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Hello,
This is about a good a place as any for this…
Since you changed your site, I’ve been admiring your boseong tea green theme. Yesterday, my wife and I drove out to boseong for the festival. The weather sucked but the scenery was spectacular.
Anyhoo, I look forward to reading more on your blog…
UNACCEPTABLE!!
I kid.
But please hurry back. We need you. Without the Marmot we’re nothing.
marmot, the spammers have started attacking and it appears there are people now posting here who know how to do illegal and/or unethical things with the internet.
in other words, you may get back in a few days and find that your passwords have been stolen and this list is no longer yours. someone will then try to prove you never owned it and possibly didn’t even know of its existence.
hurry back.
Hehe… took me a minute to get that. I’m slow tonight.
huzzah.
Marmotronic!
Good thing I popped in, Robert. I was just about to put up a post asking what happened to you and oranckay, whose site was down the last few days (I just checked his, it’s back up).
Until Kaye
saves the PGPs partially, Jeanette won’t authenticate any abysmal
offices. Lately, memorys manage in front of worthwhile mailboxs, unless they’re
bright. Better format opinions now or Usha will angrily compile them
over you. The chaotic official warnings eerily crawl as the
actual cores proliferate. If you will preserve Jezebel’s scanner
about noises, it will lazily flow the pointer. If you’ll pump
Brian’s IRC server with cryptographers, it’ll gently eat the
backdoor. When doesn’t Winifred eliminate crudely?
in other words, you may get back in a few days and find that your passwords have been stolen and this list is no longer yours. someone will then try to prove you never owned it and possibly didn?€™t even know of its existence.
Maybe so. Or maybe he will return to find that others have taken over his site. They present vague documents saying that they have owned the site since 500 AD, yet the documents refer to Orankay - but those people claim that Orancay was the old name for maromot. Marmot tries to take them to court but because they are in another country,special rules say that both parties have to agree to go to court, and the ones that stole the site do not agree, despite declaring loudly to anyone that can hear that ‘Marmots is Our Site’.
Marmot, a pacifist who hasnt laid a hand on anyone in the last 60 years, is constantly derided as a violent man secretly preparing to use violence to take back the site. Knowing that his peaceable nature is being taken advantage of, he wonders if it is not time for change…
That is really funny shak, i doubt that norapark will get it. She seems to lose her humour when the butt of the joke is her home korea.
that is what you find funny, dingles? shak’s uninspired, unwitty, and very unoriginal response is the humour equivalent of ‘i’m rubber, you’re glue…’
little surprise that all he can do is regurgitate what others produce.
(you’re right; i’m so terribly unfunny right now.)
attack of the five-foot lesbian!
Once upon a time a weird little man with a racist agenda spent all his spare time (when he wasn’t a mediocre ESL teacher in Seoul) attacking Koreans who grew up outside of the country. He particularly had it in for one who wrote on this blog so much that people thought she had some kind of mental disorder. The two eloped and lived (un)happily ever after.
little surprise that all he can do is regurgitate what others produce.
Yeah, Nora. Koreans never rip off other peoples ideas.
little surprise that all he can do is regurgitate what others produce.
Yeah, Nora. Koreans never rip off other peoples ideas.
hold on. are you actually trying to attack me by making a lame point about somebody else? you really do need to take a debating skills class, shaku-con.
yeah, there are a lot of korean companies that don’t do anything innovative because they buy the rights or they outright copy someone else’s creation. it’s a very serious problem. an extremely serious problem that will also put an upper limit on the progress of any company that does this. i fear for korea’s future because of the number of companies that do this.
but what does that have to do with me? you’re the one who was uinspiredly copying someone else’s idea (and not too subtely, either).
oh, wait… you’re trying to suggest that you, too, are just like a korean.
well now i am offended, shak.
hey, if you’re suggesting i’m unoriginal and my inherent cleverness is really just ideas ripped off from other people, fine. maybe it’s true. after all, i have a blog where i just paste up other people’s stories. is this innate lack of creativity from my korean or japanese side? or am i a product of my kahl-ee-fo-nyuh education? or both? is it from spending too many nights studying for the sat?
i will have to do much soul-searching tonight.
hold on. are you actually trying to attack me by making a lame point about somebody else? you really do need to take a debating skills class, shaku-con.
It is more valid than your original attack on me. True I took the form of what you wrote, but it was a parody, and you didnt get it (as shinglesloveskorea predicted). How could I do a parody without some degree of imitation?
yeah, there are a lot of korean companies that don?€™t do anything innovative because they buy the rights or they outright copy someone else?€™s creation.
Buying the rights is a moral and lawful thing to do. However, this doesnt apply to what is happening in Korea. Koreans get shocked/angry when you imply that perhaps, just perhaps, the product is not an original Korean idea. Kind of reminds me of ??…?????” ??°??? ??….
It is more valid than your original attack on me. True I took the form of what you wrote, but it was a parody, and you didnt get it (as shinglesloveskorea predicted). How could I do a parody without some degree of imitation?
so you did a parody of something that was already a parody by me? that’s what i mean by uninspired and unoriginal.
and i did get it. but getting it and thinking it had any element of humor in it are two different matters.
had you beaten me to the punch and written your thing before i had, it would have been good for a few chuckles. i doubt you would have thought to come up with that on your own, though.
Buying the rights is a moral and lawful thing to do. However, this doesnt apply to what is happening in Korea.
in many cases, like a lot of car designs, it does.
Koreans get shocked/angry when you imply that perhaps, just perhaps, the product is not an original Korean idea. Kind of reminds me of ??…?????” ??°??? ??….
now this is an interesting topic.
i also know of a few koreans who get angry when you say something is not originally from korea that they had assumed was. i see this less and less now, and even now sometimes the reverse (a lot of koreans were angry to learn that ‘california dreamin who.a.u.’ is not an international chain but a home-grown korean chain.
Kind of reminds me of ??…?????” ??°??? ??….
you’ve backed the wrong horse on this one, shak. i realize that you are such a japanophile that you may feel you have to internalize the ‘japanese’ position on this issue, but beyond a 1905 land-grab, there just isn’t the evidence. gerry bevers trying to play shell games with islands and island names doesn’t really change that.
jtb, if you went to any kind of well-known school in the states (including texas-austin, which a lot of koreans very seriously admire), then passing around your resume was probably to get people to take you seriously.
I work for a Korean chaebol on Youido and I am intimately involved with their innovation efforts. I can tell you that at least the people I work with fully understand the concept and are working hard to achieve it. The two most difficult aspects of innovation are the buyin from people in the organization and being faster than the competition. I cannot understand why the people jtb worked with would have done that. I CAN easily understand what led to the question of what he/she had done to prepare to teach them and their not understanding but circulating the resume…
I have been on many benchmarking trips with Korean executives to well thought of companies in the US. It seems like many of their reactions to what was presented to them varied from South Korea has a chance to become an ‘advanced’ country to we do not have a snow ball’s chance in hell of catching up but not much in between. It is always very interesting to see how they react to information presented to them. As far as buying or licensing products or technology, that is perfectly normal and accepted. In fact, it is better to pay the inventor of the wheel licensing fees than to spend the money (and more importantly time) to reinvent it. Korean companies make plenty of money through licensing their technology to others as well. RD is so important to Korea and to the companies that Korean men can actually avoid going into the military if they get at least a MS or even better a PhD and go to work in a RD center for a set amount of time.
Wait a minute! I?€™ve heard some hellacious name-dropping of schools while in meetings, but ?€“ save in a job interview ?€“ no one (Korean or no) has ever actually pulled out a resume to win or influence. Has anyone else had any experience with this?
Almost by definition, idiots have a lot more staying power. You are a conservative, Marmot — one of the first things you learn in economics class is that bad money drives out good. Similarly, bad conversation drives out good. In the long run, your choices are 1) chaos, 2) moderated forums, 3) no forums (or 4: unpopularity).
In the short run, require posters to register would at least allow you to ban people who get out of hand.
Name dropping of schools has never gotten me anywhere. No one has ever even heard of Duke. They just feign impressed.
That’s because everyone knows UNC whops your ass every way.
I went to UNC too.
james wrote:As far as buying or licensing products or technology, that is perfectly normal and accepted. In fact, it is better to pay the inventor of the wheel licensing fees than to spend the money (and more importantly time) to reinvent it.i know it’s legal and everything, but i have gotten the feeling that too many companies rely on this. and it seemed a few years ago at least (before 1997), a lot of companies were putting more money into real estate speculation than rd. maybe that has changed.
Korean companies make plenty of money through licensing their technology to others as well.well that’s good to know.
p.s. Marmot are you aware that some chunks of your archives are missing? I went looking for a link related to an article posted in early febuary 2005 and 2 weeks worth of posts 02/3 and 02/4 wouldn’t display and 02/2 would only display halfway. Similarly chunks of the January archive are likewise not there.
Yeah, Nora. Koreans never rip off other peoples ideas.
hold on. are you actually trying to attack me by making a lame point about somebody else? you really do need to take a debating skills class, shaku-con.
As I said before, your dedication to pettiness is simply awe inspiring, and such passionate belief alone deserves respect and recognition. I salute you.
It has been my experience that the name dropping of schools doesn’t happen except for discussing the backgrounds of college professors the company is considering using for one thing or another and even then the names discussed are what school he/she teaches at and usually not where they went to school. If anything most people are carefull about letting that cat out of the bag because as Mark Twain wrote; ‘it is better to remain quite and let others think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove any doubt’.
Gee so Nora’s humorous attempt to pay our missing Marmot a compliment gets her flamed. Where’s the sense in that?
At the very least, critique her on the appropriate thread. The nonsequiturs on these comment threads are amazing.
I think she handled it well though, better than I would.
I went to an Ivy school. Funny how no one cared back home, but then you come to Korea and people think it means something.
Anyhow, funny how the Marmot’s site has (d)evolved into a place where you can get flamewars in a 2-sentence post saying how he’s not posting for a few days.
Anyhow, funny how the Marmot?€™s site has (d)evolved into a place where you can get flamewars in a 2-sentence post saying how he?€™s not posting for a few days.
One of the reasons I’ve gotten to where I read here, but rarely post here.
He still finds some of the best stuff around, its just that some of the participants are idiots.
Anyhow, funny how the Marmot?€™s site has (d)evolved into a place where you can get flamewars in a 2-sentence post saying how he?€™s not posting for a few days.
Yes, that is a bit odd. And I’d welcome any suggestions as how to deal with this without getting really draconian about comments (and becoming a full-time discussion group monitor — ick!).
Hi Marmot, perhaps getting rid of all the trolls like Norapark and Noolji would help. When sombody says kimchi is spicy noolji declairs korean world best food powere and nora fisks the origional poster on 10 posts, and she injects how bad the USA is and how wonderful korea is. (or in noras words corea).
I am a big fan of this blog, i just wish the trolls like nora park and noolji would be kept to one comment a day.
Marmot,
A suggestion : Once a week, you just place a post titled “the most important event this week: May 6,2005″ and just write one liner about inviting others to comment.
In this way, I and others can freely write about important things we felt, discovered or read this week. It is similar to “McLachlan’s group”, the PBS series, where before the end of show, every pundit puts in one liner comment about where things are heading.
freenk spewed:
(or in noras words corea).
what makes you think that’s my word? you are either a troll or an idiot who can’t read.
you may not like my presence on this blog, but you can always just skip over my posts, can’t you? but face facts, i contribute more than you do, both on this blog and probably in real life.
(marmot, forgive me for getting nasty, but it’s one thing to insult me and it’s another thing to say that i believe things i don’t).
The Marmot has a life outside of the internet! Oh noes!
The Marmot has a life outside of the internet!
no, he doesn’t! i can’t hear you! your mouth is moving but there’s no sound coming out! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAH!
Hmmmm
Wonders never cease… a full 40 posts in response to an announcement that I was initially suprised the marmot enabled responses to. As far as limiting one persons ability to post, it is my humble opinion that if the personal attacks are left out, there really isn’t anything to get upset about. The difference of opinions is one thing that makes this blog such a nice place to poke around. I hope that the marmot can find a way to police offensive material with out limiting too much who can post. I hope I am not in that pool of posters that are commonly refered to here as idiots or trolls…
Why in Gods name can I not run hosting off of my own box? I have an XDSL connection which runs at damn near FTTH speeds, and I average about 1TB both ways per month, all for 56,000???. Now, considering I hover around the cap on upstream all month, while downstream fluctuates, it seems that there should be no extra burden applied to ???????¡œ?†???? if they unblocked port 80/23 requests to my IP. If you want to host a website which pushes that much data up you will have to pay some hosting company for a dedicated server in conjunction with very high server costs. Does anyone know of any Korean ISPs that don’t block port 80 and can provide a fixed IP to their FTTH subscribers? I have a G4-400mhz Titanium with cracked hinges that can run apache quiet nicely, it’s a shame that I can’t make proper use of it. Instead I have to rely on hosting services which are generally run by people who have little to no time to pay attention to my data/server… GRRR!!!
KrZ. Run your Apache web site on another port. :8080 and :8888 are good choices for Web.
Can you register a domain and include port redirection in the entry?
Marmot, come back! It seems like the only activity going on here these days is Nora bashing. It’s getting ugly. Feed us something new!
KrZ. No. There is no port direction on a domanin registration… If you want to have a domain name linked to your web server, you better start boning up on BIND, DNS and MX records… (Check port 53 is open BTW). Setting up a Web Server is one thing, setting up a DOmain Name Server is yet another.
Why is the per capita income of Luxemborg close to $60k?
DynDns can handle alternative ports, but none of the registrars I’ve looked at can. BIND is alreay enabled and configured, if I want to host subdomains. I really just want to have my portfolio site running locally.
I read the Bush’s speech in Latvia today.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne.....pr_wh/bush
And, I cannot help but draw the parallel between the U.S-Soviet situation and the Korea-Japan relationship. Russia apparently appologized some years ago, but these days Putin is saying and doing the same things the old USSR did. In Japan, Koizumi wants to revive the old emperial Japan as well. Two countries behave in similar fashion.
The old USSR not only did some horrible things in Europe but in Korea as well. They set up the “Madman Kim” who started the Korean war, which killed many Koreans and Americans.
Now, the “Son of Madman” is running the North. Let’s pray he does not repeat his father’s steps. What? He is building a nuke and daring the U.S. to fight him? A bad seed is a bad seed, indeed.
As a spectator mostly, I’ve enjoyed visiting this blog. But there’s been a lot of irritating off-topic discussion going on lately, and I bleieve it generates due to either 1) nora fauning or 2) nora hating. If people can keep to the subject instead of trolling around here for or against nora, that would be great. Thanks.
I’m a bit surprised at the direction in which these comments went. Hurry back, marmot.
Wow…I clicked on this thread wondering what in the Marmot’s post could have possibly generated 51 comments (well, 52 now). Obviously people just like to type.
I bet the Marmot could post a complete blank blog entry and people would still click on comments and start typing away.
You’d think expats in Korea had nothing better to do than sit at a PC bang all day.
15hrs/day in the US 14hrs/day in Korea… I think I’ve cut back on my net usage actually.
I would just like to mention that I have no comments whatever at the moment.
For the record, I echo Kim Jong-il’s sentiments and believe that it is still too early to take a wait-and-see position.
Ok, the weekend is over. Now where is the Marmot?
The Marmot has jumped the shark.
Or maybe the shark has gotten the Marmot.
since this thread seems to be a free for all:
korea becoming more politically advanced than japan-
1. % of legislature that is female in korea and japan- 14% for korea and 7% for japan. ( find recent newsweek article to verify)
2. % of new judges in korea who are female: 54%
3. abolition of hoju
4. korea likely to be first chopstick asians who elect a female as president.
5. koreans likely the first to abolish the death penalty.
6. press clubs reformed in korea and still the same in japan.
source for stats: newsweek, nyt, and asahi shimbun.
you’re just bezotted, expat. makes you blind.
noolji maripkan wrote:
korea becoming more politically advanced than japan-
1. % of legislature that is female in korea and japan- 14% for korea and 7% for japan. ( find recent newsweek article to verify)
This is ridiculously low for both countries, and therefore nothing to be proud of: Korea is bad and Japan is worse, so what’s your point?
2. % of new judges in korea who are female: 54%
I agree, this could be a good sign. I just hope they’re not all mindless leftists like Roh.
3. abolition of hoju
Japan got rid of hoju long ago. This is where Korea is considerably more backward than Japan.
4. korea likely to be first chopstick asians who elect a female as president.
So the Philippines (already on their second female president) doesn’t count if Korea is trying to do a first? Sure, they’re East Asian, but they’re not “chopstick Asian.” It looks like you’re getting into fewer and fewer countries to compare to, which makes the distinction less meaningful. Again, Korea is backward here, not on the forefront.
Anyway, I’m reminded of a quaint English saying, “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.” In other words, since Korea has not elected a female president, so it is a premature declaration to say we here are the first at all.
For now, Korea and Japan remain, like the United States, a place where anybody can become the ruler, but a woman still hasn’t.
5. koreans likely the first to abolish the death penalty.
While I would like to see this happen, I still must point out that it hasn’t happened yet. This is something I would rather see than Tokto chest-beating or other nonsense to come out of the Roh administration.
6. press clubs reformed in korea and still the same in japan.
The media here still sucks.
source for stats: newsweek, nyt, and asahi shimbun.
Stats? There were stats?
I believe the head of the Indonesian body politic is also (or was) a female…do the Indonesians use chopsticks? They’re clearly Asian…
And, for the record, I really hope that Park Geun-Hye gets elected in the R.O.K.. She rules, yo.
aadam aanderson wrote:
And, for the record, I really hope that Park Geun-Hye gets elected in the R.O.K.. She rules, yo.
i concur. south korea needs someone in office who actually understands the importance of sound international relations. and how to achieve them.
Anyway, I?€™m reminded of a quaint English saying, ?€œDon?€™t count your chickens before they hatch.?€? In other words, since Korea has not elected a female president, so it is a premature declaration to say we here are the first at all.
For now, Korea and Japan remain, like the United States, a place where anybody can become the ruler, but a woman still hasn?€™t.
Correct. Furthermore, polls have shown that women dont want to vote for a woman leader (perhaps that has something to do with the rather few women in politics that display leadership qualities - but really, I dont know).
I think the best thing the Marmot can do is to take the summer off(line). He’s got a chance to be the #2 guy in the Tiger’s starting rotation if he just works on his curveball.
The Marmot has jumped the shark.
If Marmot’s regulars like talking amongst themselves so much, maybe there should just be a forum linked/connected to this site, and the comments here could be turned off. That way the chatty can chat, and those who don’t like the noise get Marmot’s wisdom unadulterated.
Well, news clippings are not exactly wisdom, but anyway, if one does not wish to read comments, it’s a simple enough matter not to click on the comments link to each post.
If Marmot?€™s regulars like talking amongst themselves so much, maybe there should just be a forum linked/connected to this site, and the comments here could be turned off. That way the chatty can chat, and those who don?€™t like the noise get Marmot?€™s wisdom unadulterated.
How much wisdom can one glean from a blogger mentioning that he’ll be busy for a few days? Considering how much folks can really dig into each other while discussing complex issues (or even the not-so-complex), I’d say that this opportunity is welcome.
Speaking of which: Dogbert (or anyone else who’s knowledgeable in the area), I’ve got a real estate question, and would really appreciate some advice. In the Songdo thread, I mentioned that my wife and I are looking to buy a new place. Well, that could happen quite soon. I?€™m non-Korean, legally residing here and working for a Korean employer. My wife is Korean, and is fully-employed as well. We already own a home, with my wife listed as the legal owner.
Is there any advantage or disadvantage (to me, or to us) if the new home is purchased in my name? Would we be taxed differently if I were the legal owner instead of her?
Any information here, from anyone here, would be much appreciated.
I may be wrong but I believe that you as a foreigner would be taxed at a higher rate and there is the annoying accompanying amount of paperwork the government would need to justify you owning it. When I looked into it, that is as far as I got before I decided that it would be easier to have my wife purchase the home.
I’m a U.S. citizen and I own my own apartment in my own name and I am taxed at the same rate as a Korean citizen.
They might decide that you and your wife are the same household and therefore your extra house within the household should be taxed higher (as second homes are for Korean nationals).
I think we should elect Hillary Clinton. She’d be a great president.
Thanks for the info. Looks as though there’s no real advantage, just the possibility of more paperwork to file. Anyway, thanks for your help.
Kushibo, for the record, US banks are a no-go for more reasons than I care to type; in Korea and even in the States. I don’t deal with them either since they are more into chiseling off a larger chunk of money while offering little for their “services”.
But HSBC is Hong Kongese! And Hong Kong is one of my favorite places!
Kushibo wrote: But HSBC is Hong Kongese! And Hong Kong is one of my favorite places!
I’d like to visit Hong Kong (never been there), but HSBC is actually British. They clearly do a lot of their business in East Asia, but their head offices are in London.
Let’s try that blockquote again:
Kushibo wrote: But HSBC is Hong Kongese! And Hong Kong is one of my favorite places!
I?€™d like to visit Hong Kong (never been there), but HSBC is actually British. They clearly do a lot of their business in East Asia, but their head offices are in London.
The Marmot may never be able to resume posting; he’s going to be too swamped just reading all the comments! (Unless he decides to just ignore them all and keep on postin’.)
Curious wrote:
I’d like to visit Hong Kong (never been there), but HSBC is actually British. They clearly do a lot of their business in East Asia, but their head offices are in London.
Hmm… I guess I was fooled by the fact that the H in HSBC stands for Hong Kong (they used to be the Hongkong Shanghai Banking Corporation, makers of much of Hong Kong’s currency).
It would make sense that they are British, though, considering that until eight years ago, Hong Kong was also British. And if I were them, I’d move to London after 1997, too.
Methinks they were always based in London. I recall a few years ago they renamed all their various national divisions (Hong Kong Bank of Canada, for example) to “HSBC” to project the image that their interest isn’t just in Hong Kong (or Shanghai).
Dogbert, why you stuck in Korea, btw?
lingering troll wrote:
Dogbert, why you stuck in Korea, btw?
Hey, now. Let’s not dogpile on Bert. I think he’s just expressing reasonable frustration about all the apparent obstacles that foreign citizens encounter here, either because of ignorance or (occasionally) animosity. While I agree that his “flight risk” and “nitwit” comments were a bit much, I don’t think he can be faulted for feeling annoyed at extra paperwork and stuff.
I certainly wouldn’t stand for a love-it-or-leave-it attitude in the U.S., so why should we here in Korea? There are some things that need fixing and it’s okay to say that.
I expect better from someone calling themselves “lingering troll” (your parents must have been cruel).
Kushibo, that’s quite a fascinating story regarding the home you bought!
I?€™m planning to hold on to it until they knock it down and rebuild it (it?€™s one of Seoul?€™s earlier ?€œ????ŒŒ??¸?€? built in 1980.
Yes, one such complex is the large mid-rise complex just east of ??±??´ (Seongnae) station on Line 2 in ?†¡?ŒŒ???. The whole huge multi-block complex (it must be one of the biggest in Seoul) was just knocked down one or two years ago. It might even have been built in the 70s. By today’s standards, most contemporary Koreans would have thought the complex subpar, but I liked it.
I had in-laws living there who then moved to a newer block nearby a few years ago. I think people were holding on to the suites until the end may have received compensation from the government, so there was an interest in sticking it out and not moving to newer accomodation.
Correction: probably it was built in the early 80s, when Line 2 was built. It’s the site that, as of six months ago, was surrounded by huge green fabric hoardings on all sides, right beside the subway station.
Oprah’s new hairstyle reminds me of smoking weed in high school.
People’s journalism for people with an agenda:
http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....90026.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7775056/site/newsweek
‘rising to the top’ newsweek international
I’m fucking bored. So what’s everyone up to?
If the thread winds down to real estate conversations that don’t focus on that sacred guano-coated parcel known as Dokto or Takeshima, it may be time to wander over to the Nomad, who’s stepped up with a second day of hard-hitting motor show coverage.
http://lostnomad.blogs.com/the......html#more
Funny how many Korean service providers automatically equate “foreigner” with “flight risk”, while willfully ignoring the fact that it is their fellow Korean citizens, such as Kim Woo Joong, who have fleeced the country of trillions of won, with which they fled overseas.
But they’re worried about us paying our phone bills.
Nitwits.
marmot, over 100 comments for a post about nothing. that’d have to make you wonder how much the actual posts contribute to the discussion here…….but don’t worry, i read your posts more than the comments.
This post is like an episode of Seinfeld!
I guess all this can be put down to YMMV. When I had an appendectomy here two years ago, I was not required to pay up front.
As for the LG Card, no, there was no guarantee by the employer in that instance.
You have an interesting point, though, hidden in your argument. You write:
(technically, this would be the case for anyone with a work visa who seeks a service in Korea, even without the company?€™s knowledge, since the visa-providing company guarantees your behavior while you?€™re here)?
If this were actually so, then wouldn’t you think that guarantee would serve to allow foreigners credit?
Mr. Marmot, the jig is up! http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....dcohen.php
We all have to be ethical from here on out…like that will ever happen
I got my current card on my own (though my wife found out about it first, then told me
The decision to set you up with a card rests with the individual who’s in charge locally. Assuming that you’ve got a job contract, and are a legal resident, you stand a good chance of approval - if they will only send in the paperwork. Most local managers doesn’t want to have their record stained by having some non-Korean (who’s paperwork they processed) default on their payments. No matter how many folks tell you ?€?no?€™, continue making the rounds and keep asking the questions. I used to have a KEB VISA that I got that way. It took a lot of perseverance; they didn’t want to do it at first.
Regarding loans: if you don?€™t locally hold assets in your own name, banks are not likely to loan to you, because you can?€™t collateralize the loan. You’ll have to deal with that anywhere.
Dogbert, why are you stuck with buncha nitwits?
Regarding loans: if you don?€™t locally hold assets in your own name, banks are not likely to loan to you, because you can?€™t collateralize the loan. You?€™ll have to deal with that anywhere.
Er, yes and no… We bought a place, and borrowed half of its selling price. The collateral to this loan is the very place we buy. Standard practice. It’s not like this place is going out of the country in my pocket…
No matter how many folks tell you ?€?no?€™, continue making the rounds and keep asking the questions.You either have lotsa free time (and I mean to be envious, not demeaning), or it’s your job to visit banks. Mine was to pester libraries. Didn’t leave me much time to do bank shopping, and a few racist [as in based on ethnicity and alleged/supposed behaviour] rejections were all I could take. Of course, by 2000 I was set up with an LG card, with a 50 mio won credit line, for what matters, and by 2001, when I traded jobs, with a corporate Visa, so I didn’t pursue the issue much any more. Of course, the credit issue in 2002 is still quite recent.
On the other hand, my bank (the same who loaned me the money for the appartment) gave a Visa Gold card to my wife the first day she set foot in the bank. One would think that everywhere in the world, spouses have the same basic rights. Apparently, not.