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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 04:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm amazed at how often others seem to be able to find some way to always blame Bush for the stand-off. At the same time, maybe there is some possible opening here for the administration. Could they pursue something via the NY or some other channel? 

At least it's something, though whether any deal would ever amount to more than a scrap of used toilet paper is still pretty unlikely. It also is most likely just some kind of PR stunt by the little runt KJI himself, to get everybody's hopes up, just to have them dashed once again, after we've shipped millions more in aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed at how often others seem to be able to find some way to always blame Bush for the stand-off. At the same time, maybe there is some possible opening here for the administration. Could they pursue something via the NY or some other channel? </p>
<p>At least it&#8217;s something, though whether any deal would ever amount to more than a scrap of used toilet paper is still pretty unlikely. It also is most likely just some kind of PR stunt by the little runt KJI himself, to get everybody&#8217;s hopes up, just to have them dashed once again, after we&#8217;ve shipped millions more in aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is constantly overlooked in the press, I think, is the cult aspect of Kim's regime. He's not gonna engage - he can't. That's why the workers at Keumgangsan are ethic Korea Chinese, and the proposed (now dead) Shineuju SEZ was to have a wall around it, cutting it off from the population. He has to keep the information out. He can give up nukes and still do this, but he will never, really, try to enter the 'global' community.

Kelly is soooo right that all we can talk about is when talks might start. I think Kim is waiting out the Bush administration. 

Nothing will change in NK until Kim dies. There may be some talks, maybe even a deal; but I won?€™t be fooled. Nothing substantial will change until Kim croaks. 

That?€™s why I think all the Six Party Talks excitement is a bunch of hoo-ha. But like a moth to a flame?€?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is constantly overlooked in the press, I think, is the cult aspect of Kim&#8217;s regime. He&#8217;s not gonna engage - he can&#8217;t. That&#8217;s why the workers at Keumgangsan are ethic Korea Chinese, and the proposed (now dead) Shineuju SEZ was to have a wall around it, cutting it off from the population. He has to keep the information out. He can give up nukes and still do this, but he will never, really, try to enter the &#8216;global&#8217; community.</p>
<p>Kelly is soooo right that all we can talk about is when talks might start. I think Kim is waiting out the Bush administration. </p>
<p>Nothing will change in NK until Kim dies. There may be some talks, maybe even a deal; but I won?€™t be fooled. Nothing substantial will change until Kim croaks. </p>
<p>That?€™s why I think all the Six Party Talks excitement is a bunch of hoo-ha. But like a moth to a flame?€?</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Indeed, many countries would hasten to provide aid and support to the DPRK?€™s participation in the global system."

This is the fact.  This is part of the fundamental sitaution I don't understand everyone can't seem to see.

"But these tensions can be eased at any time."

This is the second part. 

We are not dealing with a situation that "only the US is stopping North Korea from becoming an open, democratic, free society with its borders open to one and all."

So why do people who get editorials published in the Washington Post seem so hell bent on putting that message out?

North Korea could have put an end to its suffering long ago....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Indeed, many countries would hasten to provide aid and support to the DPRK?€™s participation in the global system.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the fact.  This is part of the fundamental sitaution I don&#8217;t understand everyone can&#8217;t seem to see.</p>
<p>&#8220;But these tensions can be eased at any time.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the second part. </p>
<p>We are not dealing with a situation that &#8220;only the US is stopping North Korea from becoming an open, democratic, free society with its borders open to one and all.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why do people who get editorials published in the Washington Post seem so hell bent on putting that message out?</p>
<p>North Korea could have put an end to its suffering long ago&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might comment with strong language a good bit, but it is usually banter.  This time, I mean it.  I'm tired of the crap.

"As we well know, this is not the first time that Kim has sought engagement rather than hostility with President Bush, whom he discussed in surprisingly positive terms last Friday."

Heaping piles of bullshit.

Why are so many of the people in the know so freaking stupid?

North Korea could change it's situation virtually overnight.  But why do these guys point the finger in the other direction?

If North Korean wanted to feed its people and help them, it could allow not so friendly to America-NGOs go around the country, but instead, we see these NGOs packing up and leaving.

Why?  Do I need well known Korean experts to tell me Doctor's Without Borders "just needs to take Pyongyang's opening and end their hostility to the regime"?

North Korea could have set up permanent family reunion sites anytime since 1998.  How much further up North Korea's ass does SK have to shove itself before "Kim Jong Il recognizes the South's non-hostility"?  What other freaking "windows of opportunity" does South Korea have to jump through to convince Pyongyang "of their good intentions?"

Mail service, humanitarian assistance, phone links to seperated families, allowing Mt. Kumgang tourists to mix and mingle with regular North Koreas..........how many more mundane things do we have to lay out in a list......things North Korea could have done at any moment with very little effort........to show that North Korea is NOT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might comment with strong language a good bit, but it is usually banter.  This time, I mean it.  I&#8217;m tired of the crap.</p>
<p>&#8220;As we well know, this is not the first time that Kim has sought engagement rather than hostility with President Bush, whom he discussed in surprisingly positive terms last Friday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heaping piles of bullshit.</p>
<p>Why are so many of the people in the know so freaking stupid?</p>
<p>North Korea could change it&#8217;s situation virtually overnight.  But why do these guys point the finger in the other direction?</p>
<p>If North Korean wanted to feed its people and help them, it could allow not so friendly to America-NGOs go around the country, but instead, we see these NGOs packing up and leaving.</p>
<p>Why?  Do I need well known Korean experts to tell me Doctor&#8217;s Without Borders &#8220;just needs to take Pyongyang&#8217;s opening and end their hostility to the regime&#8221;?</p>
<p>North Korea could have set up permanent family reunion sites anytime since 1998.  How much further up North Korea&#8217;s ass does SK have to shove itself before &#8220;Kim Jong Il recognizes the South&#8217;s non-hostility&#8221;?  What other freaking &#8220;windows of opportunity&#8221; does South Korea have to jump through to convince Pyongyang &#8220;of their good intentions?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mail service, humanitarian assistance, phone links to seperated families, allowing Mt. Kumgang tourists to mix and mingle with regular North Koreas&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.how many more mundane things do we have to lay out in a list&#8230;&#8230;things North Korea could have done at any moment with very little effort&#8230;&#8230;..to show that North Korea is NOT</p>
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