That’s the Oranckay’s take on the U.S. approach to the nuclear issue.
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Asking Oranckay what he thinks of Bush’s policies is like asking David Duke what he thinks of Martin Luther King’s.
Oranckay, it has to be said, harbors a secret sexual fantasy that qualifies any opinions he gives on the nuclear crisis.
Without getting into the details, it involves Kim Jong Il donning stiletto heels and walking all over George Bush until President Chimplerburton is crushed like a cockroach.
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?™€??????! Let’s hear more of those juicy details!
Sounds kinda unfair to Bush. This coming from a Kerry voter.
Hmm. Is it just me or does NKzone seems to have been, to borrow from the Slashdot effect, “Kristofed” or “NYTimesed.”
NK nuke crisis is just a game between China and the U.S. China started the game and called the U.S. into the game. The U.S. reluctantly joined the game but not interested in playing seriously.
After all, NK nuke is not a great problem for the U.S. Even if NK has a nuke bomb, NK still does not have an accurate delivery vehicle(=missile technology). So, it won’t reach the Pacific coast. Even if they shoot one, the U.S. can track it and possibly destroy it in the flight. The U.S. like to keep this capability in secret so that the StarWars gets funded.
The U.S. met with NK several times but soon found out NK was just a peon. The real boss, China, wants something from the U.S. and the U.S. thinks NK nuke is not a real threat, i.e. China is bluffing in the poker table.
NK nuke is more of Japan’s problem. I believe SK and Japan already have nuke capability and may have built or can build nuclear device in very short time(one day). A Japanese politician said this as well. Remember a ship loaded with nuclear material disappeared in high sea? Many believe Japan got the cargo.
Japan has been paying many U.S. politicians and wants to make this INTO an American problem. Even if NK do testing on nuke bomb, the U.S. should sit tight.
The NK nuke is basically SK’s and Japan’s problem.
The U.S just wants to stop NK from spreading the technology to the middle Eastern countries, especially foes of Israel. That gave the announcement yesterday about shooting down airplanes and ships carrying nuclear material.
As long as NK keeps in NK soil (=status quo), it is non-problem for the U.S. NK is just another Parkistan.
I agree with el senor Oranckay. The past four plus years have been a joke. Little bush sitting around whining that Clinton tried to deal with JI and it didn’t work so lets all get together and talk about it is absolute nonesense. Inviting JI to watch skin-flicks together in Airforce one would have more productive. If we do the math though, I think we will all come to the same conclusion-that bush will leave office before doing anything about it. Lets hope that the next person we get in office will be a lot more capable.
Um, you’ve just compared a moderately popular, though niche blogger to the former head of the Ku Klux Klan, and President Bush to Martin Luther King. (????)
JYC–Sure, that analogy was a tad loaded. I apologize for being inflammatory. My boyfriend likes it though.
Explanation: 1. Bush is trying to do good things: promote freedom and democracy for oppressed peoples. 2. Oranckay’s judgment of Bush is clouded by prejudice and hate: O’s primary desire, as with commenter James above, is to see Bush fail.
A less loaded - and spectrum-consistent - comparison would have used LA Times columnist Robert Scheer and Cold War fighter Ronald Reagan.
Heaven forfend we upset people’s agreed-upon assumptions about the left and the right.
Anyway, hate-distorted opinions need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Bush hasn’t done anything because without support from China or SK his efforts mean squat.
Lots of people like to complain that Bush hasn’t done enough but what is it he should be doing?
As I see it, he has 3 options:
1. Military force - out of the question.
2. Give the NORKs what they want (peace treaty, guarantee not to use option 1 plus tons of aid and money). And we all know how well the NORKs respect agreements, right?
3. Try to work this out diplomatically BUT it’ll take all parties involved to make this happen. China can put more leverage on the NORKs but I don’t think they really want to break the current staus quo. IMHO, South Korea is unfortunately a non-player in this as long as the NORKs consider their southern counterpart as a bitch to slap around at will.
Well, there is another option and that’s just to ignore the NORKs completely unless they export their alleged nukes.
Asks the Nomad: “Lots of people like to complain that Bush hasn?€™t done enough but what is it he should be doing?”
If all Nomad’s answers are valid, then the real question is “why go to the UNSC now?” Why not a LONG time ago? It took forever for the Bush Administration to arrive at the 6-party idea, and it has take forever for them to realize the 6-party idea isn’t working. Now that they’re figuring that out maybe something will finally happen.
Such hate from so many above. Of me, not Bush….
I’m as pro-Bush as can be on this issue. Whatever he wants to actually do on NK he’s got my full support. UN sanctioned sanctions would be a start. Wish it hadn’t taken so long for them to talk about it.
I honestly have no idea why they’re even bringing up going to the UNSC. They may as well threaten to tell the Easter Bunny, that may have more of an effect. Washington can run to the UNSC all day long but without support of the other regional players, the point is moot.
I honestly believe Washington is caught between a rock and a hard place in a situation they helped create but have no idea how to resolve without the help of the other countries like China and dare I say it, Japan. As I stated above, South Korea really isn’t a big part of this equation, although they like to think they are - and it’s their own fault.
Oranckay said:
I?€™m as pro-Bush as can be on this issue.
That makes me the frickin easter bunny.
1. A military attack right now is not only a bad idea, but completely impossible due to the damage it would cause to the ROK.
2. Cutting a deal to give the DPRK free stuff is a bad idea, since they’ve already shown that they don’t stick to deals.
3. Considering the makeup of the Security Council, and that the UK and France don’t really care about the DPRK, the six-party talks already include the important people necessary to get something passed. Russia and the PRC’s approval is necessary.
4. Considering the insane DPRK economy and their history, it’s not clear that sanctions would have much of an effort– but again, the only sanctions that would really make a difference are from the nations involved in the six party talks.
5. The UN and the Security Council make a big fetish of negotiations. It’s helpful to show that they “aren’t working,” and it’s necessary to get a united front from the neighboring countries in order to get something actually passed.
6. When all the alternatives are unacceptable, doing nothing is sometimes the best choice.
Say the Nomad: “They may as well threaten to tell the Easter Bunny, that may have more of an effect. ”
Heck yeah! Better than what’s not happening now.
Nomad,
I absolutely agree with your assessment of the situation. And, I love your “as long as the NORKs consider their southern counterpart as a bitch to slap around” remark. Pres. Rho and all SKs should hear this.
A bitch to slap around…Nora, don’t get worked up..A bitch can be a man. The term has become gender-neutral circa 1990.
God… I guess only people who can consider themsevles pro-bush these days are people who think bombing Iraqis is a good idea.
Doesn’t matter if you are a fiscal conservative or a theocon…
Oranckay said:
Such hate from so many above. Of me, not Bush?€?
Not hate. Don’t flatter yourself.
You are the subject of this post, which automatically elevated your status to that of an expert. Then someone questioned your credibility - i.e. that you may have an overriding motivation at work, the desire to see Bush humiliated.
A fair question to ask, and something that readers here should know, if true.
Seems the truth hurts. So you call it “hate,” to instantly invalidate it. How convenient.
Next time call it “pro-Bush neocon drivel.” Or that old stand-by, “racism.” Mix it up a bit.
If you don’t think you have the overriding motivation mentioned above, ask yourself how you felt when Plamegate broke, or Abu Ghraib. Were you not hoping that Bush would be humiliated? Were you not hoping for another Watergate? The welfare of the country, and the world, be damned?
Or “theocon”!!
Thanks, virtual wonderer.
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