without mentioning the subsequent possible changes before ?€?y?€™). It could be a sort of saving his face in front of the former student but I do not think that it was a necessary modification. There was also another unnecessary, trivial modification of using hyphens.

 

2) Because of continuous appeal to critical weakness in MR system, that is, diacritical marks, the National Academy of the Korean Language (NAKL) organized committees two times in 1997 and 1999. The first project was dismissed without any result due to strong oppositions including an issue against the choice of ?€?e?€™ for ?…“.

I was invited from the second series of ten meetings as one of three scholars. Their opinions are diversified in the first several meetings but it was very decisive that the government wanted to get rid of diacritics. Although I again tried to save basic skeleton of MR system, NAKL was destined to change the 1984 system very visibly. (In the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, Mr. Oh who became the Deputy Minister later was very eager to obtain some new achievement to be promoted. I later heard this story which was unlucky to advocates of MR system! However, I would like to point out that there was not any ?€?nationalistic?€™ intent to expel MR on purpose as Prof. McCann suspected.)

However, please do not get angry with this silly story. I myself was quite upset but in the last tenth meeting I proposed to include ?€œrule 3.8: transliteration?€? in the 2000 NAKL system. The following table is presented to understand the merit of my proposal which was a great salvage out of otherwise another meaningless re-change from almost MR (1984) to quasi-MoE (2000).

 

                      &#124;sound-graph cor.&#124; ?€™pronounceability?€™ &#124;no diacritics                        &#124;_transliteration__&#124;_transcription__&#124;_computerization

1954 Yale system &#124;             O            &#124;          X         &#124;        O

________________&#124;________________&#124;____________&#124;_______________

1959 MoE system &#124;             O            &#124;          X         &#124;        O

________________&#124;________________&#124;____________&#124;_______________

1984 AoS [=MR]   &#124;             X             &#124;          O        &#124;        X

________________&#124;________________&#124;____________&#124;_______________

2000 NAKL system&#124;             O            &#124;           ?        &#124;        O

 

This table shows the evaluation of the NAKL system is not too bad, mainly because the provision of transliteration is included by me. I realize this effect more clearly while I draw this tableau.

 

Originally I wanted to use the MR system instead of introducing a new system. I always believe the Yale system should be used for linguistic transliteration but it has its defect of awkward spelling even to the Westerners to be used for ordinary purposes. If any new system would be invented like the 2000 NAKL, it must be the third one (besides Yale and MR) that makes the situation too crowded. That was my reason to oppose to the draft of the 2000 NAKL system prepared by the ninth meeting.

Along the meetings we had discussed how to write names on the passport. Unlike totalitarian China we decided to respect the individual writing of their old names as used so far especially for those who had published articles and books. (In line with this treatment many companies like Samsung, Hyundai,  Daewoo may keep their brand value in the capitalistic world.) We knew Korea is not the same as China also in her enforcing power to the world even in the case of introducing a new Romanization system. I easily predict the future of using at least three systems: Yale in linguistics, MR in Koreanology (at a minimum of usage to decipher the previous writings) or more, NAKL in all others. I do not see any wrongdoing in this situation since we are in the free world but un-unified country. Only problem is one has to be clever enough to shift from one system to another depending on the context."

 

Sang-Oak Lee

Dep?€™t of Korean

Seoul National Univ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thought i&#8217;d just open up a crack of back story and politics as they have been involved in the romanization of korean language.  this is from Dr. Lee at SNU&#8217;s korean department.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here are some behind-the-scene stories of Romanization although belated. Unlike the western hemisphere, we here in Korea still wrap up the last chores of the spring semester till the end of June. I have read through the long thread of Romanization at once only in this weekend and find some areas where I have to comment since I happen to be the only one participant in two committees both in 1984 and 2000. I hesitatingly reveal these stories which might help to understand the background of recent development and resolve some misconceptions in the thread of Romanization.</p>
<p>1) First of all, I have been an advocate of MR system or equivalent. In 1984 I was lucky enough to keep this position although I was the only one against two other senior scholars who favored 1959 MoE system. (In the Blue House, Dr. Sohn, Presidential Aide in education strongly influenced the committee under the Academy of Science to internationalize [=take foreigners?€™ favorite system] Romanization before the 1986 Asian Games.)</p>
<p>After the decision to take almost all skeleton from MR system, Prof. Kim Wanjin, my mentor, in return proposed a modification of ?€?s?€™ into ?€?sh?€™ before ?€?i?€™ (without mentioning the subsequent possible changes before ?€?y?€™). It could be a sort of saving his face in front of the former student but I do not think that it was a necessary modification. There was also another unnecessary, trivial modification of using hyphens.</p>
<p>2) Because of continuous appeal to critical weakness in MR system, that is, diacritical marks, the National Academy of the Korean Language (NAKL) organized committees two times in 1997 and 1999. The first project was dismissed without any result due to strong oppositions including an issue against the choice of ?€?e?€™ for ?…“.</p>
<p>I was invited from the second series of ten meetings as one of three scholars. Their opinions are diversified in the first several meetings but it was very decisive that the government wanted to get rid of diacritics. Although I again tried to save basic skeleton of MR system, NAKL was destined to change the 1984 system very visibly. (In the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, Mr. Oh who became the Deputy Minister later was very eager to obtain some new achievement to be promoted. I later heard this story which was unlucky to advocates of MR system! However, I would like to point out that there was not any ?€?nationalistic?€™ intent to expel MR on purpose as Prof. McCann suspected.)</p>
<p>However, please do not get angry with this silly story. I myself was quite upset but in the last tenth meeting I proposed to include ?€œrule 3.8: transliteration?€? in the 2000 NAKL system. The following table is presented to understand the merit of my proposal which was a great salvage out of otherwise another meaningless re-change from almost MR (1984) to quasi-MoE (2000).</p>
<p>                      |sound-graph cor.| ?€™pronounceability?€™ |no diacritics                        |_transliteration__|_transcription__|_computerization</p>
<p>1954 Yale system |             O            |          X         |        O</p>
<p>________________|________________|____________|_______________</p>
<p>1959 MoE system |             O            |          X         |        O</p>
<p>________________|________________|____________|_______________</p>
<p>1984 AoS [=MR]   |             X             |          O        |        X</p>
<p>________________|________________|____________|_______________</p>
<p>2000 NAKL system|             O            |           ?        |        O</p>
<p>This table shows the evaluation of the NAKL system is not too bad, mainly because the provision of transliteration is included by me. I realize this effect more clearly while I draw this tableau.</p>
<p>Originally I wanted to use the MR system instead of introducing a new system. I always believe the Yale system should be used for linguistic transliteration but it has its defect of awkward spelling even to the Westerners to be used for ordinary purposes. If any new system would be invented like the 2000 NAKL, it must be the third one (besides Yale and MR) that makes the situation too crowded. That was my reason to oppose to the draft of the 2000 NAKL system prepared by the ninth meeting.</p>
<p>Along the meetings we had discussed how to write names on the passport. Unlike totalitarian China we decided to respect the individual writing of their old names as used so far especially for those who had published articles and books. (In line with this treatment many companies like Samsung, Hyundai,  Daewoo may keep their brand value in the capitalistic world.) We knew Korea is not the same as China also in her enforcing power to the world even in the case of introducing a new Romanization system. I easily predict the future of using at least three systems: Yale in linguistics, MR in Koreanology (at a minimum of usage to decipher the previous writings) or more, NAKL in all others. I do not see any wrongdoing in this situation since we are in the free world but un-unified country. Only problem is one has to be clever enough to shift from one system to another depending on the context.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sang-Oak Lee</p>
<p>Dep?€™t of Korean</p>
<p>Seoul National Univ.</p>
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		<title>By: lux bearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>lux bearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>explaining a pun

?…??…??…??…??…??…? ?…??…??…??…??…??…?

you doing that for bumgarner and yourself?</description>
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<p>?…??…??…??…??…??…? ?…??…??…??…??…??…?</p>
<p>you doing that for bumgarner and yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lighten up, lux bearer. I was being sarcastic. 





(For the record, "Lighten up, lux bearer" was supposed to be a pun; don't take it too seriously).</description>
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<p>(For the record, &#8220;Lighten up, lux bearer&#8221; was supposed to be a pun; don&#8217;t take it too seriously).</p>
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		<title>By: lux bearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>lux bearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this clinches it: I?€™m going to start a website called ?€œmikwuk.in.com?€? and mock, skewer, fisk, and otherwise ridicule everything that comes down the pipeline from migukin.com. 

I have that much free time. 

Comment by Kushibo from  ?€” July 1, 2005 (Friday) @ 11:13 am 


That would be like the Special Olympics</description>
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<p>I have that much free time. </p>
<p>Comment by Kushibo from  ?€” July 1, 2005 (Friday) @ 11:13 am </p>
<p>That would be like the Special Olympics</p>
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