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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a contrarian.  I get it from my mother.  I don't always go against the grain, but anytime I hear a group of people agreeing with each other, I figure there have to be some cracks.

Anyway, I was serious about my early reaction to being told about the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party - especially the tea party.  The dressing up as Indians started it.  If you believe in what you are doing, why try to pretend you're an indian when you do it?  

And even though the teachers in elementary school were teaching both events as great patriotic parts of American history, I remember what we read said something about shells and rock being in the snowballs the mob was throwing at the small number of soldiers, and I could imagine the fear and confusion of the moment.

I also thought 5 people dead isn't a whole hell of a lot.

It was not that time in India where the Brits mowed a large gathering of peaceful protesters -- forcing many to jump into a well to risk death and injury in it rather than by a bullet.  Nor was it on the scale of the Kwangju Massacre...

Another thing I remember now is that my teachers in elementary school didn't mention or highlight the trial of the Brit soldiers nor that they were defended by a future president.

That was kind of a big point, wasn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a contrarian.  I get it from my mother.  I don&#8217;t always go against the grain, but anytime I hear a group of people agreeing with each other, I figure there have to be some cracks.</p>
<p>Anyway, I was serious about my early reaction to being told about the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party - especially the tea party.  The dressing up as Indians started it.  If you believe in what you are doing, why try to pretend you&#8217;re an indian when you do it?  </p>
<p>And even though the teachers in elementary school were teaching both events as great patriotic parts of American history, I remember what we read said something about shells and rock being in the snowballs the mob was throwing at the small number of soldiers, and I could imagine the fear and confusion of the moment.</p>
<p>I also thought 5 people dead isn&#8217;t a whole hell of a lot.</p>
<p>It was not that time in India where the Brits mowed a large gathering of peaceful protesters &#8212; forcing many to jump into a well to risk death and injury in it rather than by a bullet.  Nor was it on the scale of the Kwangju Massacre&#8230;</p>
<p>Another thing I remember now is that my teachers in elementary school didn&#8217;t mention or highlight the trial of the Brit soldiers nor that they were defended by a future president.</p>
<p>That was kind of a big point, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I say no taxation without representation!

and I think the Kwangjuites had a similiar gripe.

USinkorea, I'm rather impressed that you had such a view when you were so young!  I think you are older than me, when I leared about the Boston Massacre (6h grade?) the teacher actually had two newspaper articles from that time.  One a tory the other from rebel-scum.  The point of the lesson was about different view in history and bias in media and yaddi yaddi yadda.  Good times were had by all back in those days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I say no taxation without representation!</p>
<p>and I think the Kwangjuites had a similiar gripe.</p>
<p>USinkorea, I&#8217;m rather impressed that you had such a view when you were so young!  I think you are older than me, when I leared about the Boston Massacre (6h grade?) the teacher actually had two newspaper articles from that time.  One a tory the other from rebel-scum.  The point of the lesson was about different view in history and bias in media and yaddi yaddi yadda.  Good times were had by all back in those days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that is interesting.  I would think the Boston Massacre was a "massacre" and I'm a partiotic American.  I mean it.  Even when I was a little one in elementary school, I had questions about the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party.

Dressing up like Indians, raiding a ship, and destroying property?  Something to be proud of?

And even though the Boston Massacre was also taught, in elementary school, as a patriotic moment in the American's fight for freedom, I didn't buy it completely.  I could put myself in the soldiers' shoes --- what was the mob doing to cause them to shoot?  

It wasn't until much later that I happened to come across the event again when reading biographies of our early presidents.

And what I found solidified my distaste for the partiotic tone of reading the Boston Massacre.

Here are the basics from a website that made the Boston Massacre a very interesting topic, to me.

"At the Custom House the crowd presses in, began to throw ice and rocks, taunting the soldiers, damning them to fire their muskets, knowing that soldiers are forbidden to shoot without orders from a civil magistrate. Private Hugh Montgomery is knocked down, and someone yells "Fire!" The soldiers shoot into the crowd, killing five and wounding six."

11 people shot is kind of a small massacre even if it is a massacre.

"Counsel for the Defense

John Adams, a Patriot, was the foremost Boston attorney of the time. Adams became instrumental in the cause for independence as a representative to the Continental Congress. He signed the Declaration of Independence, became a commissioner to France, the first Vice-President, and second President of the United States."

That solidified it for me.  Can't get a whole lot more patriotic than John Adams, but he defended the soldiers.

The fact someone can conclude the soldiers might have had a justification for firing on the mob does not take away from, or add to, a conclusion about whether the colonies were right for breaking away or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that is interesting.  I would think the Boston Massacre was a &#8220;massacre&#8221; and I&#8217;m a partiotic American.  I mean it.  Even when I was a little one in elementary school, I had questions about the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party.</p>
<p>Dressing up like Indians, raiding a ship, and destroying property?  Something to be proud of?</p>
<p>And even though the Boston Massacre was also taught, in elementary school, as a patriotic moment in the American&#8217;s fight for freedom, I didn&#8217;t buy it completely.  I could put myself in the soldiers&#8217; shoes &#8212; what was the mob doing to cause them to shoot?  </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until much later that I happened to come across the event again when reading biographies of our early presidents.</p>
<p>And what I found solidified my distaste for the partiotic tone of reading the Boston Massacre.</p>
<p>Here are the basics from a website that made the Boston Massacre a very interesting topic, to me.</p>
<p>&#8220;At the Custom House the crowd presses in, began to throw ice and rocks, taunting the soldiers, damning them to fire their muskets, knowing that soldiers are forbidden to shoot without orders from a civil magistrate. Private Hugh Montgomery is knocked down, and someone yells &#8220;Fire!&#8221; The soldiers shoot into the crowd, killing five and wounding six.&#8221;</p>
<p>11 people shot is kind of a small massacre even if it is a massacre.</p>
<p>&#8220;Counsel for the Defense</p>
<p>John Adams, a Patriot, was the foremost Boston attorney of the time. Adams became instrumental in the cause for independence as a representative to the Continental Congress. He signed the Declaration of Independence, became a commissioner to France, the first Vice-President, and second President of the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>That solidified it for me.  Can&#8217;t get a whole lot more patriotic than John Adams, but he defended the soldiers.</p>
<p>The fact someone can conclude the soldiers might have had a justification for firing on the mob does not take away from, or add to, a conclusion about whether the colonies were right for breaking away or not.</p>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 12:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Mark must think that Boston Massacre was Boston "Massacre." 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Mark must think that Boston Massacre was Boston &#8220;Massacre.&#8221; </p>
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