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		<title>By: anna-karnina</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/04/28/korea-iran-get-snippy-over-visas/#comment-196871</link>
		<dc:creator>anna-karnina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea named Tehran-No one of it's famous street because in Shah'era Iran helped alot to Korea and gave lots of gratuitous loan and after that time it was a time for Korea to thank all these favor. But after after the "Islamic Revolution" in Iran they (Iranian government)did the same job and named of very small road "Seoul"... But Mingi who says that this is an "ill-suited" name for an avenue that’s considered to be South Korea’s “silicon valley" doesn't know that actually Korea owes all its raising to Middle East (specially Iran) and United States and actually the only name that suites this street is Tehran since all of this have been made by Iran's financial aid. We really have a short memory and this is a problem!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea named Tehran-No one of it&#8217;s famous street because in Shah&#8217;era Iran helped alot to Korea and gave lots of gratuitous loan and after that time it was a time for Korea to thank all these favor. But after after the &#8220;Islamic Revolution&#8221; in Iran they (Iranian government)did the same job and named of very small road &#8220;Seoul&#8221;&#8230; But Mingi who says that this is an &#8220;ill-suited&#8221; name for an avenue that’s considered to be South Korea’s “silicon valley&#8221; doesn&#8217;t know that actually Korea owes all its raising to Middle East (specially Iran) and United States and actually the only name that suites this street is Tehran since all of this have been made by Iran&#8217;s financial aid. We really have a short memory and this is a problem!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sallra Larsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sallra Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: g_travan</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/04/28/korea-iran-get-snippy-over-visas/#comment-15539</link>
		<dc:creator>g_travan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Iranian, I am sad to see relations between Iran and Korea worsen. However, I know Iranians can be opportunistic, and wish to overstay their visas. Koreans may be angry, but they should take pride that people find their country so beautiful that they would break the law to stay there. I know, I know, according to some people, Iran is a hellhole and the Iranians would go anywhere to get away. Believe that if you will, but those people usually believe anyplace outside of the US is a hellhole.

As for Zhang Fei, he uses "Han Cheng" to refer to Seoul. His narrow "New China" education has probably left him with such a poor knowledge of his own language that he believes Han refers to the Han (Chinese) people, and that "Han Cheng" means city of the Chinese. Had he any knowledge of the China of which he claims Korea was a province, he may have understood that Han, in this case, means "great" and that "Han Cheng" simply means capital city. This knowledge may have immunized him from making ridiculous claims about Korea being part of China, unless he believes that Seoul was the capital of some past Chinese empire. The truth is that the rulers of China would violently vomit at such morons, who know so little about Korean and Chinese as to put them in the same category. Anybody with the slightest knowledge of either language would laugh at this suggestion. 

Koreans, in the past, revered Chinese culture, and the people who created that culture. Thuggish morons like Zhang Fei, who sadly litter the history of all mankind were never revered by anybody, and the ascendance of such people in China means that no province of China today would wish to remain part of China if it wasn't for the PLA's tanks. And certainly, Korea, Japan and Vietnam, which once looked up to China as a paragon of learning and wisdom, look down on its present state, as represented by "nationalists" like Zhang Fei.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Iranian, I am sad to see relations between Iran and Korea worsen. However, I know Iranians can be opportunistic, and wish to overstay their visas. Koreans may be angry, but they should take pride that people find their country so beautiful that they would break the law to stay there. I know, I know, according to some people, Iran is a hellhole and the Iranians would go anywhere to get away. Believe that if you will, but those people usually believe anyplace outside of the US is a hellhole.</p>
<p>As for Zhang Fei, he uses &#8220;Han Cheng&#8221; to refer to Seoul. His narrow &#8220;New China&#8221; education has probably left him with such a poor knowledge of his own language that he believes Han refers to the Han (Chinese) people, and that &#8220;Han Cheng&#8221; means city of the Chinese. Had he any knowledge of the China of which he claims Korea was a province, he may have understood that Han, in this case, means &#8220;great&#8221; and that &#8220;Han Cheng&#8221; simply means capital city. This knowledge may have immunized him from making ridiculous claims about Korea being part of China, unless he believes that Seoul was the capital of some past Chinese empire. The truth is that the rulers of China would violently vomit at such morons, who know so little about Korean and Chinese as to put them in the same category. Anybody with the slightest knowledge of either language would laugh at this suggestion. </p>
<p>Koreans, in the past, revered Chinese culture, and the people who created that culture. Thuggish morons like Zhang Fei, who sadly litter the history of all mankind were never revered by anybody, and the ascendance of such people in China means that no province of China today would wish to remain part of China if it wasn&#8217;t for the PLA&#8217;s tanks. And certainly, Korea, Japan and Vietnam, which once looked up to China as a paragon of learning and wisdom, look down on its present state, as represented by &#8220;nationalists&#8221; like Zhang Fei.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koreans have a right to base their issuance of visa's based on the percentage of visa violations of people from a given country. Korea would do well to send a fact finding mission to Japan to ascertain the situation of Iranians in Japan, who arrived in Japan under similar circumstances to the way they arrived in Korea (and never left). However, it cant be said that the Iranians have contributed nothing - interacial porn is being produced like never before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koreans have a right to base their issuance of visa&#8217;s based on the percentage of visa violations of people from a given country. Korea would do well to send a fact finding mission to Japan to ascertain the situation of Iranians in Japan, who arrived in Japan under similar circumstances to the way they arrived in Korea (and never left). However, it cant be said that the Iranians have contributed nothing - interacial porn is being produced like never before.</p>
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		<title>By: nora sumi park</title>
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		<dc:creator>nora sumi park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zhang fei wrote:
NSP: so when people from my home country wonder how on earth some koreans and some chinese can express so much hatred toward the japanese, it?€™s a reminder that the u.s.a. was not always immune (although most in the u.s.a. have shorter memories). and it is just so vilely racist that it?€™s almost campy! and it?€™s telling you who you?€™re supposed to hate, as if you can?€™t figure out on your own who?€™s good or who?€™s bad: ?€?this is the enemy!?€™

This is Korean logic. 
no, mr. fei, it is irony, which in this case is an expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning (american heritage dictionary). 

you see, i disagree with the sentiments in the poster. by using that image, i am lampooning knee-jerk anti-japanese sentiment. sure, i am not entirely happy with a lot of things coming out of the japanese right and i support the korean government's claim to the islands (although not the diplomatic war over them), but i think the rok-'n-roh government and a number of social institutions use frustration over that issue to manipulate anti-japanese sentiment for other ends. 

i do not think japan is the enemy at all, and i think it is foolish for koreans to demonize japan. that's why it's called irony. 

She uses Uncle Sam?€™s wartime propaganda to justify Korea?€™s current obsession *today* with what happened 60 years ago.
nope. irony.

The key difference here is that the average American did not know anything about Japan 60 years ago. The idea that  American draftees should go forth and fight someone 8000 miles away was like asking them to go fight Martians. This was at a time before airliners, when travelling to the Far East meant going on an ocean liner. This is why Uncle Sam had to put out that propaganda - to get GI Joe to go fight the enemy.
hold on. are you justifying the use of racist imagery like that icon for propaganda purposes, as long as it's wartime? would such propaganda be okay now in our 'war on terror'?

The Japanese occupation has been over for 60 years, and the Korean government still wants to psych the average Korean to go fight the Japanese enemy. 
when the japanese government (this round started with the japanese ambassador to korea, not the shimane decision) is now re-asserting a claim that was enforced in part because japan had stripped korea of its national sovereignty, it is of little relevance that the war ended sixty years ago. japan still has three major territorial issues arising form its imperial past; this is just one. 

but you're right that they are going down a dangerous road for koreans and japanese if they try to depict japan as an enemy rather than simply an allied country with which the rok has a territorial dispute. 

that's why it's irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zhang fei wrote:<br />
NSP: so when people from my home country wonder how on earth some koreans and some chinese can express so much hatred toward the japanese, it?€™s a reminder that the u.s.a. was not always immune (although most in the u.s.a. have shorter memories). and it is just so vilely racist that it?€™s almost campy! and it?€™s telling you who you?€™re supposed to hate, as if you can?€™t figure out on your own who?€™s good or who?€™s bad: ?€?this is the enemy!?€™</p>
<p>This is Korean logic.<br />
no, mr. fei, it is irony, which in this case is an expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning (american heritage dictionary). </p>
<p>you see, i disagree with the sentiments in the poster. by using that image, i am lampooning knee-jerk anti-japanese sentiment. sure, i am not entirely happy with a lot of things coming out of the japanese right and i support the korean government&#8217;s claim to the islands (although not the diplomatic war over them), but i think the rok-&#8217;n-roh government and a number of social institutions use frustration over that issue to manipulate anti-japanese sentiment for other ends. </p>
<p>i do not think japan is the enemy at all, and i think it is foolish for koreans to demonize japan. that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called irony. </p>
<p>She uses Uncle Sam?€™s wartime propaganda to justify Korea?€™s current obsession *today* with what happened 60 years ago.<br />
nope. irony.</p>
<p>The key difference here is that the average American did not know anything about Japan 60 years ago. The idea that  American draftees should go forth and fight someone 8000 miles away was like asking them to go fight Martians. This was at a time before airliners, when travelling to the Far East meant going on an ocean liner. This is why Uncle Sam had to put out that propaganda - to get GI Joe to go fight the enemy.<br />
hold on. are you justifying the use of racist imagery like that icon for propaganda purposes, as long as it&#8217;s wartime? would such propaganda be okay now in our &#8216;war on terror&#8217;?</p>
<p>The Japanese occupation has been over for 60 years, and the Korean government still wants to psych the average Korean to go fight the Japanese enemy.<br />
when the japanese government (this round started with the japanese ambassador to korea, not the shimane decision) is now re-asserting a claim that was enforced in part because japan had stripped korea of its national sovereignty, it is of little relevance that the war ended sixty years ago. japan still has three major territorial issues arising form its imperial past; this is just one. </p>
<p>but you&#8217;re right that they are going down a dangerous road for koreans and japanese if they try to depict japan as an enemy rather than simply an allied country with which the rok has a territorial dispute. </p>
<p>that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/04/28/korea-iran-get-snippy-over-visas/#comment-15536</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 17:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, Zhang Fei is a Chinese pronunciation, and Jang Bi is the Korean pronunciation. (Not Jangbae as you wrote up there)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, Zhang Fei is a Chinese pronunciation, and Jang Bi is the Korean pronunciation. (Not Jangbae as you wrote up there)</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well baduk I'm sure "This is why Korea really ought to resume its existence as a Chinese province - Korean is not only just another Chinese dialect, Koreans also think like Chinese." by Zhang Fei was a wonderful statement about truth as the global world sees it?
As his statement was snide so was mine. As his statment was meant to insult Koreans I was trying to insult his intelligence by calling upon his previous childish post and the strong connotation his ID has with the concept of "stupidity." Was it a roundabout insult? Yes.(Especially due to fact that I was TUI :-)
Wwas it namecalling? No. For goodness sakes, he uses it as his ID!

And besides if you want to get back at me for the observation I made about you (couple of articles below on this blog) do it in a direct manner. (because I see more and more posters agreeing with me in their opinion about you)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well baduk I&#8217;m sure &#8220;This is why Korea really ought to resume its existence as a Chinese province - Korean is not only just another Chinese dialect, Koreans also think like Chinese.&#8221; by Zhang Fei was a wonderful statement about truth as the global world sees it?<br />
As his statement was snide so was mine. As his statment was meant to insult Koreans I was trying to insult his intelligence by calling upon his previous childish post and the strong connotation his ID has with the concept of &#8220;stupidity.&#8221; Was it a roundabout insult? Yes.(Especially due to fact that I was TUI <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Wwas it namecalling? No. For goodness sakes, he uses it as his ID!</p>
<p>And besides if you want to get back at me for the observation I made about you (couple of articles below on this blog) do it in a direct manner. (because I see more and more posters agreeing with me in their opinion about you)</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 11:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan,

You must be a worshipper of Samgugji (the history of three Chinese kingdoms).  Some Koreans use the principles from the book in everyday situations, remembering the strength and the weakness of many characters and situations they faced.

As you wrote, Zhang Fei(Jangbae) was a great warrior who lacked people skills.  However, connecting the present Zhang with old historic characters is not warranted.  Just because someone's name is Donald, should we assume he is a quack?  It does not make sense.  You comment was just an insult and nothing more.  

Even though it gave me chuckles, I hate to be the receiving end of such namecalling.  I think we should respect other people posting here.  Making fun of others with a childish analogy is hitting below the belt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan,</p>
<p>You must be a worshipper of Samgugji (the history of three Chinese kingdoms).  Some Koreans use the principles from the book in everyday situations, remembering the strength and the weakness of many characters and situations they faced.</p>
<p>As you wrote, Zhang Fei(Jangbae) was a great warrior who lacked people skills.  However, connecting the present Zhang with old historic characters is not warranted.  Just because someone&#8217;s name is Donald, should we assume he is a quack?  It does not make sense.  You comment was just an insult and nothing more.  </p>
<p>Even though it gave me chuckles, I hate to be the receiving end of such namecalling.  I think we should respect other people posting here.  Making fun of others with a childish analogy is hitting below the belt.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 09:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>corrections (oops)
After reading (the)neo...  -- take out "the"
no better then... -- change then to "than"

Too much soju and typing is bad for your grammar...
(TUI : Typing under influence)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corrections (oops)<br />
After reading (the)neo&#8230;  &#8212; take out &#8220;the&#8221;<br />
no better then&#8230; &#8212; change then to &#8220;than&#8221;</p>
<p>Too much soju and typing is bad for your grammar&#8230;<br />
(TUI : Typing under influence)</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 09:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zhang Fei in the original SanGuoZhi (Romance of the Three Kingdoms) was all muscles and no brains. His downfall was not a surprise due to his dumb mistreatment of his own soldiers. He lacked De, and I think was a sorry blood brother to both Liu Bei and Guan Yu.

After reading the neo Zhang Fei's comment up there, I guess this one's no better then the original one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zhang Fei in the original SanGuoZhi (Romance of the Three Kingdoms) was all muscles and no brains. His downfall was not a surprise due to his dumb mistreatment of his own soldiers. He lacked De, and I think was a sorry blood brother to both Liu Bei and Guan Yu.</p>
<p>After reading the neo Zhang Fei&#8217;s comment up there, I guess this one&#8217;s no better then the original one.</p>
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