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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17875</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua wrote:Stabbings?   courtesy of those fine patriots at Portland Indymedia, plus much more here.In 2002, it was stabbing (singular). (I happened to be in a forum with the PAO who got stabbed and I was quite amazed at how magnanimous he was about it). 

The doctor who was stabbed in 2000 was killed by a severely mentally ill homeless man. Though extremely tragic, it was not part of the anti-American orgy in 2002.

My point is that we should focus on what has really happened, not exaggerate it or misreport it.I?€™m not going to knock myself out proving that the U.S. government?€™s reaction on the whole has been that compassionate when thus, far, it?€™s an unfulfilled promise.It's an empty promise. Few if any North Koreans can make it to US soil or diplomatic missions, so it's an empty promise. The US is not in the situation that South Korea is facing, where tens or hundreds of thousands of people may have to be absorbed. Hence, being economic buddies with the North Koreans' second-worst tormentors, while at the same time criticizing South Korea's resolve in taking in a flood of people, is specious.I refer, of course, to the North Korean Human Rights Act, the hundreds of people (just the ones I know) who supported it, and a substantial number of Japanese activists I?€™ve also met.  The implementation record of the NKHRA thus far is nothing to boast about yet, but an unfulfilled promise is a great deal better than financial support for the regime, especially if someone gets around to fulfilling it.  Congress recently got sufficiently concerned that it held hearings, with the State Department being on the receiving end of some strong hints and tough questions. Whether this is sincere or for public consumption remains to be seen, but Reps. Leach, Lantos, and Hyde are sincere.I agree that Leach, Lantos, and Hyde are probably very sincere, but (especially in Hyde's case) it does not give the right justification to bash South Korea's government for its serious apprehension about the repercussions of taking in a flood refugees.

If the US is serious, then it would be working out a deal with China to STOP RETURNING REFUGEES and to TAKE IN AT LEAST AS MANY NORTH KOREAN REFUGEES AS SOUTH KOREA DOES. If it fails to do this, then those words are merely words. The good news?€“and I hope it ultimately proves me wrong?€“is that I see initial signs of a South Korean ?€œNew Right?€? finding its voice.  I hope to publish more on that in the near future.  Some of its leaders are disillusioned former leftist radicals; at least one of them was a political prisoner in the 1980s. I hope you're right. I support some aspects of the Sunshine Policy but I think that Roh is a clueless goofball who shoots off his mouth and doesn't have a coherent strategy, thus he's kowtowing to China and to the North and he's putting his fears ahead of the interests of the North Koreans suffering in China, our wonderful economic partner.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua wrote:Stabbings?   courtesy of those fine patriots at Portland Indymedia, plus much more here.In 2002, it was stabbing (singular). (I happened to be in a forum with the PAO who got stabbed and I was quite amazed at how magnanimous he was about it). </p>
<p>The doctor who was stabbed in 2000 was killed by a severely mentally ill homeless man. Though extremely tragic, it was not part of the anti-American orgy in 2002.</p>
<p>My point is that we should focus on what has really happened, not exaggerate it or misreport it.I?€™m not going to knock myself out proving that the U.S. government?€™s reaction on the whole has been that compassionate when thus, far, it?€™s an unfulfilled promise.It&#8217;s an empty promise. Few if any North Koreans can make it to US soil or diplomatic missions, so it&#8217;s an empty promise. The US is not in the situation that South Korea is facing, where tens or hundreds of thousands of people may have to be absorbed. Hence, being economic buddies with the North Koreans&#8217; second-worst tormentors, while at the same time criticizing South Korea&#8217;s resolve in taking in a flood of people, is specious.I refer, of course, to the North Korean Human Rights Act, the hundreds of people (just the ones I know) who supported it, and a substantial number of Japanese activists I?€™ve also met.  The implementation record of the NKHRA thus far is nothing to boast about yet, but an unfulfilled promise is a great deal better than financial support for the regime, especially if someone gets around to fulfilling it.  Congress recently got sufficiently concerned that it held hearings, with the State Department being on the receiving end of some strong hints and tough questions. Whether this is sincere or for public consumption remains to be seen, but Reps. Leach, Lantos, and Hyde are sincere.I agree that Leach, Lantos, and Hyde are probably very sincere, but (especially in Hyde&#8217;s case) it does not give the right justification to bash South Korea&#8217;s government for its serious apprehension about the repercussions of taking in a flood refugees.</p>
<p>If the US is serious, then it would be working out a deal with China to STOP RETURNING REFUGEES and to TAKE IN AT LEAST AS MANY NORTH KOREAN REFUGEES AS SOUTH KOREA DOES. If it fails to do this, then those words are merely words. The good news?€“and I hope it ultimately proves me wrong?€“is that I see initial signs of a South Korean ?€œNew Right?€? finding its voice.  I hope to publish more on that in the near future.  Some of its leaders are disillusioned former leftist radicals; at least one of them was a political prisoner in the 1980s. I hope you&#8217;re right. I support some aspects of the Sunshine Policy but I think that Roh is a clueless goofball who shoots off his mouth and doesn&#8217;t have a coherent strategy, thus he&#8217;s kowtowing to China and to the North and he&#8217;s putting his fears ahead of the interests of the North Koreans suffering in China, our wonderful economic partner.</p>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17874</link>
		<dc:creator>hardyandtiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not dee chance fa Norbert to have his veena vashed in Patong? Come on baby she sports dee mustache you looooove!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not dee chance fa Norbert to have his veena vashed in Patong? Come on baby she sports dee mustache you looooove!</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17873</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visas are easy to get but highly restrictive, and so many of his activist activities would not be allowed under most (perhaps all) visas available to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visas are easy to get but highly restrictive, and so many of his activist activities would not be allowed under most (perhaps all) visas available to him.</p>
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		<title>By: seeingsomethingelse</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17872</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all of this is just silly. why can't the guy, like every other foreigner who stays here long term, identify just one of the plethora of ways to get a visa and solve his problem that way. it's ridiculous to go in and out, in and out by tourist visa. my recommendation: find a nice korean girl and get married. a good ol' f2-1 will take care of everything. doesn't even need to work. he could just continue to gadfly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all of this is just silly. why can&#8217;t the guy, like every other foreigner who stays here long term, identify just one of the plethora of ways to get a visa and solve his problem that way. it&#8217;s ridiculous to go in and out, in and out by tourist visa. my recommendation: find a nice korean girl and get married. a good ol&#8217; f2-1 will take care of everything. doesn&#8217;t even need to work. he could just continue to gadfly.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17871</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, problem solved:

The DailyNK is at dailynk.com.

The creative folks at Chosun have evidently registered dailynk.co.kr as an address for their own site on the North, nk.chosun.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, problem solved:</p>
<p>The DailyNK is at dailynk.com.</p>
<p>The creative folks at Chosun have evidently registered dailynk.co.kr as an address for their own site on the North, nk.chosun.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17870</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's curious: the DailyNK is being hosted at the Chosun Ilbo's Website (chosun.com).  I don't recall that it used to be that way....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s curious: the DailyNK is being hosted at the Chosun Ilbo&#8217;s Website (chosun.com).  I don&#8217;t recall that it used to be that way&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17869</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanksmissed your reply while writing my own.  I've checked out that site once or twice before but haven't really explored it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanksmissed your reply while writing my own.  I&#8217;ve checked out that site once or twice before but haven&#8217;t really explored it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17868</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slight correction: Commentary started up in 1945.  And its editorial positions really are pretty far to the right.  See here more on the magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slight correction: Commentary started up in 1945.  And its editorial positions really are pretty far to the right.  See here more on the magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/04/dr-v-gets-the-boot/#comment-17867</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I edited what I consider to be a very insightful piece today for one of its leading lights.  I begged the man to let me publish it, but he's going to give the Washington Post a whack first.  And yes, I think your neocon analogy holds some water, up to a point.  He even claims that some DLP members are increasingly critical of North Korea's human rights record.  

Rather than giving you names, I'll refer you to their version of Commentary--DailyNK--which is supposed to start publishing my stuff in the near future.  Their readership is apparently quite high these days (at least that's what they tell me).  You may recall DailyNK posted the video of the North Korean dissenters.

None of this is to suggest that I agree with all of their views.  For one thing, I'm not sure the closeness of their association with Hwang Jang Yop is doing them much good.  On the other hand, they seem to have a healthy respect for debate, and they do have some actual North Koreans in their organization besides Hwang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I edited what I consider to be a very insightful piece today for one of its leading lights.  I begged the man to let me publish it, but he&#8217;s going to give the Washington Post a whack first.  And yes, I think your neocon analogy holds some water, up to a point.  He even claims that some DLP members are increasingly critical of North Korea&#8217;s human rights record.  </p>
<p>Rather than giving you names, I&#8217;ll refer you to their version of Commentary&#8211;DailyNK&#8211;which is supposed to start publishing my stuff in the near future.  Their readership is apparently quite high these days (at least that&#8217;s what they tell me).  You may recall DailyNK posted the video of the North Korean dissenters.</p>
<p>None of this is to suggest that I agree with all of their views.  For one thing, I&#8217;m not sure the closeness of their association with Hwang Jang Yop is doing them much good.  On the other hand, they seem to have a healthy respect for debate, and they do have some actual North Koreans in their organization besides Hwang.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious  (a.k.a. Sewing)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, I'd be intrigued in learning more about this "New Right."  Can you provide some names of its leading lights?

I'm guessing it would be somewhat analogous to the early neoconservative movement in the States, some of whose members were at one time "fellow travellers" (i.e., ardent leftiesshock! horror!).  (The prime example of this is the journal Commentary, which as far as I know started back in the 50s or so as a left-wing publication, and gradually drifted increasingly to the right as the years went by.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, I&#8217;d be intrigued in learning more about this &#8220;New Right.&#8221;  Can you provide some names of its leading lights?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing it would be somewhat analogous to the early neoconservative movement in the States, some of whose members were at one time &#8220;fellow travellers&#8221; (i.e., ardent leftiesshock! horror!).  (The prime example of this is the journal Commentary, which as far as I know started back in the 50s or so as a left-wing publication, and gradually drifted increasingly to the right as the years went by.)</p>
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