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		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/25/wir-8-dead-at-dmz/#comment-19385</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: non korean</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/25/wir-8-dead-at-dmz/#comment-19380</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?€œI guess insurance salespeople don?€™t think:(?€?

"Sensitive! I like to say that ?€œI think for living,?€? because I work as a policy wonk for a think tank."

I'm not sensitive, I don't sell insurance.  Just sounded arrogant.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Sensitive! I like to say that ?€œI think for living,?€? because I work as a policy wonk for a think tank.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sensitive, I don&#8217;t sell insurance.  Just sounded arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>democracy by a resaonable standard for definition for the word.


Sorry this bit ended up there by mistake.  Maybe electronic Freudian slip or something.</description>
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<p>Sorry this bit ended up there by mistake.  Maybe electronic Freudian slip or something.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 08:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?€œ?€?in a way, conscription law means a universal voluntary military.?€?

No it doesn?€™t. Unless you subscribe to the meaning of ?€œis?€? varies school of thought. Conscription, by definition, preclude voluntary anything.


Setting aside semantics for a moment, the Korean government is a democracy (hey don't laugh), and I would argue that the conscription law is one of the few things that a big majority of Koreans constituents agree on and strongly support.  Yeah, you can go the distance that it still is not an unanimous consent or that the kids going into military weren't the ones who voted for it, but you get the gist - hence "in a way."

As for the semantics, let me switch "conscription," which sounds too much like the king forcing the folks into his military service, to the mouthful "mandatory universal military service," then.  That still may not meet the strict standard of being "voluntary," but there is a difference as just noted.

Despite the small number that sneak out, the mandatory service provides not only the requisite manpower, but fosters a sense of fairness with strong support from the public, and this is an important benefit of its own.  

As for such regime not being up to the task, Israelis amply demonstrate that is not necessarily so.  Obviously Koreans are not Israelis, but that doesn't change the fact that a competent, highly capable military force can be forged with mandatory service.

 







democracy by a resaonable standard for definition for the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?€œ?€?in a way, conscription law means a universal voluntary military.?€?</p>
<p>No it doesn?€™t. Unless you subscribe to the meaning of ?€œis?€? varies school of thought. Conscription, by definition, preclude voluntary anything.</p>
<p>Setting aside semantics for a moment, the Korean government is a democracy (hey don&#8217;t laugh), and I would argue that the conscription law is one of the few things that a big majority of Koreans constituents agree on and strongly support.  Yeah, you can go the distance that it still is not an unanimous consent or that the kids going into military weren&#8217;t the ones who voted for it, but you get the gist - hence &#8220;in a way.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the semantics, let me switch &#8220;conscription,&#8221; which sounds too much like the king forcing the folks into his military service, to the mouthful &#8220;mandatory universal military service,&#8221; then.  That still may not meet the strict standard of being &#8220;voluntary,&#8221; but there is a difference as just noted.</p>
<p>Despite the small number that sneak out, the mandatory service provides not only the requisite manpower, but fosters a sense of fairness with strong support from the public, and this is an important benefit of its own.  </p>
<p>As for such regime not being up to the task, Israelis amply demonstrate that is not necessarily so.  Obviously Koreans are not Israelis, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that a competent, highly capable military force can be forged with mandatory service.</p>
<p>democracy by a resaonable standard for definition for the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Guns and Butter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"No one here is arguing the merits of a professional army. It?€™s a nice thing to have."

This is a different tune than your earlier remarks.

"How are you going to pay for this professional army?"

You weren't paying attention, were you? To repeat:

"Will this require a substantial increase in defense budget? Not if it reduces procuring ?€œgold-plated?€? weapons and equipment and concentrates instead on better doctrine, training and superior personnel quality. It would also help to rationalize defense procurement and do more off-the-shelf purchasing and less glorious-but-expensive indigenous manufacturing.

Also, ROK does not need a 600,000 or even a 400,000 in terms of personnel. The key is to generate combat power."

To be more specific, I envision a highly trained professional standing force of 300,000 to 350,000 (it could be perhaps a bit smaller still), backed up by a first tier reserve force of 100,000 to 150,000. Initially, the reserve personnel would have to be based on the existing system, slowly to be phased out and replaced with volunteer reserves based on American reserve/NG system.

The key to reducing personnel size while maintaining or increasing combat power is to increase readiness, training, doctrine and leadership. This will mean a substantial increase in NCOs as well.

The defense procurement system would have to be completely rationalized. No more indigenous production unless it makes economic sense. Those that do not would be purchased overseas based on competitive bidding. Equipment can be quite inexpensive to buy if no demands are made for offsets and technology transfer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one here is arguing the merits of a professional army. It?€™s a nice thing to have.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a different tune than your earlier remarks.</p>
<p>&#8220;How are you going to pay for this professional army?&#8221;</p>
<p>You weren&#8217;t paying attention, were you? To repeat:</p>
<p>&#8220;Will this require a substantial increase in defense budget? Not if it reduces procuring ?€œgold-plated?€? weapons and equipment and concentrates instead on better doctrine, training and superior personnel quality. It would also help to rationalize defense procurement and do more off-the-shelf purchasing and less glorious-but-expensive indigenous manufacturing.</p>
<p>Also, ROK does not need a 600,000 or even a 400,000 in terms of personnel. The key is to generate combat power.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be more specific, I envision a highly trained professional standing force of 300,000 to 350,000 (it could be perhaps a bit smaller still), backed up by a first tier reserve force of 100,000 to 150,000. Initially, the reserve personnel would have to be based on the existing system, slowly to be phased out and replaced with volunteer reserves based on American reserve/NG system.</p>
<p>The key to reducing personnel size while maintaining or increasing combat power is to increase readiness, training, doctrine and leadership. This will mean a substantial increase in NCOs as well.</p>
<p>The defense procurement system would have to be completely rationalized. No more indigenous production unless it makes economic sense. Those that do not would be purchased overseas based on competitive bidding. Equipment can be quite inexpensive to buy if no demands are made for offsets and technology transfer.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are you going to pay for this professional army? No one here is arguing the merits of a professional army. It's a nice thing to have. But actually paying for it is a whole different matter. Korea will have to divert the entire economy to have something similiar in line with what the US military is. This is at a time when economic competition from China is looming and Korea's economic competitiveness is slipping. To have a strong military, you must have a strong economy - the two go hand in hand. Taxing the public to death to pay for the professional army, is the last thing you want to do. It is just too unrealistic to discuss professional military for S.Korea, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are you going to pay for this professional army? No one here is arguing the merits of a professional army. It&#8217;s a nice thing to have. But actually paying for it is a whole different matter. Korea will have to divert the entire economy to have something similiar in line with what the US military is. This is at a time when economic competition from China is looming and Korea&#8217;s economic competitiveness is slipping. To have a strong military, you must have a strong economy - the two go hand in hand. Taxing the public to death to pay for the professional army, is the last thing you want to do. It is just too unrealistic to discuss professional military for S.Korea, if you ask me.</p>
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