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		<title>By: bulgasari</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/05/14/jsa-remake-wtf-aint-it-cool-news/#comment-16598</link>
		<dc:creator>bulgasari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 11:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant that link about children's stories was here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant that link about children&#8217;s stories was here.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathartidae</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/05/14/jsa-remake-wtf-aint-it-cool-news/#comment-16597</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathartidae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 04:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo,

You're right, I worded that poorly. I went for snark over seriousness and it ended up a mess.

Just forget what I wrote:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I worded that poorly. I went for snark over seriousness and it ended up a mess.</p>
<p>Just forget what I wrote:)</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 03:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie, JSA, is a pro-North movie.  Just look at the poster.  The NK soldier is a hero, while SK's Lee ByungHyen was a liar who killed his friend in the heat of the battle.

The previous movie, "Shiri", just lamented the fact that Korea was divided into two countries.  Tragic nature of star-crossed lovers coming from the enemy camps was quite believable.

However, in the movie, JSA, the writer and the producer are accusing SKs to be liars while making a hero out of NK soldier, who supposed to be more humane, more patriotic and more heroic.

NKs are Just a good people suffering under the bad system?  Is it really?

At the beginning phase of Korean War, the same fuzzy feeling pervaded the SK.  Thinking NKs are reasonable people (heck, five years prior to the war, we were the same people!) many in SK thought the war would bring unification.  And, there was, I believe, intentional "defeats" and ?€œretreats?€? on the South military's part.

However, when the commies came into Seoul and rounded up military officers and police officers and even their families, lined them up and shot them up without any mercy, SKs realized they are mistaken.  When NKs took away all personal possessions from farming villages including the land and the seeds and made them the properties of the communist party, SKs realized the horror of the Communist system.

I am afraid this misperception about NKs being the "good" people and the communism being the alternative form of government is prevalent in SK once again.  After all, we are the same people, they say.  Would the NKs hurt their blood brothers, they wonder.  The answer was already given in the Korean War.

The movie like JSA was made with an ulterior motive.  The writer is obviously either a pro-North commie or a sentimental and delusional pacifist.  There is no area in DMZ where the SK and NK soldiers can meet like in that movie.  The whole thing is unrealistic and totally absurd.  It is obvious everybody who worked on that movie never served in Korean military.  Maybe in the prison for being pro-North sympathizers?

It is about time to call "killers" with the proper name.  NKs, under naive belief in communism, played the role of Russian puppets and killed many during the Korean War.  Now, as the underlings of China, they are again poised to kill many innocent people in this so-called NK nuke crisis.

The people who made JSA are just helping these commies to do just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie, JSA, is a pro-North movie.  Just look at the poster.  The NK soldier is a hero, while SK&#8217;s Lee ByungHyen was a liar who killed his friend in the heat of the battle.</p>
<p>The previous movie, &#8220;Shiri&#8221;, just lamented the fact that Korea was divided into two countries.  Tragic nature of star-crossed lovers coming from the enemy camps was quite believable.</p>
<p>However, in the movie, JSA, the writer and the producer are accusing SKs to be liars while making a hero out of NK soldier, who supposed to be more humane, more patriotic and more heroic.</p>
<p>NKs are Just a good people suffering under the bad system?  Is it really?</p>
<p>At the beginning phase of Korean War, the same fuzzy feeling pervaded the SK.  Thinking NKs are reasonable people (heck, five years prior to the war, we were the same people!) many in SK thought the war would bring unification.  And, there was, I believe, intentional &#8220;defeats&#8221; and ?€œretreats?€? on the South military&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>However, when the commies came into Seoul and rounded up military officers and police officers and even their families, lined them up and shot them up without any mercy, SKs realized they are mistaken.  When NKs took away all personal possessions from farming villages including the land and the seeds and made them the properties of the communist party, SKs realized the horror of the Communist system.</p>
<p>I am afraid this misperception about NKs being the &#8220;good&#8221; people and the communism being the alternative form of government is prevalent in SK once again.  After all, we are the same people, they say.  Would the NKs hurt their blood brothers, they wonder.  The answer was already given in the Korean War.</p>
<p>The movie like JSA was made with an ulterior motive.  The writer is obviously either a pro-North commie or a sentimental and delusional pacifist.  There is no area in DMZ where the SK and NK soldiers can meet like in that movie.  The whole thing is unrealistic and totally absurd.  It is obvious everybody who worked on that movie never served in Korean military.  Maybe in the prison for being pro-North sympathizers?</p>
<p>It is about time to call &#8220;killers&#8221; with the proper name.  NKs, under naive belief in communism, played the role of Russian puppets and killed many during the Korean War.  Now, as the underlings of China, they are again poised to kill many innocent people in this so-called NK nuke crisis.</p>
<p>The people who made JSA are just helping these commies to do just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 03:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathartidae wrote:
They need to get their story straight. On one day, they?€™re bragging about the economic benefits of the Korean wave and how Korean movie rights are being sold abroad. The next, they?€™re complaining that foreign countries are buying the rights to Korean films rather than just showing Korean movies in the theaters.

Who they?

I think this might be two different theys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathartidae wrote:<br />
They need to get their story straight. On one day, they?€™re bragging about the economic benefits of the Korean wave and how Korean movie rights are being sold abroad. The next, they?€™re complaining that foreign countries are buying the rights to Korean films rather than just showing Korean movies in the theaters.</p>
<p>Who they?</p>
<p>I think this might be two different theys.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathartidae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathartidae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to get their story straight. On one day, they're bragging about the economic benefits of the Korean wave and how Korean movie rights are being sold abroad. The next, they're complaining that foreign countries are buying the rights to Korean films rather than just showing Korean movies in the theaters. You just can't satisfy some people...

Anyone know if the makers of Two Cops bought the story rights from Lethal Weapon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to get their story straight. On one day, they&#8217;re bragging about the economic benefits of the Korean wave and how Korean movie rights are being sold abroad. The next, they&#8217;re complaining that foreign countries are buying the rights to Korean films rather than just showing Korean movies in the theaters. You just can&#8217;t satisfy some people&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone know if the makers of Two Cops bought the story rights from Lethal Weapon?</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 23:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>baduk wrote:
And, why do you assume a Swiss will speak good English.  They may speak good German, but English? 

I've met a quite a few Swiss and they all spoke pretty good English. Same with the Dutch I have met. 

But even if her character might not speak English perfectly, given the character's position, a viewer would expect her to speak English pretty well. 

At the very least, she wouldn't speak English like a Korean. She might speak Korean like a Korean, though, since her father (?) was a Korean native.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>baduk wrote:<br />
And, why do you assume a Swiss will speak good English.  They may speak good German, but English? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met a quite a few Swiss and they all spoke pretty good English. Same with the Dutch I have met. </p>
<p>But even if her character might not speak English perfectly, given the character&#8217;s position, a viewer would expect her to speak English pretty well. </p>
<p>At the very least, she wouldn&#8217;t speak English like a Korean. She might speak Korean like a Korean, though, since her father (?) was a Korean native.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy "cross-eye" Liu speaking reciting extremely awkward Japanese in Kill Bil... :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Not that Hollywood is much higher on the credibility scale (Chinese Geisha anyone?)."

Oh yeah, that.  That kind of bugged me too... I am usually more comfortable with native ______ people/actors acting out the character of their own nationality, yet, the objective of actors is that their supposed to act like someone they're not, even if that means their own nationality.  But they're supposed to do it WELL.  If Ms. Lee of JSA had been more fluent, it would not have been as discrepant (not like it's an easy thing for her to pull off, but just making an observation).

 Asian actors taking roles of characters of other nationalities isn't *too* much different than caucasian actors doing the same...say, a real-life American actor (with German ancestry, if you will) takes the role of a Irish guy.  Lots of actors all around do this, I guess.  It's their job. The Chinese actresses in Memoirs of Geisha, from what I understand, are mainly speaking in English (I don't know how much Japanese is spoken in that; I guess we'll have to see).  Now the question is if their English is up to par.  No matter what, they will still sound like Chinese people speaking english as opposed to a Japanese person doing the same thing...but who cares, right? Most Americans won't notice, or care (They all look the same anyway, right? ;)) My point is that this kind of thing happens in cinema a lot, but sometimes it's just waaaay too obvious (JSA).

I wanted to get that out of my system once and for all.  I love watching movies and especially foreign movies these days (something else to explore other than Hollywood).  Sorry for the rambling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not that Hollywood is much higher on the credibility scale (Chinese Geisha anyone?).&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh yeah, that.  That kind of bugged me too&#8230; I am usually more comfortable with native ______ people/actors acting out the character of their own nationality, yet, the objective of actors is that their supposed to act like someone they&#8217;re not, even if that means their own nationality.  But they&#8217;re supposed to do it WELL.  If Ms. Lee of JSA had been more fluent, it would not have been as discrepant (not like it&#8217;s an easy thing for her to pull off, but just making an observation).</p>
<p> Asian actors taking roles of characters of other nationalities isn&#8217;t *too* much different than caucasian actors doing the same&#8230;say, a real-life American actor (with German ancestry, if you will) takes the role of a Irish guy.  Lots of actors all around do this, I guess.  It&#8217;s their job. The Chinese actresses in Memoirs of Geisha, from what I understand, are mainly speaking in English (I don&#8217;t know how much Japanese is spoken in that; I guess we&#8217;ll have to see).  Now the question is if their English is up to par.  No matter what, they will still sound like Chinese people speaking english as opposed to a Japanese person doing the same thing&#8230;but who cares, right? Most Americans won&#8217;t notice, or care (They all look the same anyway, right? ;)) My point is that this kind of thing happens in cinema a lot, but sometimes it&#8217;s just waaaay too obvious (JSA).</p>
<p>I wanted to get that out of my system once and for all.  I love watching movies and especially foreign movies these days (something else to explore other than Hollywood).  Sorry for the rambling!</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mingi,
I think Hollywood is buying out foreign screen plays because Hollywood actors and directors would rather read Noam Chomsky and parade around like activists rather than make their own movies.Almost fell off my chair reading that one :-)

Paul,
in case you haven?€™t noticed, SUBTITLES SUCK!Ask my wife: when we were in Korea, I spent rambling about the bad subtitles in foreign movies, and the mistakes that were made... She always pleaded me to shut up and watch :-) [and I did a stint making subtitles for videos...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mingi,<br />
I think Hollywood is buying out foreign screen plays because Hollywood actors and directors would rather read Noam Chomsky and parade around like activists rather than make their own movies.Almost fell off my chair reading that one <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Paul,<br />
in case you haven?€™t noticed, SUBTITLES SUCK!Ask my wife: when we were in Korea, I spent rambling about the bad subtitles in foreign movies, and the mistakes that were made&#8230; She always pleaded me to shut up and watch <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> [and I did a stint making subtitles for videos...]</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2005 17:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a bunch of adoptees in Sweden, I remember meeting a few a decade ago or so.

Agree that ??´?????? was totally unconvincing in her role of a half European (I think it was Swiss, but who cares, really...? The investigating is a mix of Swedish and Swiss, being neutral countries and all, and ??´??????'s name in the movie is Sophie Jean, which would lead us to believe she is impersonating a Swiss). The Korean population's interest in/knowledge of the rest of the world is so dismal (what was that drama about ?œ???™???s studying in the States, where the actors spoke utterly bad English?) that they wouldn't know anyway. Besides, it was about making a block-buster, not giving someone a chance... Not that Hollywood is much higher on the credibility scale (Chinese Geisha anyone?).

I loved the film, although I dislike that woman and I ain't a big fan of ??´?³‘??Œ. But ?†¡?°???¸ is a great actor, and ??´?³‘??Œ did pull his thumb outta his cutesy ass on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a bunch of adoptees in Sweden, I remember meeting a few a decade ago or so.</p>
<p>Agree that ??´?????? was totally unconvincing in her role of a half European (I think it was Swiss, but who cares, really&#8230;? The investigating is a mix of Swedish and Swiss, being neutral countries and all, and ??´??????&#8217;s name in the movie is Sophie Jean, which would lead us to believe she is impersonating a Swiss). The Korean population&#8217;s interest in/knowledge of the rest of the world is so dismal (what was that drama about ?œ???™???s studying in the States, where the actors spoke utterly bad English?) that they wouldn&#8217;t know anyway. Besides, it was about making a block-buster, not giving someone a chance&#8230; Not that Hollywood is much higher on the credibility scale (Chinese Geisha anyone?).</p>
<p>I loved the film, although I dislike that woman and I ain&#8217;t a big fan of ??´?³‘??Œ. But ?†¡?°???¸ is a great actor, and ??´?³‘??Œ did pull his thumb outta his cutesy ass on this one.</p>
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