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		<title>By: The Breakdown Lane</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 06:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Educating Korea

If I want to get depressed and pessimistic about the next few decades, all I have to do is think about demographics on a global scale. Specifically I worry about too many young people living in a world where the...</description>
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		<title>By: Mingi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mingi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 17:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When debating about China, many assume China will definitely one day challenge the United States. In turn, there is little or no debate as to whether China could eclipse Japan as the regional steward. The supposed hatred of Japan affecting East Asian relations, aside from those involving South Korea, are exaggerated. After all, South East Asia wouldn't fare so well without Japan's Official Development Assistance, which stands as the largest foreign aid budget worldwide. And in recent years, South East Asian countries, instead of turning to China, have been looking towards Japan for military assistance.

For instance, as the US Navy has been refused by Indonesian and Malaysian governments, the Japan Maritime Self Defense Forces have been welcomed by the two governments and are scheduled to conduct maritime exercises in the Malacca Strait which is home to over 50% of the world's piracy. Japan is also setting up a counter-terrorism center in Singapore targeting problems in the strait. While over 80% of oil shipments headed to China and Japan pass through the strait, China has done little to assist. And past hostages have testified that some of the pirates have been using Chinese naval vessels and wearing Chinese naval uniforms.

As for those countries that have territorial disputes with China, such as Vietnam and the Philippines, they are increasing exchanges between their navies and the JMSDF, and future Vietnamese naval officers are attending Japanese military academies. While territorial disputes involving China were toned down in the past, East Asia's competition for energy resources increase the likelihood of heated disputes. Senkaku and the Spratlys are known to have gas reserves. It is also no coincidence that the rapidly modernizing PLA Navy has been entering disputed territories and alarming SE Asian governments which have in turn urged Tokyo to confront Beijing, which is how the ASEAN Regional Forum became a place for security dialogue amongst ASEAN+3 countries.

Japan is by no means a setting sun. It continues to be the second-largest economic power in the world, on which much of China's prosperity depends. Despite its pacifist constitution, Japan possesses the world's top 5 naval AND air forces in terms of size and technology. The Japanese military is also by far the most technologically advanced Asian military force with the greatest reach outside its borders, thanks to constitutional revisions that have allowed purchase of air-refueling capabilities. While this is being challenged by planned Chinese naval bases in Pakistan, Cambodia, and the Maldives, a major revision to the Japanese pacifist constitution is expected, allowing Japan to obtain larger ground forces and "normal" military power possibly commensurate with its economic status.

Simply because Japan hasn't waved its stick since World War II and it isn't receiving the glamorous spotlight like China, that does not mean Japan is on its way out. Domestically, Japan is also far more stable than China, and it doesn't require arm-twisting tactics to maintain stability. And also, Japan has no ethnic minority groups who received training under Osama bin Laden asking for an independent republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When debating about China, many assume China will definitely one day challenge the United States. In turn, there is little or no debate as to whether China could eclipse Japan as the regional steward. The supposed hatred of Japan affecting East Asian relations, aside from those involving South Korea, are exaggerated. After all, South East Asia wouldn&#8217;t fare so well without Japan&#8217;s Official Development Assistance, which stands as the largest foreign aid budget worldwide. And in recent years, South East Asian countries, instead of turning to China, have been looking towards Japan for military assistance.</p>
<p>For instance, as the US Navy has been refused by Indonesian and Malaysian governments, the Japan Maritime Self Defense Forces have been welcomed by the two governments and are scheduled to conduct maritime exercises in the Malacca Strait which is home to over 50% of the world&#8217;s piracy. Japan is also setting up a counter-terrorism center in Singapore targeting problems in the strait. While over 80% of oil shipments headed to China and Japan pass through the strait, China has done little to assist. And past hostages have testified that some of the pirates have been using Chinese naval vessels and wearing Chinese naval uniforms.</p>
<p>As for those countries that have territorial disputes with China, such as Vietnam and the Philippines, they are increasing exchanges between their navies and the JMSDF, and future Vietnamese naval officers are attending Japanese military academies. While territorial disputes involving China were toned down in the past, East Asia&#8217;s competition for energy resources increase the likelihood of heated disputes. Senkaku and the Spratlys are known to have gas reserves. It is also no coincidence that the rapidly modernizing PLA Navy has been entering disputed territories and alarming SE Asian governments which have in turn urged Tokyo to confront Beijing, which is how the ASEAN Regional Forum became a place for security dialogue amongst ASEAN+3 countries.</p>
<p>Japan is by no means a setting sun. It continues to be the second-largest economic power in the world, on which much of China&#8217;s prosperity depends. Despite its pacifist constitution, Japan possesses the world&#8217;s top 5 naval AND air forces in terms of size and technology. The Japanese military is also by far the most technologically advanced Asian military force with the greatest reach outside its borders, thanks to constitutional revisions that have allowed purchase of air-refueling capabilities. While this is being challenged by planned Chinese naval bases in Pakistan, Cambodia, and the Maldives, a major revision to the Japanese pacifist constitution is expected, allowing Japan to obtain larger ground forces and &#8220;normal&#8221; military power possibly commensurate with its economic status.</p>
<p>Simply because Japan hasn&#8217;t waved its stick since World War II and it isn&#8217;t receiving the glamorous spotlight like China, that does not mean Japan is on its way out. Domestically, Japan is also far more stable than China, and it doesn&#8217;t require arm-twisting tactics to maintain stability. And also, Japan has no ethnic minority groups who received training under Osama bin Laden asking for an independent republic.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 06:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote:

But sooner or later, something is going to happen?€”it could be pretty, it could be ugly?€”that is going to force these two countries to deal with the situation head on.

I meant in the case of China, "deal with the situation head on in a way other than by sending refugees back to NK."</description>
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<p>But sooner or later, something is going to happen?€”it could be pretty, it could be ugly?€”that is going to force these two countries to deal with the situation head on.</p>
<p>I meant in the case of China, &#8220;deal with the situation head on in a way other than by sending refugees back to NK.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Won Joon Choe wrote:
I detect you lack the fine sense of proportion.
Proportion about what? (Or was that a glib comment?)

Proportion about China's own human violations? Other than that they are equally culpable with North Korea in the scheme for Chinese authorities to actively search out North Korean refugees and repatriate them to North Korea, here's what Human Rights Watch has to say about China:

Torture is common in China's criminal justice system. Recent HRW research suggests that abuses are particularly likely in Tibet and Xinjiang. In Tibet, authorities have subjected religious figures and activists to mistreatment in detention.  ??
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In  Xinjiang, populated mostly by Muslim Uighurs, China has cracked down on religious practitioners and activists and subjected them to abuse in prisons and re-education through labor campssome have also been executed. Detainees have reported beatings with shackles, electric shocks, and being kicked to the point of unconsciousness.

Here's what they have to say about North Korea:
In North Korea, which suffers one of the worlds most repressive governments, prisoners are routinely subjected to forced labor, torture and other mistreatment.  Despite repeated resolutions by the U.N. Human Rights Commission condemning its human rights record, North Korea has largely shunned dialogue with U.N. experts on human rights, including the special rapporteur on human rights in North Korea, Vitit Muntarbhorn.

North Korea is worse, of course. But because China is such an important trading partner, the right and middle in the US give China a free pass. To bash South Korea's "leadership" for "ignoring" the North Korean refugee problem while ignoring China's own ACTIVE culpability in the problem is utter hypocrisy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won Joon Choe wrote:<br />
I detect you lack the fine sense of proportion.<br />
Proportion about what? (Or was that a glib comment?)</p>
<p>Proportion about China&#8217;s own human violations? Other than that they are equally culpable with North Korea in the scheme for Chinese authorities to actively search out North Korean refugees and repatriate them to North Korea, here&#8217;s what Human Rights Watch has to say about China:</p>
<p>Torture is common in China&#8217;s criminal justice system. Recent HRW research suggests that abuses are particularly likely in Tibet and Xinjiang. In Tibet, authorities have subjected religious figures and activists to mistreatment in detention.  ??<br />
 ??<br />
In  Xinjiang, populated mostly by Muslim Uighurs, China has cracked down on religious practitioners and activists and subjected them to abuse in prisons and re-education through labor campssome have also been executed. Detainees have reported beatings with shackles, electric shocks, and being kicked to the point of unconsciousness.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what they have to say about North Korea:<br />
In North Korea, which suffers one of the worlds most repressive governments, prisoners are routinely subjected to forced labor, torture and other mistreatment.  Despite repeated resolutions by the U.N. Human Rights Commission condemning its human rights record, North Korea has largely shunned dialogue with U.N. experts on human rights, including the special rapporteur on human rights in North Korea, Vitit Muntarbhorn.</p>
<p>North Korea is worse, of course. But because China is such an important trading partner, the right and middle in the US give China a free pass. To bash South Korea&#8217;s &#8220;leadership&#8221; for &#8220;ignoring&#8221; the North Korean refugee problem while ignoring China&#8217;s own ACTIVE culpability in the problem is utter hypocrisy.<br />
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 18:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China is a communist country that violates freedom of religion and freedom of speech. 

North Korean refugees in China (virtually their only way out) live in fear of being caught by the CHINESE authorities and sent to North Korea.

The United States does BILLIONS of dollars in trade with this country and is trying to set up more and more.

South Korea is criticized by right-wing groups for turning a blind eye to the refugees in pursuit of economic opportunities with the North.

There's a disconnect there.

I'm all for criticizing the Roh government for putting faith in killing the North regime through kindness over the concerns of refugees who need rescuing NOW, but why should the US get a free pass on its investments with CHINA when it is CHINA that is half of the problem up there?

And what moral standing does the US have to criticize the Roh government's dealings with North Korea when it is so heavily involved with CHINA?

(I'm also for criticizing France for its willingness to sell arms to China).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China is a communist country that violates freedom of religion and freedom of speech. </p>
<p>North Korean refugees in China (virtually their only way out) live in fear of being caught by the CHINESE authorities and sent to North Korea.</p>
<p>The United States does BILLIONS of dollars in trade with this country and is trying to set up more and more.</p>
<p>South Korea is criticized by right-wing groups for turning a blind eye to the refugees in pursuit of economic opportunities with the North.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a disconnect there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for criticizing the Roh government for putting faith in killing the North regime through kindness over the concerns of refugees who need rescuing NOW, but why should the US get a free pass on its investments with CHINA when it is CHINA that is half of the problem up there?</p>
<p>And what moral standing does the US have to criticize the Roh government&#8217;s dealings with North Korea when it is so heavily involved with CHINA?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m also for criticizing France for its willingness to sell arms to China).</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 10:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true.  Refugees are pretty darn near the heart of the issue; indeed, part of the reason SK and China are playing their cards the way they are is out of fear of having to deal with refugees.  But sooner or later, something is going to happenit could be pretty, it could be uglythat is going to force these two countries to deal with the situation head on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true.  Refugees are pretty darn near the heart of the issue; indeed, part of the reason SK and China are playing their cards the way they are is out of fear of having to deal with refugees.  But sooner or later, something is going to happenit could be pretty, it could be uglythat is going to force these two countries to deal with the situation head on.</p>
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		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>nukes this, nuke that, China this, America that, Conservatives this, Liberals that&#8230;</p>
<p>Too bad people don&#8217;t talk about refugees&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 08:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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