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		<dc:creator>The Marmots Hole  Dog Poop Girl makes WaPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Guns and Butter</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In my opinion, Korea is a social society..."

What society isn't social?

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Here's the Real Poop on Civic-Minded Seattle (Seattle Times)

What can I say? One of the reasons I love Seattle is that it's very "Asian" (architecture, food, etc.). One of the reasons I hate Seattle is that it's very "Asian" (parking on sidewalks, dog poop, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my opinion, Korea is a social society&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What society isn&#8217;t social?</p>
<p>As for dog excrement, here is what I wrote for the Seattle Times a while back:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Real Poop on Civic-Minded Seattle (Seattle Times)</p>
<p>What can I say? One of the reasons I love Seattle is that it&#8217;s very &#8220;Asian&#8221; (architecture, food, etc.). One of the reasons I hate Seattle is that it&#8217;s very &#8220;Asian&#8221; (parking on sidewalks, dog poop, etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: ddongjip</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Snow is pretty much right regarding possible overreaction.
It is a serious matter though. The person who posts the "event" on the bulletin board may well be a vindictive, spiteful person who just doesn't like the target for whatever reason.

There's a reason the article refered to the SNU incident as a "kangaroo court". Did the fight even take place? If it did, was it really just about noise in the library? How can anyone know? Was any evidence presented other than the posters version of events? Was the resultant "lynching" warranted? I suspect probably not.

You can call it cyber terrorism (a bit strong in my opinion), cyber lynching, or whatever you want. The fact remains that it is at best irresponsible behaviour, and at worst malicious and harmful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Snow is pretty much right regarding possible overreaction.<br />
It is a serious matter though. The person who posts the &#8220;event&#8221; on the bulletin board may well be a vindictive, spiteful person who just doesn&#8217;t like the target for whatever reason.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason the article refered to the SNU incident as a &#8220;kangaroo court&#8221;. Did the fight even take place? If it did, was it really just about noise in the library? How can anyone know? Was any evidence presented other than the posters version of events? Was the resultant &#8220;lynching&#8221; warranted? I suspect probably not.</p>
<p>You can call it cyber terrorism (a bit strong in my opinion), cyber lynching, or whatever you want. The fact remains that it is at best irresponsible behaviour, and at worst malicious and harmful.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all sounds like a total overreaction to very minor events. Gee, that never happens in Korea, does it? 

Sure, these people made some social faux pas, and deserved some kind of rebuke, but to be harrassed to no end at school and at home, probably by nutbars and losers? 

I think it is a problem, cause it is the same idiot rumor mill that always goes over the top when any perceived wrong is posted on the net. It's in the same vein as the over the top nationalism. This kind of thing just invites more total irrationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all sounds like a total overreaction to very minor events. Gee, that never happens in Korea, does it? </p>
<p>Sure, these people made some social faux pas, and deserved some kind of rebuke, but to be harrassed to no end at school and at home, probably by nutbars and losers? </p>
<p>I think it is a problem, cause it is the same idiot rumor mill that always goes over the top when any perceived wrong is posted on the net. It&#8217;s in the same vein as the over the top nationalism. This kind of thing just invites more total irrationalism.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelMichael</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Korea is a social society ?€“ what I mean by that is that people are very concerned about what others see and think about them." Well, yes and no. It seems in the past people were only concerned with the opinions of people they knew, who were their peers or above them in status, and now this is dissolving with the advent of Internet, Western culture, and of course President Bush. :) But I doubt that heckling somebody online will make anyone considerate or well behaved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Korea is a social society ?€“ what I mean by that is that people are very concerned about what others see and think about them.&#8221; Well, yes and no. It seems in the past people were only concerned with the opinions of people they knew, who were their peers or above them in status, and now this is dissolving with the advent of Internet, Western culture, and of course President Bush. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> But I doubt that heckling somebody online will make anyone considerate or well behaved.</p>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is cuber-terrorism? Exactly! Cyber-terrorism is a nifty term coined by military eunichs with gay tendencies assigned to useless higher staffs who had too much time on their hands. It was taken up with a vengeance by defense contractors interested in increasing corporate profits, who by linking net security with that latest buzzword "terrorism", ensured that their latest projects would lumped with "war on terrorism" initiatives, and thus slip under resource mananger's radar. When off duty, these same eunichs tend to wear penguin suits, sip frothy alcoholic concoctions, and hang with similarly neutered military lawyers who draft up complex and tediously nuanced rules of engagement for use by high school educated squad leaders whose backsides they are not worthy to pimple. Pity to see that the term has bled over into the civilian sphere. Similar to "narco-terrorism", except in this latter case the bad guys used real terror methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is cuber-terrorism? Exactly! Cyber-terrorism is a nifty term coined by military eunichs with gay tendencies assigned to useless higher staffs who had too much time on their hands. It was taken up with a vengeance by defense contractors interested in increasing corporate profits, who by linking net security with that latest buzzword &#8220;terrorism&#8221;, ensured that their latest projects would lumped with &#8220;war on terrorism&#8221; initiatives, and thus slip under resource mananger&#8217;s radar. When off duty, these same eunichs tend to wear penguin suits, sip frothy alcoholic concoctions, and hang with similarly neutered military lawyers who draft up complex and tediously nuanced rules of engagement for use by high school educated squad leaders whose backsides they are not worthy to pimple. Pity to see that the term has bled over into the civilian sphere. Similar to &#8220;narco-terrorism&#8221;, except in this latter case the bad guys used real terror methods.</p>
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		<title>By: R.elgin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, this sort of thing is subject to abuse, as you point out but, in Korea, there is a serious lack of attention to many ongoing problems, i.e., illegal advertising, banners, noise, etc. where many of the perpetrators sneak around, trying to be unknown.  Perhaps the use of the internet to make them more known is a good idea since the government does not have the will to police anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, this sort of thing is subject to abuse, as you point out but, in Korea, there is a serious lack of attention to many ongoing problems, i.e., illegal advertising, banners, noise, etc. where many of the perpetrators sneak around, trying to be unknown.  Perhaps the use of the internet to make them more known is a good idea since the government does not have the will to police anything.</p>
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