Comments on: Plunge Pontificates

By: Kromozone

Kromozone — Fri, 13 May 2005 03:18:04 +0000

goatse

By: anonymous

anonymous — Mon, 09 May 2005 23:22:31 +0000

Because I could not think of a better place for this… But here is one very good reason why European countries (for the most part) have come to terms with Germany’s role in the past:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05.....lo.html?hp

For all of Japan’s pain over receiving two nuclear bombs, where are the monuments to the wrong things they did? Is there anything remotely as high-profile in Tokyo?

By: James

James — Mon, 09 May 2005 22:52:06 +0000

I love Baduk?€™s argument:
1) Hitler was bad
2) Hitler brought about the economic recovery of Germany
3) Ergo we should nuke NK because sometimes good things come from bad sources
I have a hard time understanding a few things?€?
Yes, Hitler was a monster and the number of people that suffered either directly from his policies and leadership or indirectly in the aftermath of war torn Europe and the Iron Curtain. That doesn?€™t even take into consideration the millions of people that died and suffered in the concentration camps. I think in a comparison between Hitler and KJI, I have a hard time imagining Hitler being seen in any way better than KJI (with the arguable exception of his public oratory skills).
It is true that Hitler is largely credited with the development of the Autobahn and the development of the People?€™s Car (a.k.a. Volkswagen) but what ever benefits came from the Hitler?€™s very few good ideas are insignificant in light of the death and destruction he wreaked on the world. Even to argue that he united the German people is a fallacy. As a direct result of the aggression he led Germany into, large areas of what used to be Germany are now part of Poland, Holland and other countries. To this day there is a large population of displaced German speaking people in Poland and Russia as a result of the war.
Last of all, I don?€™t think I am the only one here that feels there is a lack of logical push in your argument towards the use of nuclear weapons on NK. You have not identified any connection between Nazi Germany and KJI North Korea, much less why we should use the most destructive weapon known to man on them.
Would you care to elaborate please?

By: Kushibo

Kushibo — Mon, 09 May 2005 01:17:51 +0000

Baduk wrote:
Without..without..if without..

Without Hitler, Germany would have been still paying huge amount of war reparation to Britain and France. Many Germans could be staving to death. With Hitler, some Germans have died and some had to live under Russian rule, but eventually Germans have become the powerhouse in Europe once again.

Sometimes, a bad thing can turn out good in the end. Let?€™s nuke NK.

Nora, Mae, can I pleeeeeease call him a nutjob? Pleeeeease?

Okay, maybe not. Must be civil.

Baduk, Hitlerian Germany brought the destruction of many millions of lives. Millions of people did not have to die violent deaths in order to end Germany’s economic woes.

Yes, Germany is now a powerhouse of Europe. Is that worth 6 million Jews, 2 million gypsies, millions more Russians, Poles, other Europeans, Americans, etc.?

I think your fear of thinking about the metaphysical what-if has caused you to make irrational value judgments you wouldn’t otherwise make. I realize you are probably a good guy, sincere and all that, and it’s great that you just speak your mind and say whatever comes out, but you do have to realize you just said that the deaths of many of your neighbors’ relatives back in the old country are okay since Germany came out on top in the end.

I will give you this, though. The starvation and deprivation we have seen up North probably justified coming to South Korea’s aid back in the 1950s instead of just giving in. But that’s a completely different matter from the Hitler-as-a-good-thing argument.

By: noolji maripkan

noolji maripkan — Sun, 08 May 2005 23:41:14 +0000

i wonder who you were talking about, virtual wonderer. who, indeed.

i’m not here to debate; i give my opinion and that’s that. i’m not here to convince anyone and i’m not here to plead. i’ll let those who want to take the time to debate debate. i’m not interested.

****

some facts worth mentioning:

1. korea does not owe a bit of gratitude towards japan.

2. japan does not owe a bit of gratitude towards the korea.

3. western opinion on this subject does not matter; this is an asian affair and westerners don’t have any say here.

4. said westerners focus more on the reaction than the provocation because they’re bezotted with the japanese. that’s why they try so hard to excuse japanese behavior. their subjective feelings trump the objective dead of asia.

5. japan seems to revel in antagonizng two of three countries most important to it.

6. koes does not owe japan anything but the japanese owe the koreans (and chinese) a museum and contrition.

7. any occupation by china would have be brief and fleeting. koreans don’t believe in non-violence. let’s remember 2k years, ok?

8. i think it’s funny when you guys imply or accuse others of being me.

9. perhaps everything is on purpose.

By: baduk

baduk — Sat, 07 May 2005 21:45:10 +0000

Zhang Fei,

Without..without..if without..

Sometimes, a bad thing can turn out good in the end. Let’s nuke NK.

By: Plunge

Plunge — Sat, 07 May 2005 09:33:09 +0000

More likely, considering the time period we are discussing, they would have been controlled by Russia. But, you can always hope the US would have been able to gain enough of a foothold to have kept that from happening.

By: Zhang Fei

Zhang Fei — Sat, 07 May 2005 06:11:22 +0000

Let’s face it - without Japan, Korea would just be another backward Chinese autonomous region, along with China’s Dongbei (Manchurian) region. Korea would be like Tibet, but with a lot more ice. On the plus side, the Marmot would have had much better-preserved historical sites to look at, since Korea would have been one vast open-air museum.

By: virtual wonderer

virtual wonderer — Sat, 07 May 2005 04:22:10 +0000

James,
Heh heh, Uncle Lee was meant to symbolize the Korean royalty.

and of course, my story is sort of biased, because Chulsoo had some crazy stories of his own, including lending Spike to Uncle Sam, when Uncle Sam went to collect rent from Uncle Ho.

Kushibo,
Heh heh, I just wanted to illustrate how truth is stranger than fiction. Also to show the evils of unions.

For those who couldn’t pick up my very obvious cast of characters:
Chulsoo Korea=”average” Koreans
Uncle Lee=Korean monarchy
Uncle Ivan=Russia
Uncle Sam=suredly u know
Uncle Ching=Qing China
Shack Jerry=Imperial Japan
Lulu the Cat=Comfort Women
Spike the Dog=Korean soldiers volunteersconscripts
Sherman the Dog=US military
Shrubburry infront of Chulsoo’s house=Dokdo
Subpoena=Little Boy Fat Man
Minsoo=DPRK Hanchongryun brigade

By: takeshima

takeshima — Fri, 06 May 2005 20:55:46 +0000

Takeshima, in the sea of Japan, is Japanese land.