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		<title>By: MichaelMichael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/05/10/essay-on-s-korea-as-ne-asian-balancer-must-read/#comment-16231</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 16:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koreans can be harshly critical of their own society, my friends and wife are proof of that. The public chest-beating and boasting comes from lingering shame of colonization and civil war, but at this point, (South) Korea has made very real accomplishments in many areas, so maybe it's time to chill and promote the reality (like the advances in cloning) and drop the bullshit like "Koreans are more dextrous because they use metal chopsticks" &lt;a href="http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=20040222" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=20040222&lt;/a&gt; But then maybe this is a hard habit for a country that loves to number and rank everything to break.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koreans can be harshly critical of their own society, my friends and wife are proof of that. The public chest-beating and boasting comes from lingering shame of colonization and civil war, but at this point, (South) Korea has made very real accomplishments in many areas, so maybe it&#8217;s time to chill and promote the reality (like the advances in cloning) and drop the bullshit like &#8220;Koreans are more dextrous because they use metal chopsticks&#8221; <a href="http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=20040222" rel="nofollow">http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=20040222</a> But then maybe this is a hard habit for a country that loves to number and rank everything to break.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 07:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America disproved the myths of racial and cultural supremecy by allowing all races and cultures to contribute to its greatness. Those who have to resort to racial supremecy for a sense of self worth are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I could not agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America disproved the myths of racial and cultural supremecy by allowing all races and cultures to contribute to its greatness. Those who have to resort to racial supremecy for a sense of self worth are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.</p>
<p>I could not agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 06:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dogbert: Thank you mizarv for a very illuminating post. Curious, I don?€™t wish to knock Koreans for their success either, but it does seem that often it is described as having been achieved because ?€œKoreans are the best race to do detail work with their hands,?€? or ?€œKoreans are the world?€™s hardest working people,?€? or ?€œKoreans are the smartest race?€?, etc. All of which ignores the fact that while Koreans in the south of this peninsula have indeed progress far at a very quick clip, Koreans in the north have performed abysmally. Therefore, I find it ludicrous to success that the performance of South Korea was not jumpstarted and supported to a quite significant extent by others.

Yes, and there's no shame in that. Americans benefited from their openness to world cultures. They got Einstein, Bell and a host of other self-made Americans, people who were proud to become Americans and willing to work for and defend their adopted country. America gave them something to believe in - individual betterment, opportunity, social causes. 

America disproved the myths of racial and cultural supremecy by allowing all races and cultures to contribute to its greatness. Those who have to resort to racial supremecy for a sense of self worth are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dogbert: Thank you mizarv for a very illuminating post. Curious, I don?€™t wish to knock Koreans for their success either, but it does seem that often it is described as having been achieved because ?€œKoreans are the best race to do detail work with their hands,?€? or ?€œKoreans are the world?€™s hardest working people,?€? or ?€œKoreans are the smartest race?€?, etc. All of which ignores the fact that while Koreans in the south of this peninsula have indeed progress far at a very quick clip, Koreans in the north have performed abysmally. Therefore, I find it ludicrous to success that the performance of South Korea was not jumpstarted and supported to a quite significant extent by others.</p>
<p>Yes, and there&#8217;s no shame in that. Americans benefited from their openness to world cultures. They got Einstein, Bell and a host of other self-made Americans, people who were proud to become Americans and willing to work for and defend their adopted country. America gave them something to believe in - individual betterment, opportunity, social causes. </p>
<p>America disproved the myths of racial and cultural supremecy by allowing all races and cultures to contribute to its greatness. Those who have to resort to racial supremecy for a sense of self worth are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/05/10/essay-on-s-korea-as-ne-asian-balancer-must-read/#comment-16228</link>
		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 06:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry for the sarcasm - it?€™s obnoxious practice.

Direct some of that delicious sarcasm my way if you like, trol. I enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry for the sarcasm - it?€™s obnoxious practice.</p>
<p>Direct some of that delicious sarcasm my way if you like, trol. I enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 06:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mizar5,indisciminate ?€œcompensation?€? doesn?€™t do much to balance things. knocking what south koreans managed economically from the ravages of the korean war doesn?€™t balance other shortcomings of korea and her people - it only insults the people who put in the hardwork so that she is now able to at least feed her people. credit where credit is due, including koreans, and the same goes for this ?€œcompensating?€? - direct it where it?€™s warranted. no advice, just an opinion. 

Thanks, trol. And even though I did not take your well-pointed comment as an insult, I don't really mind insults either. Sometimes they do some good. 

The truth be told, non Koreans are constantly kissing our arses in the media. The only remarks we are interested in hearing from outsiders are these: "Korea is a beautiful country. It has a wonderful culture. The people are gracious. The food is delicious. Korea is dynamic." Considering how many times we have braodcast this, it's truly a testiment to our insecurity that we never tire of rebroadcasting it. It seems that the foreigners have found and exposed our weakness. It's too obvious for them to miss and too painful for us to admit. We want to be praised and we bridle at criticism. We start diplomatic wars over this nonsense.

We constantly assure ourselves that "foreigners are interested in our culture." We emblazen our TV screens with meaningless phrases of self-praise like "Wonderful Korea". The North may have a personality cult, but we have a racial cult.

Perhaps we don't really want to improve. It seems we only want to be enabled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mizar5,indisciminate ?€œcompensation?€? doesn?€™t do much to balance things. knocking what south koreans managed economically from the ravages of the korean war doesn?€™t balance other shortcomings of korea and her people - it only insults the people who put in the hardwork so that she is now able to at least feed her people. credit where credit is due, including koreans, and the same goes for this ?€œcompensating?€? - direct it where it?€™s warranted. no advice, just an opinion. </p>
<p>Thanks, trol. And even though I did not take your well-pointed comment as an insult, I don&#8217;t really mind insults either. Sometimes they do some good. </p>
<p>The truth be told, non Koreans are constantly kissing our arses in the media. The only remarks we are interested in hearing from outsiders are these: &#8220;Korea is a beautiful country. It has a wonderful culture. The people are gracious. The food is delicious. Korea is dynamic.&#8221; Considering how many times we have braodcast this, it&#8217;s truly a testiment to our insecurity that we never tire of rebroadcasting it. It seems that the foreigners have found and exposed our weakness. It&#8217;s too obvious for them to miss and too painful for us to admit. We want to be praised and we bridle at criticism. We start diplomatic wars over this nonsense.</p>
<p>We constantly assure ourselves that &#8220;foreigners are interested in our culture.&#8221; We emblazen our TV screens with meaningless phrases of self-praise like &#8220;Wonderful Korea&#8221;. The North may have a personality cult, but we have a racial cult.</p>
<p>Perhaps we don&#8217;t really want to improve. It seems we only want to be enabled.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 04:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dogbert wrote:
I?€™m merely saying that one can?€™t have it both ways.

well, that goes without saying.  and those that go around yapping "best race" and "smartest race" are clearly drunk or morons, koreans or no.  koreans do seem to work pretty hard, though.  but i hear the same about japanese and others.

sorry for the sarcasm - it's obnoxious practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dogbert wrote:<br />
I?€™m merely saying that one can?€™t have it both ways.</p>
<p>well, that goes without saying.  and those that go around yapping &#8220;best race&#8221; and &#8220;smartest race&#8221; are clearly drunk or morons, koreans or no.  koreans do seem to work pretty hard, though.  but i hear the same about japanese and others.</p>
<p>sorry for the sarcasm - it&#8217;s obnoxious practice.</p>
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		<title>By: libertine</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 02:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizar5 - excellent post (#54). I look forward to reading your future comments on this blog.  Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizar5 - excellent post (#54). I look forward to reading your future comments on this blog.  Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 01:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogbert, I agree that "no man is an island" (Donne).  No country can go it alone.  Of course, South Korea has received outside help and investment.  So did the countries of western Europe, for example, in the form of the Marshall Plan.  Many large economies maintain sizeable foreign debts, as in the case of the US of A (and other countries as well).

I'm not saying that Koreans are specially unique.  Some Japanese sometimes say this about themselves, and I find it hard to stomach coming from any nationality.  But I will say that, generally, Koreans (and Japanese too, for that matter) are hard workers.  There's certainly no such thing as a 40-hour work week in Korea for business or office people.  And witness the gruelling years of preparation for entrance exams students have to go through.  (It's quite possible that many Koreans are working harder than they would like to work, since there isn't really much choice in the matter....)

Regarding the difference in economic performance between the South and the North, I would have thought it was a question of the management philosophies of the people in charge.  Non-market economies lack the incentives to encourage people to do their best or to contribute their talents to society in the best way possible.  In the North's case, economic activity appears to be largely centred on funding the guy in charge, as well as the military.  So the economy doesn't properly harness people's talents, and a lot of its output is being channelled not into profit and reinvestment, but into non-revenue-generating sectors of the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogbert, I agree that &#8220;no man is an island&#8221; (Donne).  No country can go it alone.  Of course, South Korea has received outside help and investment.  So did the countries of western Europe, for example, in the form of the Marshall Plan.  Many large economies maintain sizeable foreign debts, as in the case of the US of A (and other countries as well).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Koreans are specially unique.  Some Japanese sometimes say this about themselves, and I find it hard to stomach coming from any nationality.  But I will say that, generally, Koreans (and Japanese too, for that matter) are hard workers.  There&#8217;s certainly no such thing as a 40-hour work week in Korea for business or office people.  And witness the gruelling years of preparation for entrance exams students have to go through.  (It&#8217;s quite possible that many Koreans are working harder than they would like to work, since there isn&#8217;t really much choice in the matter&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Regarding the difference in economic performance between the South and the North, I would have thought it was a question of the management philosophies of the people in charge.  Non-market economies lack the incentives to encourage people to do their best or to contribute their talents to society in the best way possible.  In the North&#8217;s case, economic activity appears to be largely centred on funding the guy in charge, as well as the military.  So the economy doesn&#8217;t properly harness people&#8217;s talents, and a lot of its output is being channelled not into profit and reinvestment, but into non-revenue-generating sectors of the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 01:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm merely saying that one can't have it both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m merely saying that one can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 01:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen up, all you low-life scums, a member of the Best Race speaking here:

Who let the dog in??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen up, all you low-life scums, a member of the Best Race speaking here:</p>
<p>Who let the dog in??</p>
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