GI Korea and Jodi discuss James Hong’s op-d in the Korea Times on the Western fetishisation of Asian females and, well, “white guys and Asian girls.” Both the original op-ed and both bloggers provide some interesting food for thought for those with an interest in the issue. While we’re on the issue of inter-racial romance, I felt myself nodding in agreement with this blog post over at Battlepanda when I read last month:
Notice anything? Apart from Penny Lancaster’s cleavage? And no, I’m not simply trying to boost my traffic through underhanded means. I’m simply pointing out that these two men [Boris Becker and Rod Stewart], rich celebrities who could get any kind of women they want, chose partners who were eerily similar in appearance again and again. What this suggest to me is that there is some reptilian part of the human brain that locks onto one idea of what the perfect mate is like in a fashion that is resistant to change. We implicitly acknowledge this when we say something like, “he’s cute, but he’s not my type.”
One might have firmly set preferences for dating tall men, or redheads or philosophy majors with perky buttocks without risking censure. Yet when the preference crosses racial lines, it is apt to be labeled as a fetish. A white (or black) guy who have a clear preference for Asian females are likely to be looked upon with suspicion, especially if he has a history of only dating Asian women. Ditto for a white woman who dates black men. Meanwhile, Asian men who lust after blondes have their own hangups. It’s almost as if it’s considered somehow unnatural for a person to prefer partners of a race that is not their own, therefore it has got to be explained away. The individual who consistantly dates across racial lines is considered aberrant and possibly racist (”he must only like Asian women because he thinks they’re all submissive”) by everybody else. Yet if we truly live in a post-racial world without anxiety about miscegenation, why the hell should it signify anything if a person prefers to date partners of a particular race?
Also worth reading, IMHO, is this post on “mandating desire” over at Foreign Dispatches.
Of course, Asian men tired of seeing white guys with Asian women can always take take solace in this as some sort of twisted revenge, although in fairness to Pak Kyoung-nim, she’s looking a lot better nowadays. Wife thinks she’s had work done, though.
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Too much analysis. The fact is simple…money.
Korean men are going to VietNam to find brides. Is it imperialism? Do Koreans fantasize Vietnamese women being more submissive, weak, sexually exciting? Only in limited cases. The majority of Koreans go over there because women are available.
Women want security. In poor countries, they can barely eat. If you give them some food, they will do what you want. This is happening in Thailand, Vietnam, etc. Korea used to be like this. And, Japan after WWII.
However, is it right for a man to do this? I don’t know. If you go to some dirt poor country and a woman befriend you for your money, who is using whom?
These are difficult questions. No simple rules or laws. Every case has to look at individually and details such as sexual positions, frequency, the amount of money, other parties, promise of marriage, fidelity, etc have to be examined carefully to find out the wrong party.
As long as the man has a concept of honor and the woman truthfulness (these are very rare concepts these days), I think true love may advance in spite of the claims of exploitation.
Baduk, what are you talking about? You say that the fact is simple: money. Then go on to concede that Korea is no longer, by any standard measure, poor. No one can claim that Japan is poor either; so why do American men living in Japan find it not particularly difficult to find relationship partners? People just want novelty, adventure, something new, something they haven’t experienced before. It is entirely possible to go to Vietnam and meet a nice Vietnamese girl who actually likes you for who you are, but you have to acclimate to their culture, learn the language and custsoms, and become familiarized with their way of thinking.
Gee “Dan,” you think Daniel Hong’s plagiarism, uh, article was inflammatory? Then you write: “We?€™ve all met the dungeons and dragons-playing/math club member/computer geek/shy engineer/anime freaks who stalk asian girls on the internet and on school campuses across the nation. you can even meet some at your local asian church in the states.” And that’s pretty even-handed I’d say…. So what’s your agenda? Then you come up with: “In most cases in asia, the couple don?€™t even speak the same language well, let alone share the same culture. Yet modern psychologists believe that healthy human relationships are based on similarities, like both being Christian, or outdoorsy folk, or deadheads.” So I guess, to answer my own question, you are a racist and a social Darwinist….
I don’t know about Japan. But, the majority of Korean women dating foreign men are from the poor class; many of them date foreign men for “money”.
This is why Vietnamese men or Philippino men get no respect in Korea. Meanwhile, white men are perceived to have culture and money.
Money talks.
What data do you base your assertion that the majority of Korean women dating foreign men are from the lower class upon? The first girl I dated after I came here lived in Tower Palace in a multi-million dollar apartment; her father was a neurosurgeon.
And, about Vietnam.
Many of these girls want a ticket out of there. Dating a foreign man is a form of an escapism. They are poor and their lives are bleak. If they have foreign boyfriends, they can fantasize about not being in their “hellhole”.
Some of them come to Korea after marrying potbellied and bald Korean men. Did they succeed in escaping misery? You figure.
I’ve seen the Korean men who marry those Vietnamese, Cambodians, Chinese, Filippinos, Russians, etc etc. They are mostly bald, old (mostly over 40), poor, unattractive, abusive, alcoholic losers, live with their mothers on run down farms. There’s a good reason why Korean women don’t want to marry these guys and why these men have such a hard time finding wives that they have to go overseas to get married. These poor girls, most of them think they’re going to live in luxury in the city.. well when they get to their destinations in nowhere dong, aren’t they surprised? Most of these marriages are marriages of convenience.
Gee “MichaelMichael”, a little defensive are we?
How are those DD games going? j/k of course.
Your points:
1) My agenda??? What’s YOUR agenda? To rationalize an obsession with Asian girls?
2) Racist? Please… that’s a nice attempt at a strawman argument. I suppose it’s too much to ask for a coherent rebuttal. For the record, I’m no racist, and nothing in my post indicates that.
I think many WMs in relations with AFs, perhaps YOU, rely on power inequalities established by racist social structures.
3) Social Darwinist? Hardly…. however it never ceases to amaze me how many WM nerds/geeks/losers actively hunt Asian girls in the States. I daresay even most of the WM readership of this site will admit to this truth.
I agree with Baduk. From what I’ve seen a lot of these Korean men who take on Southeast Asian brides are from rural areas. I also think Korean women are becoming more liberal, many of them are spend time abroad and realize that Korean men don’t often compare well to foreign men in terms of equal rights.
I see so many Korean women just end up “settling” with a guy because she is damaged goods if she is over thirty and single. Korean society deems there must be something wrong with her if she hasn’t tied the knot by the age of thirty.
Am I stereotyping here if I say a lot of the pretty girls in Korea are a little slow shall we say?
Dan,
Good point. Hollywood!
Men and women still form their images of ideal mates from movies. This is how black people upgraded their image.
Send money to me. I will make movies like “Karate Kids” to boost oriental image till white chicks get brainwashed into thinking orientals are cool. Better than cool. Sizzling.
Once some chicks try yellow, other chicks will follow.
Social Darwinist? Hardly?€?. however it never ceases to amaze me how many WM nerds/geeks/losers actively hunt Asian girls in the States. I daresay even most of the WM readership of this site will admit to this truth.
Can’t speak for the States, as I haven’t lived there for over eight years, but I’ll be the first to admit I’ve seen my fair share of “interesting” couples here in Korea. At the same time, I prefer not to assume anything about the underlying nature of those relationships, especially since its none of my business why two (or more!) people get together.
There might be something to the idea in the post Marmot quoted from. It could be part of it. I’m married to a Korean. And, I can remember back in high school, where we had zero asian females and only 2 asian males, I always said my ideal body type for a female was long dark hair, full lips, tall, slender, and athletic. I don’t know why so many of the girls I dated were blondes over the years. I also dated a few red heads and strawberry blonds. That was my 2nd favorite type - probably because it was unusual — like dark hair in American society — and I also kept the same favorite type.
I didn’t choose Korea to teach in with that in mind. I researched teaching in places all over the world, and I was particularly interested in Morrocco at the time, but I focused on Japan and Korea because you could make money to send home there and then Korea in particular because it was standard for them to give airfare and housing….
I’m calling bullshit on “James Hong”. I think the whole thing was ghost-written by someone close to the Korea Times.
The whole piece is written in typical *native* Korean op/ed fashion. The first 95% are selective quotes and references to existing opinions and ideas, presented as unquestionable fact. The only actual opinion comes near the very end of the piece in the form of a passive-agressive indirect question. I think it was translated from the original Korean - no gyopo living in Seattle would write like that.
For an Asian-American perspective, check out:
http://www.bitterasianmen.com/
(and the hilarity ensues)
madomtask… you beat me to it.
I don?€™t know about Japan. But, the majority of Korean women dating foreign men are from the poor class; many of them date foreign men for ?€œmoney?€?.
Just where did you come up with this asinine bit of garbage?
I’ve found many Korean women who date foreigners are doing so because they are sick of being treated like crap from Korean guys. They want a guy that actually respects them and sees them as a human being and not just a maid/cook/sperm receptacle.
I just have to add, that the video is painfully hilarious
His first name is Daniel, not James, an American who was on the staff at the KT for a while. Also, as somebody on the KT Web site said, he completely lifted paragraph six of his article from the L.A. Times (shame, shame–although he’s hardly the first plagiarist at the KT). As for the rest of it, who are these disapproving racists, and why give a shit about them? Get a life!
The latter half of paragraph 5 is a straight word-for-word lift of the LA Times’ writer’s assessment of Prasso’s opinion of Madame Butterfly as well. This is not good….
The LA Times review is here:
http://www.calendarlive.com/bo.....bookreview
Mr. Hong is entitled to his opinionsalthough he doesn’t really add any insights of his own but simply repeats what Ms. Prasso and, er, the book reviewer wrotebut heck, doesn’t one risk losing a bit of credibility when shamelessly ripping off someone else’s writing?
Just for the record-I am not the James mentioned in this posting.
That said, I will get on my soap-box. What does it matter who marries whom? Obviously the men of European descent have a trait or quality that Asian women see as being attractive. The same thing is true for women of European descent that marry men of African descent. Why does this have to be an issue? It is interesting that the article that is linked makes the comparison of people who choose spouses from different ancestry to being gay (environment vs. nurture). While I am not going to even entertain the idea that I know why some people are gay and others are not, I will argue that people who marry people from other ethnic groups do so because on some level there is a physical attraction and they might connect on some emotional level or some other need is met through the relationship. I fail to see what is the issue. I do think that the way people describe their ethnic origin as speaking volumes about how they think about this. I very rarely discuss my ancestry because I don?€™t need to. I will never be less of a human being because of who my ancestors are or are not nor will anyone else. To introduce your self as half this or that just screams ignorance. People are people, not dogs to be discussed in terms of pure bred, mutt or mixed breed. If it is a cultural or linguistics aspect then lets discuss the differences in that way, if it is a national difference relating to the government systems that exist in a certain country than discuss it as such.
James:
Well put.
The amount of spew about interracial relationships is inversely proportional to the number of people actually in those relationships. Also I had to laugh when Hong says “the spirit of the imperialism and the missionary complex (must) disappear from the Western mind” while Korean media blathers on about the “Korean Wave” and Korean missionaries swarm around the Middle East looking for heathens to convert. This kind of “essay” always says more about the writer’s insecurity than it does about reality.
Daniel Hong’s piece came off as inflammatory. At the same time, I agreed with many of its points.
The following is da*n long, but try to suffer thru it and honestly think about its points.
It often boils down to this:
White men enjoy a ?€œhalo effect?€? due to western global domination in economics, entertainment, etc., derived from the lands and resources (which their ancestors stole from indigenous peoples). some then exploit this power in unequal relationships.
Consequently, the positions of asian females, asian-american females, and white men are radically different.
1) In asia:
Some women see Hollywood movies and the power of western nations. those countries come to represent more wealth, modernity, more ?€œspace?€? to simply live, and a less competitive environment, etc.
Rather than being attracted to the man himself, she is attracted to what he represents. Even if in reality, he is someone who would beat his wife, a drug user, and an overall degenerate. it is difficult to separate fiction from reality.
2) For some asian-american woman:
Often they are raised in white-dominated environments. That?€™s also all they?€™ve been exposed to in the media. Every main character in a book, ever politician, every model in a magazine, every movie star they?€™ve ever seen has been a white man.
I remember reading a study of this little black girl in a psychology text. She had been raised in an all-white environment. her teacher noticed that she would wash her hands over and over in school. The teacher asked her why she did that, and the child responded words to the effect that ?€œlighter skin was better?€?.
People like this don?€™t outgrow their self-hate; they internalize it as they grow older. For them dating a white man is a way of fitting in, of belonging, with their larger society. never underestimate the human desire to be ?€œpart of the group?€?. People are social pack animals.
3) For loser white men who obsess over asian girls:
It?€™s an easy way to get a woman, who in a perfectly equal world, would be far out of their league.
We?€™ve all met the dungeons and dragons-playing/math club member/computer geek/shy engineer/anime freaks who stalk asian girls on the internet and on school campuses across the nation. you can even meet some at your local asian church in the states.
They?€™ve accepted their loser status in their own society; they have no choice.
But instinctively, they understand they have a better chance in a less-powerful society, where not who they are, but what they represent, becomes the defining factor.
They can utilize the ?€œhalo effect?€?, which doesn?€™t work on white girls (because they?€™re white themselves and will see him for who he is), to get girls who fantasize about the west or about fitting in with larger american society.
For the truly f*cked up among those guys, they don’t have the ability to relate to women as real individuals, and asian females represent a “safe object” for them to approach.
More extreme examples of relationships characterized by unequal societal power would be a 14 year-old girl willingly dating a 35 year-old man;
Or a girl from a poor country (like some in se asia or eastern europe) willingly traveling as a mail-order bride to a more developed nation.
Think about this:
In most cases in asia, the couple don’t even speak the same language well, let alone share the same culture. Yet modern psychologists believe that healthy human relationships are based on similarities, like both being Christian, or outdoorsy folk, or deadheads.
What do such pairs have in common? typically they lack even the ability to carry on a proper conversation, let alone find out whether they agree that beethoven is superior to mozart.
Yes, there are exceptions to the rule and i?€™m not against interracial relationships per se, just against those that are based on power inequalities, fetishes, stereotypes, and self-hatred.
The “defensive” bit is expected and amusing–you don’t know the slightest thing about me, and you’re grasping at straws. I would just agree with what Mr. Marmot said about not assuming anything about people’s relationships because as he said, it’s none of my business. That’s what adults do, Dan, and maybe one day you’ll grow up and relieve yourself of what’s obviously your own obessession, which caused you to go on at great length reciting a litany of stereotypes that you would be greatly offended by if we replaced “WM” with “Asian male.” I will indulge in one stereotype, though: Asian guys in the States with a chip on their shoulder who parrot what their sociology profs say (”power inequalities established by racist social structures”) –what’s up with that?
Dan,
Undoubtedly some of what you have posted is bound to apply to some people in multi-cultural relationships. I, like the Marmot, have seen some pretty interesting matches during my time in Korea. One that stands out, the man was a US soldier and the woman was a Korean national. In talking to them for a while about their situation it came out that the girl was from Wan-do at the very end of Korea. She could neither read nor write Korean and her English was super limited at best. The man, could not speak but a few words of Korean and yet here they were married and in love. How they came to meet and marry, I did not ask and while it is clear that they face challenges that other couples might not face, they seemed to make things work on some level. What ever their motivations for getting together it is not my place to judge. That said, I do not think that couple is representative of multi-cultural couples. Many women that I know or have met that are in this type of relationship are college educated and pretty bright. I think you read too much into the whole the world as cast by Hollywood scenario. With the exception of mail-order brides, I think it is safe to say that the vast majority of people that are in these relationships had more than a fair chance to get to know their significant other before they made their decision to marry. As for people that marry A-holes that take drugs, beat their wives or cheat on them, we all make mistakes. Some people have issues with abuse, abandonment and substance abuse that profoundly predisposition these people to make these bad choices but again, this is nothing that multi-cultural couples have a monopoly on by a long shot. Why does one group deserve more understanding than another? Look around, there is no shortage of people from the same cultural and ethnic background that are in abusive relationships. As for Asian American women, perhaps you have not spent any time on an Ivy League campus for if you had, you would see that this is one group that is far from underrepresented. I am not claiming that all Asian American women are Ivy League educated or even college educated. I am saying that they do not need a husband or anyone else to ?€?fit in?€™ to society. Before anyone claims that I am too defensive and have some sort of agenda or that I am one of these looser men referred to earlier I would like to reiterate that no one should be asked to defend the selection of their spouse to anyone. Anyone from the US or anywhere else that has a decent education and is reasonably ?€?normal?€™ well adjusted should have no reason to question who others date and marry unless they have issues of their own.
Again well put.
?€œMikeyMikey?€?:
Glad to amuse you, yet you still fail to come up with a REBUTTAL.
It?€™s weak to rely on name-calling to make your point, e.g. racist, Social Darwinist, Asian guy with a chip on his shoulder.
Though you?€™re quite right in that I know nothing about you, nor do I wish to. But I do like the attempt to intimate that you?€™re more than what you may seem to be over the Internet.
?€œJames?€?:
You seem like a reasonable man, and I respect the sentiments in your post.
Let?€™s just agree that it?€™s not fair to judge an individual couple. There are always exceptions to the rule. But general trends can be pointed out. That is, after all, one of the main premises underlying statistics.
I will address your following point:
?€œAs for Asian American women, perhaps you have not spent any time on an Ivy League campus for if you had, you would see that this is one group that is far from underrepresented. I am not claiming that all Asian American women are Ivy League educated or even college educated. I am saying that they do not need a husband or anyone else to ?€?fit in?€™ to society.?€?
You?€™re drawing an incorrect correlation here. I was not equating ?€œfitting in to society?€? with ?€œeconomic success?€?, but with ?€œsocial acceptance?€?.
Lastly, I am in fact an ivy league graduate, currently attending a professional ivy league graduate school. accept that or not.
I like the added “professional” in front of ivy league. You should add a “well-being” as well, e.g. “a professional ivy league well-being graduate.”
you liked that, huh? yeah, i thought it was a nice touch too.
The truth of the matter is Dan, you’re just spouting nonsense. It’s not like you have any data. You make sweeping generalizations about certain sets of humans with nothing other than your personal observations to back it up. When I was in Univeristy, several white females I knew dated African Americans. Two of the men were drug dealers, who drove flashy cars, and had dropped out of university. I cannot go around talking about how white women who date African American men are chasing monster cock, are after flashy cars, want to score free drugs, etc. Basing your opinions on personal observation conducted simply in the course of your existence is racism.
Statistics takes trends observed and extrapolates that to argue that the population has the same characteristics. This only works, however, if the sample is large enough and is representative of the greater population and even then, there is a margin for error. Certainly you would agree that one person?€™s observations are not the same as accurate sampling for a statistical analysis. Much of what I post is based on my personal observations and I don?€™t think I take too much liberty in supposing that your comments so far are similarly based. I would never claim that my observations represent anything more than just one person?€™s experiences. If you have access to a credible statistical analysis, I would be very interested in seeing it.
As for Asian American women, you fail to define what an Asian American is, let alone social acceptance they might enjoy in presumably US society and the role a European American husband might play in improving said social acceptance. This is important because if you are referring to women of Asian descent that were adopted into non-Asian families and raised in that culture system, that is completely different from women that were born in America and raised by their biological parents. It is well documented that a certain percentage of adopted children have issues with among other things, abandonment regardless of how they were raised or their physical appearance leading many to wonder why they were given up for adoption and others to search for their biological parents. Perhaps you would like to clarify what you meant?
As for your example of the 35 year old man dating the 14 year old girl, regardless of culture, that is illegal in North America, Europe and hopefully many other places.
You know, you’re absolutely right. The fact that I was born and raised an Asian-American, have many Asian and Asian-American female relatives and friends, just don’t mean sh*t.
The FACT of the matter is that I can speak to the Asian-American experience FAR more than YOU. And likely the Asian experience as well, having lived in both Japan (3 years) and Korea (5 years) and being a fluent speaker in the latter’s language.
Do you realize how your previous statement sounds? Do you go around telling African-American men that they imagine the racism they experience? My guess is…. no.
Don’t try to minimize my knowledge. I’m not basing my “opinions” on 1 or 2 encounters in college, but on a lifetime spent as an Asian-American, and on discussions and friendships with numerous Asian-American females and males.
Well now, I guess I’d better go cool off. I also need to go to sleep, for my summer internship. But I will return to address any further points raised.
Lastly, my apologies “Marmot”, for contributing to this thread becoming obscenely long.
the above post was in response to “KrZ”’s. didn’t see James’ in time.
i will address it tomorrow when i get off work. ciao.
Daniel Hong?€™s piece came off as inflammatory. At the same time, I agreed with many of its points.
The following is da*n long, but try to suffer through it and honestly think about its points.
It often boils down to this:
Asian men enjoy a ?€œhalo effect?€? due to Asian-Block global domination in technology, robotics, etc., derived from their staggering intellectual prowess (which their ancestors stole from Europeans). some then exploit this power in unequal relationships.
Consequently, the positions of asian females, asian-american females, and white men are radically different.
1) In America:
Some women see Japanese movies and the power of the Asian Superpowers. those countries come to represent more wealth, modernity, and a more competitive and exciting environment, etc.
Rather than being attracted to the man himself, she is attracted to what he represents. Even if in reality, he is someone who would beat his wife, a gambler, and an overall degenerate. it is difficult to separate fiction from reality.
2) For some asian women:
Often they are raised in asian-male-dominated environments. That?€™s also all they?€™ve been exposed to in the media. Every main character in a book, ever politician, every model in a magazine, every movie star they?€™ve ever seen has been an asian man.
I remember reading a study of this little white girl in a psychology text. She had been raised in an all-balck environment. her teacher noticed that she would sit in the sun for hours. The teacher asked her why she did that, and the child responded words to the effect that “darker skin was better?€?.
People like this don?€™t outgrow their self-hate; they internalize it as they grow older. For them dating is a way of fitting in, of belonging, with their larger society. never underestimate the human desire to be ?€œpart of the group?€?. People are social pack animals.
3) For loser Korean men who obsess over Russian girls:
It?€™s an easy way to get a woman, who in a perfectly equal world, would be far out of their league.
We?€™ve all met the starcraft-playing/math club member/computer geek/shy engineer freaks who stalk Russian girls on the internet and on school campuses across the nation. you can even meet some at your local foreign church in Korea.
They?€™ve accepted their loser status in their own society; they have no choice.
But instinctively, they understand they have a better chance in a less-powerful society, where not who they are, but what they represent, becomes the defining factor.
They can utilize the ?€œhalo effect?€?, which doesn?€™t work on Korean girls (because they?€™re Korean themselves and will see him for who he is), to get girls who fantasize about the east or about fitting in with larger Korean society.
For the truly f*cked up among those guys, they don?€™t have the ability to relate to women as real individuals, and Russian females represent a ?€œsafe object?€? for them to approach.
More extreme examples of relationships characterized by unequal societal power would be a 14 year-old girl willingly dating a 35 year-old man;
Or a girl from a poor country (like some mexico or puerto rico) willingly traveling as a mail-order bride to a more developed nation.
Think about this:
In most relationships, the two members didn’t major in the same subjects or work in the same field, as such, the husband can’t really talk about his genomics research with his English major wife. Yet modern psychologists believe that healthy human relationships are based on similarities, like both being alcoholics, or furries, or racists.
What do such pairs have in common? typically they lack even the ability to carry on a proper conversation, let alone find out whether they agree that Einstein is superior to Feynman.
Yes, there are exceptions to the rule and i?€™m not against niggers per se, just against those that are based on power inequalities, fetishes, stereotypes, and self-hatred.
“Yes, there are exceptions to the rule and i?€™m not against interracial relationships per se, just against those that are based on power inequalities, fetishes, stereotypes, and self-hatred.”
So who is going to be the judge of whether a relationship falls into any of these categories? Just like poor James Hong, please don’t get suckered by all the feminist, leftist crap spouted by Prasso.
As a white male very happily married to a wonderful Korean woman and with two half-breed children as well, I have to laugh when I hear such comments and rationalizations (and I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone thinks of us). I’m not maligning the experiences of asians in western countries, cause i’m sure many of them have a difficult time, but this kind of mumbo-jumbo victimhood doesn’t do anyone a damn bit of good.
Screw the victimology of the left and get out there and check out whatever girl (or guy) that takes your fancy.
Dan,
You are assuming facts not necessarily in evidence and when ever this is done the net outcome tends to be that you make yourself appear less than articulate. You still have not defined what social acceptance is, let alone what role a European American spouse would play in improving said acceptance. Furthermore, your use of your own ethnic background fails to qualify as proof on any level that multi-cultural couples have as a group any characteristic you have claimed they do. Not only that but it might be construed to indicate that you have had a bad personal experience such as, perhaps, loosing an Asian American girlfriend to a European American man. I am NOT claiming that racism does not exist. Sadly, it is alive and well and I am not claiming that you have not experienced it; that would be irresponsible of me to make such a baseless assumption. I am saying you have not put together a reasonable argument in defense of the premises you stated earlier. This is an interesting topic and I would like, as I am sure many of the readers here, to learn more about it. Baseless claims and personal attacks contribute nothing to accomplishing this.
Last of all, as an Asian, presumably Korean American you claim that you have had significant life experiences which others who are not Korean American cannot experience giving you unique insight into this topic. I will not argue that is not the case. I am not Asian American and therefore cannot and do not presume to know what it is like to live as one. That fact, however, does not mean that your observations of the world fit all people or even a majority. Not that I need to defend myself but suffice it to say that I am not entirely ignorant about Korea or things Korean.
Dan’s churlishness notwithstanding, I was aware while I was in the States of Asian guys with legitimate complaints about discrimination, but the issue is not the sort of cartoon he’s reduced it to. For example, in California some descendants of Japanese immigrants have been fretting about having assimilated too much, while some Koreans after the 1992 L.A. riots were thinking they had better assimilate more. The majority of Americans are Westerners, so for a mongrel like me it’s a nonissue, but I understand where 2nd or 3rd generation Asian Americans might have conflicts. But like Snow said, screw the victimology–if you live in the States you simply have to deal.
Snow, KrZ-Touch??
I jumped ahead of reading the responses, so I imagine some of this has already been written as reply to Dan…
“Rather than being attracted to the man himself, she is attracted to what he represents. Even if in reality, he is someone who would beat his wife, a drug user, and an overall degenerate. it is difficult to separate fiction from reality.”
This is a nugget from the black pearl of crap higher education in the US “enlightens” us into making.
Everybody is a syndrom or symbol. Who the fuck are academics to tell a person that “rather than being attracted to the man himself” they are doing so because of the white male dominate culture……or anything else?
I’m not specifically attacking Dan here, I’m jumping on one of my soap-boxes which has a good bit of loathing for the bullshit that makes higher education float.
The intellectual circle likes to write things in the ballpark of Dan’s comments as a way to pat themselves on the back for being so liberating and egalitarian and broadminded, but at the very root, they have a contempt for individuals they see themselves as liberating, and their program has at heart, though not spoken and usually not even realized, of emasculating the individual.
Asian women have no minds. They are tools of the dominating “factors” around them. They can’t help going for the white bastards. The white bastards and other “forces” set the world up that way.
And the white bastards aren’t really in love with any of the women they marry. It is part of an ingrained culture of social domination — along the lines of the Japanese colonizing Korea in part by making them take Japanese names……but wait, Japan was an Asian society, not why? What can we do? Oh. They got the disease from the whites!! It was the importantion of social darwanism that caused it! That works!!
And a flip side of my contempt is to look at how academia runs its own world. Take a look around the top colleges and where the faculty graduated from — the same top colleges. How do you get into a “good” school? Knowing somebody helps. But scores are the key. GPAs and GREs. And what do profs spend their careers doing? (In part) weeding people out. Everybody isn’t good enough to get an A, right. It doesn’t make sense giving scholarships to the lowest grade, does it? And so on. I’m not saying what they do is unnecessary or necessary. I simply point out that the great liberators have as a crucial part of their career — cutting people out…..
And I’ve seen departments in several parts of the US (and abroad) and nothing I’ve seen their leads me to believe if the acadmeics were given the keys to running the world as they see fit, we’d be any better off, indeed!!
Dan is just a symptom of the problem. He just makes it worse, making it a pseudo-intellectual mess with stuff like “3) For loser white men who obsess over asian girls:
It?€™s an easy way to get a woman, who in a perfectly equal world, would be far out of their league.
We?€™ve all met the dungeons and dragons-playing/math club member/computer geek/shy engineer/anime freaks who stalk asian girls on the internet and on school campuses across the nation. you can even meet some at your local asian church in the states.”
Pitiful.
But I’m not going to waste my time on that…
I want to conclude simply — by stating I’m fed up with the liberating mass of academia constructing a discourse in which I(an individual) am a powerless tool with no free will —- tired of being emasculated as part of some misguided effort to give me power.
Thankfully, besides having to listen to tools like Dan, their net effect on most individuals is neglegible….
poor losers like Nicholas Cage will not know any better when they are out enjoying time spent with a partner that falls outside his ethic group.
Neither one of them will know just how pitiful they are and how badly they need to listen to Dan to set themselves straight……….
“2) Racist? Please?€? that?€™s a nice attempt at a strawman argument. I suppose it?€™s too much to ask for a coherent rebuttal. For the record, I?€™m no racist, and nothing in my post indicates that.”
No. Dan’s not a racist. He’s Tony Soproano. Nothing racist about it. Dan’s just laying it like Tony when he explained to the half black/half jewish guy why he didn’t want a black dating his daughter. See. She’s Italian. And its better if we stick to our own….
“Let?€™s just agree that it?€™s not fair to judge an individual couple. There are always exceptions to the rule. But general trends can be pointed out. That is, after all, one of the main premises underlying statistics.”
I’d like to see you back up the loser white male in American society having to go for Asian chicks because it is the only ethnic demographic they have a “good chance” of getting — with some stats…..
I refreshing image…
As I was reading in full the rest of the posts on this topic after Dan got it going, memories of a Spike Lee film made me feel better.
In Jungle Fever, you get a mix of disturbing view points on interracial coupling that can leave you scratching your head and wondering what Spike Lee’s ultimate point was in the movie or if he was trying to define how he feels on the topic….
but, if you watch the movie closely, as the main characters are busy hashing out some troubling ideas about the topic…
…if you’ll notice, there are a lot of fill-in characters, in walking in the streets, sitting at other tables in the restaurants, and other places in the background of scenes…….
and these fill in characters are mixed couples. There are a lot of them. You run into mixed race couples in the scenes of Spike Lee’s film than you do in real life — and if you watch the movie again, look at how many of them are smiling and laughing and have their arms around each other and so on —
in the same scenes the main characters are being confronted for being a mixed couple or fighting with each other about the negatives of being in such a couple….
That is what I meant when I wrote about poor loser white boy Nichols Cage and his Korean girl being blistfully ignorant of how they need to be enlightened by Dan’s type and the support he does have in intellectual circles in higher education….
The reality of the lives of the individuals is not significantly disturbed by fops like Dan or the volumes written by academia….
Gawd damn book learnin’
The Asian male speaks, the Honkey tide replies. Irrespective of the quality of the orginal arguement about the troubles of Asian men in Western society, it stilll nonetheless remains true. It is difficult to quantify, but Asian women have a much easier time assimilating into immigrant societies than men do. Assimilation is not a simple linear route from immigrant to the mainstream but rather a reciprocal relationship. While women are generally quicker to assimlate and adapt, males have a much harder time. In part due to the fact that societies are more themselves slow in accepting male immigrants due to the potential sexual and economic threat they represent.
Does assimilation neccessarily mean that Asian women will purposefully reject the Asian male for something more mainstream? The answer is surprisingly yes. It’s an observable phenomenon among immigrant societies that many will reject as a habit many perceived traditions to appear more in line with traditional society. I’ve read an interesting essay which described the relationship between New York Jews and Chinese food as a phenomenon of this. Chinese food for the Jews was something exotic, new, cosmopolitan, and most importantly of all un-kosher but not threateningly so. (see the bounty of Asian Women + white men vs the dearth of Asian women + black men). Eating Chinese food was a deliberate manifestation of a willing embrace to accept mainstream American society around them at the expense of their roots. For the Jews, it may have been something as innocuous as food, but for Asians it involves something as paramount as reproduction.
Where does this leave the Asian man? Incredibly frustrated. He is at the top of the socio-economic ladder, superior to the white man(you heard right) in all quantifiable terms such as income, education, stability, etc. Yet remains at the bottom of the reproductive gene pool for no reason other than race. More than simple frustration this galls. I can’t say I was surprised by the overwhelmingly defensive response by white men in Asia dating Asian women, but then none of you have experienced the reciprocal situation where your reproductive outlook is already severly disadvantaged from the outset.
Being from the angry white male section, I guess my thoughts don’t mean much, but I wonder how some of you can fit into your viewpoint the fact that an Italian accent in the US seems to bump you up a good bit in dating prospects? Or French? Or perhaps to a lesser extent British?
Or why my American accent while studying in France was not a bad tool for grabbing initial interest on campus or around town?
“Well you see, white people….well uh, you see non-whites have to….well…..let me work on it.”
My good friend Brian back home is a Korean-American. He was a serious player, this dude was crazy about blonde chicks with large breasts. He was always with one or another model-hot blondie. His parents were always on him to date Korean girls, always trying to set him up, but the guy wouldn’t go for it. My other friend Sean, also a Korean-American, was a serious poon hound as well; but he didn’t discrimnate like Brian, he would go for something hot no matter what the race. I knew this guy Rudy in University, he came to the US from Korea for Univeristy. He couldn’t score to save his life. The guy was cool as hell, rich, and intelligent, but he just had no game. Your “reproductive outlook” has nothing to do with your race in the US, it has everything to do with YOU. Brian and Sean were really quick witted, they always made you laugh, and the women they dated loved that. They also wore nice clothes and drove nice cars. Unless you’re in a very rural part of America, you are not going to face any obstacles in meeting women, regardless of your race.
Jing, you’re talking about being “superior to the white man”, what’s up with that? We live in a rainbow of diversity, you need to stop thinking in terms of race and start thinking in terms of people.
I don’t see superiority as being quantifiable.
Jing, you?€™re talking about being ?€œsuperior to the white man?€?, what?€™s up with that? We live in a rainbow of diversity, you need to stop thinking in terms of race and start thinking in terms of people.
Jing was referring to, as he said, quantifiable terms such as average income. And he may be right, although I haven’t seen the figures. Yes, we live in a rainbow of diversity, but sociological trends — and the questions they pose — do merit consideration.
Sorry to sound vague there.
Dan: Lastly, my apologies “Marmot”, for contributing to this thread becoming obscenely long.
No need to apologize. Thanks for contributing some great comments to the discussion.
“Any crossing of two beings not at exactly the same level produces a medium between the level of the two parents. This means: the offspring will probably stand higher than the racially lower parent, but not as high as the higher one. Consequently, it will later succumb in the struggle against the higher level. Such mating is contrary to the will of Nature for a higher breeding of all life. The precondition for this does not lie in associating superior and inferior, but in the total victory of the former. The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he after all is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development of organic living beings would be unthinkable.”
Good examples KrZ. I have a Korean-Canadian friend who is not a handsome guy, but he certainly scored himself a gorgeous wife. And though I’m sure it isn’t easy for some Asian guys to get dates, that’s the same for some western guys. So why don’t these lonely Asian guys get over to Asia or Russia and find something for themselves?
Maybe people like Dan have a point in that racism is a factor, but like I said before, throw that victimology crap out the window and go get yourself your own girl. Just don’t whine about it, and most important, don’t give up.
just checking in before work. wow, these posts have touched a nerve. shouldn’t have been surprised with the main readership of this blog likely being WMs in relations with AFs, or trying to.
Well, I don’t have much time, so will be succinct in this post and reply to each poster in order:
1) KRZ:
Your attempt to label me as a racist is laughable and weak. In your post#35, you substitute ethnicities in my original post, BUT there is nothing racist in my statement, and thus your intended effect is NOT achieved.
Perhaps you relized that which is way you then resort to the use of racial slurs, e.g. “n*gger”, and other inflammatory language.
In your post#50, I assume you’re quoting from Mein Kempf (sp?). Again, LAUGHABLE. If you can’t win the argument logically, resort to name-calling.
Point out ONE comment of mine that refers to genetic, or otherwise inherent, superiority of a race.
Don’t try to claim the moral high ground here. I’m the one arguing against racism, i.e. relationships derived from inequalities.
2) JAMES:
Have a little patience. I told you I needed to go to sleep. A little reading comprehension on your part would be most helpful.
You mischaracterize my argument considerably. And personal experience based on one’s life is the basic way of discussing this topic. Again, I assume you wouldn’t tell a Black man that he is imagining racism. How else are we to talk about the issues? Has there been a Reuters poll?
You are attempting to reduce the issue to a purely numerical basis in an effort to discredit. Well, geez son, give the social scientists some more time. Perhaps I should recruit some BMs from an African-American site to come over and provide their insights?
Lastly, you resort to “personal attacks” yourself; implying that I lost an AF to a WM.
Actually the opposite is true, but there’s no need to go into how I once pointed out to an attractive Japanese international student that the WM she was dating was a complete loser (i.e., bespectacled engineer with poor social skills) who most WFs wouldn’t touch. You’d be amazed how quickly they’ll drop a guy once their eyes are opened
4) JAMES:
There’s nothing really argumentative in your post to reply to.
5) USINKOREA:
You posted long replies which I have little time to reply to; (please wait until I get off work- that’s Eastern time - United States.)
I will say now that you ramble on considerable and do not address the points in question. Where do I say AFs have “no minds”?
ALL people are affected by mass media and other social institutions. And your rant on liberalism/feminism? Like I said, we’ll touch on that when I have more time tonight.
Your comment on European accents is RIDICULOUS. There’s a difference between the social standings of the British and the Koreans in the U.S.
6) SNOW:
I actually like some of your posts. I think you’re a well-meaning guy, but a bit misinformed. Again, I will address your issues later tonight.
LASTLY, I will leave you with the infamous CHARISMA MAN. A series of recent cartoons depicting SOME, not all, WMs in Japan. I hasten to add, the cartoons were created by western ex-pats living in Japan.
LINK:
http://karatethejapaneseway.co.....a_man.html
Read and enjoy.
Dan wrote:
“Actually the opposite is true, but there?€™s no need to go into how I once pointed out to an attractive Japanese international student that the WM she was dating was a complete loser (i.e., bespectacled engineer with poor social skills) who most WFs wouldn?€™t touch. You?€™d be amazed how quickly they?€™ll drop a guy once their eyes are opened.”
Dan, with all due respect, it sounds like you were just making a move on her! I suppose you did him a favour, since if she was superficial enough to dump him once she realized he was a “complete loser (i.e., a bespectacled engineer with poor social skills),” the relationship would have fallen apart sooner or later. But still….
Okay, I’ll lay it on the line. I’m a white male who grew up in a predominantly white environment. But I can see with my own eyes that racism exists, even here in multicultural Canada (disregard the flag in my sig). Yes, as KrZ pointed out, I’m sure there are some North American Asian males who are successful “players,” but in the dating game, my impression is that many Asian males are at somewhat of an unfair disadvantage.
As I said early on in this thread, I for one would be quite happy to see more relationships go the other way, between Asian men and Caucasian women. For what it’s worth, my own sister is an exemplar in this area, as all her boyfriends have been either Chinese or Japanese! (I just hope she settles down with one soon….)
As for the article, the book review it was partially based on and the original book, painting all interracial relationships between Asian women and Caucasian men as unequal power relationships is, well, just plain racist. It is equally insulting to both Asian women and Caucasian men.
three things.
first. when i was underage, i thought asian fetish was god’s gift to me. i put up with long rambling speeches about how asian girls “felt so good” (slightly bowdlerized version), or how korean women made the best wives, in order to get the vodka-and-whatever i couldn’t buy on my own. when i grew up, i got a bit tired of being put on a pedestal like a dog at show, korean girls are like this, chinese girls are like that, filipino girls are like this.
anecdote does not equal proof. that said i think people can be forgiven for feeling that many similar anecdotes all piled up can be considered as evidence. though you or you or you may not have any ridiculous conceptions about asian women, plenty of people do.
second. mandating desire is pretty silly. i’m always ribbing my friend for judging me as lame when he first met me in the presence of my skinny white male roommate. (he assumed we were dating). i certainly don’t feel like asian men have any kind of exclusive rights over me or asian women in general (like all those korean men het up about english teachers sleeping with “their” women.) BUT. some of these cries for colorblindness strike me as a little bit disingenuous/naive. race doesn’t matter because hyper-sensitive minorities keep on moaning about it. race matters because it shapes how people think/act towards you. any individual black man dating a white woman is love, but the sheer number of highly successful black men married to white women points to something else. (interesting article at isteve.com on interracial marriage stats though i can’t vouch for the contents). individual preference intersects with social structure crossed with hollywood.
third. i think GI Korea missed the point about asian american anchors. yes, there are a lot of asian american women on tv! (and not surprisingly, many from hawaii). but there aren’t so many asian american male anchors. point taken about some asian men thinking the worst of their “sisters” though.
Stop the train! Since when were all engineers losers/geeks? What field is Dan in? Engineers make the world go round.
James:
It’s not about whether you “can hear the voices”. It’s about whether there are significant numbers to force the government to act. This istrue not only in Asia, but in the U.S. as well.
Well, that’s an interesting site. never seen it. but I do wonder how you happened upon it? Were you conducting an Internet search for something?
Here’s a more interesting site for you:
http://www.stormfront.org
The above post was directed to MichaelMichael.
Here?€™s a more interesting site for you:
http://www.stormfront.org
Dan, the posters on stormfront seem to agree with your position on interacial dating. If that was an oblique attempt to use the race card, then it backfired.
Wrong again chief.
Again, you miscontrue my argument.
Let me reiterate.
Asiaphilia =/ Interracial relationships.
Is it a defense mechanism? Do you seek to cloak your behavior in the normal world of interracial relations?
You do understand these are 2 distinct concepts, right?
Hey, everyone here who is White or part White can apply for the 2005 Stormfront White Nationalist Scholarship Competition. You don’t have to mean what you say… just like other scholarship competitions!
Shakuhachi,
Is that Gravatar from an existing comic/anime, or did someone you know (or yourself) draw you as an anime character? I love the Simpsons, and one of my more artistic acquaintances drew me as a Simpsons character on an Easter egg. Kinda cool. If I can find it, I might change my Gravatar pic.
I wrote: “As I said early on in this thread….”
Sorry, I meant on a similar thread on another blog.
KrZ:
Damn straight. Most of the engineers I saw on my campus looked like jocks to bootthey just happened to differential equations a bit too much.
Dan:
You wrote, “What do such pairs have in common? typically they lack even the ability to carry on a proper conversation, let alone find out whether they agree that beethoven is superior to mozart.”
Classical composers are definitely a source of misunderstanding for my wife and me. She prefers Beethoven’s 7th symphony (Lord knows why), while I prefer the Pastorale. She’s big on Schubert too, and while I like him, I go in more for the modernist-nostalgic composers, like Copland, Vaughan Williams, and Respighi.
…And neither of us is big on Mozart. His music was too technical and lacking passion.
Dan,
Look in a dictionary-Asiaphile only means someone who likes Asia or things Asian, nothing more. You continue to insist that myself and others here are discussing topics unrelated to the original posting and that we keep missing the point. At some point one has to ask, why would that be? Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps it may be that you have yet to effectively articulate a point. Why don?€™t you try with out resorting to name calling or any other maliciousness. What is the point you want to make? The original posting was on cross-ethnic relationships and is titled ?€œwhite guys and Asian girls?€?. Nowhere does it say anything about Asianphiles. If you can dig up a definition other than the one I provided, I would be very interested to see it.
Lastly, son, sad as this may sound, I have no doubts whatsoever that not only do I do better with minority women, but also with White women, than you.
How about a type of indirect, pissing contest? Let?€™s both email verifiable digital photos of ourselves to the Marmot, whom I sure we can both trust to be impartial, if he agrees.
I am not interested in a ‘pissing contest’ with you. I dont care what you look like - your personality stinks. Maybe this is the problem with you, judging people based on the surface, rather than what is inside. Most of the people on Marmots have seen my photo’s, by the way.
If you do well with ‘minority women’ and white women, then why is this an issue for you? Dan doth protest too much.
You seem to be filled with fear. Interacial dating and even general racial preferences of individuals are here to stay. Get used to it.
James:
1) Do you understand the meaning of “connotation”?
Allow me to help you:
The foremost dictionary of slang on the internet is
http://www.urbandictionary.com
The Asiaphile definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....=asiaphile
2) The original post was entitled “White guys and Asian girls”, but concerned Daniel Hong’s op-ed piece on Asiaphilia.
Also, MY original post, which has inspired all your responses, also dealth with the topic of Asiaphiles. That has been the focus of this discussion.
Dan,
I was not the one who brought up statistics, it was clearly you who brought it up in post #28. For that matter, I have never even implied that racism does not exist. Quite the opposite, in post #37 I very clearly indicate my belief that it is ?€œalive and well?€?. It appears that it is you that is in need of some reading comprehension.
You are basing your statements on your experiences and that is great, I am sure there are many of us who would love to learn more about what specific difficulties you have experienced growing up Asian American but that does not mean that your experiences are definitive or representative of the whole population as you claim them to be. I am not trying to reduce things to a numerical basis just to weaken your argument, but rather to discuss this matter in a more informed manner. I too speak Korean fluently and have lived in Korea longer than you. Does that make my opinions any more valid? I hope not. Clearly we have had different experiences leading us to formulate different opinions on this subject.
I refuse to refuse to it as race-lets call it ethnicity, the only race any of us belong to is the human one. I have spent years working with the Korean company I work for dealing with their Korean expatriates. What I have found is that the wife and family of the expatriate are statistically no more likely to cause problems when it comes to repatriation than for any other ethnic group. Asian women do tend, it would seem to be able to adapt to life in the US or Europe a little faster and perhaps to a fuller extent than Asian men. When it comes to some Asian women having a preference for other than Asian men, I believe this is due more to culture than anything else. Koreans having to fit into a Korean marriage are then expected to entertain the husbands friends, act a certain way towards the grooms family and behave a certain way at home. It is not hard to imagine that this is not the ideal married life that all Korean women have in mind, perhaps in Korea but not so if they are not living in Korea. For a Korean woman to marry a non-Korean Asian can be problematic given the nationalistic prejudices that some Koreans have towards people from China, Japan or South East Asia. If, however, a woman marries a European American they know they will not have to act according to the roles set forth by the Korean culture and will probably work jointly with her husband to define those roles. My European American sister dated a Korean American guy for a number of years while she was studying Economics at the University of Chicago a number of years ago. She eventually broke off the relationship because she did not care for his drinking habits and he refused to compromise. He was a nice guy, pretty smart and sociable, the two were just not compatible but not because of ethnicity. For those out there that still claim race shapes who you are and how you see the world, I have yet to see any sort of coherent argument presented here that effectively illustrates that. I would contrastingly argue that culture, the one you live in and the one you have at home and your role in that (those) culture(s) does play a very critical role in who you are and how you see the world but not race-excuse me-ethnicity. All of the many Asian men I know, both Korean American and Koreans that came to the US to study had no problem getting women and certainly did not feel threatened by European American males as competitors. I firmly believe that people are and should be free to choose their spouses with out having to defend or qualify that choice to anyone. Yes people make bad choices but there are no ethnicities that have a monopoly on that. Furthermore, just because someone chooses a spouse from a different ethnic group does not by default detract from that persons right to pursue life, liberty and happiness, much less make him/her a looser.
Also, MY original post, which has inspired all your responses, also dealth with the topic of Asiaphiles. That has been the focus of this discussion.
You havent explained why being an Asiaphile is ‘wrong’. If a guy woke up one day and had the epiphany that he was an Asiaphile, would he suddenly become a bad guy, the scum of the earth? Why does it matter to you if a guy prefers Asian women? Also, how do you propose to ‘deal’ with these wicked Asiaphiles, if you had the power to do so?
Let me make a few points if I may:
1) Us engineers are a lot smarter than you business and liberal arts majors and if a female knows best she’ll opt for the former to combine DNA with.
2) Any male who is foreign in any country has an advantage over the locals. I’ve seen it in the U.S. plenty of times. More power to the guy who takes advantage of his “exotic” accent. Any male in a foreign country who bitches about how his “otherness” is holding him back has bought into the victimhood crap preached at U.S. universities and by the left in general. Get over it and spread your seed.
3) Asian females can be just as ball-breaking as their Caucasian counterparts, if not more so. However, they are better at maintaining face on the surface all around to keep things harmonious. Caucasian females seem to feel the need to be public in their humiliation (I know, gross overgeneralization with no data - but simply what I’ve seen). This is why native (and I do mean native) Asian females are superior.
Heh heh, judging by your gravatar (where have I seen you before?), you are a “bespectacled” engineer, no less!
James,
Kick his ass, sea bass. Dan’s not a guy…he’s a ugly Korean leftist chick who just finished a semester of Ethnic Studies at some Midwestern Community College..taught by another ugly Korean leftist chick.
Just wait…soon (s)he’ll hold forth on “resistance” and “cultural protection”, and all manner of such undergraduate bugaboos.
You’re not fooling anybody, “Dan”. And as for your offer to compare physical attractiveness…let me just say….you are one sorry son.
I mean daughter.
“Dan”, drop your 6th-grade understanding of the world, and go hang out with real people for a while. Maybe you’ll end up liking some guy, and he will like you in return. Maybe he’ll be white, maybe brown, maybe some other color. Either way, the world will make more sense to you, and you won’t be so ronery and sadry arone.
“Dan”, everybody on this post that disagrees with you has a good reason for doing so. All you’ve done is insult them, calling them stalkers and worse. Where do you get off? Your empty pseudo-academic rhetoric proves you attended the dumbest, bottom-of-the-barrel social science gut classes, but you have yet to bust a scintilla of logic or reason.
Next time you think about signing up for another Women’s Studies course, fight the urge and instead take “Principles of Thinking”. It kicks ass!!!
Why does everything have to be red and blue? Don’t partisonize a wonderful argument. I guess I Godwined the thread already though. Time to bring in the real flamethrower.
Religion is the crutch of the masses and will fade from society as we evolve as a race.
Dan,
Don’t get mad, man. I feel your pain.
Racism exists everywhere, even in my head. I have some pre-set opinions about blacks, indians, Japanese, Irish,etc,etc.
Many posting here are victims of racism as well. They complain that when they go out strolling with their Korean wives get ridiculed or get snide remarks by Koreans. Racism is ugly.
Racism is part of everyone, just like sexual identity. Everyone has it.
Here are the answers for overcoming racism:
1)Education: The schools must do its share.
2)Media: the most important ingredient.
3)Time: it takes time.
Media is the most important factor. People learn “normalcy” from media, movies,TV and magazines. Can you imagine the impact of having some good looking oriental actors appearing in great movies as strong heroes and dating white chicks? About ten of them. These movies will revolutionize the image of oriental males. Strong, intelligent and yet with values like friendship, honesty and fairness. Perception is reality in this case. Asian females will come back to us, for sure.
Hollywood is the answer. Let’s set up a fund. Blacks did it. Let’s follow their steps.
If you really want to remove any remaining prejudice against asian males which you perceive to exist, I suggest you find an Asian guy with a massive schlong and shoot some porno flicks.
Possible pseudonym for actor: ????¡±??™
Movie titles: Asses of Evil, Commie Cornholers, Devirginized Zone, Seoul-land Steamers, ????§‘ Ripper
*Ahem*…. That is by the far the most creative extended pun I’ve ever seen on the North Korean use of initial ??¹!