A couple of ‘feel-good’ stories

It’s been a little busy at Chez Marmot, although I should be back to normal posting shortly.

Anyway, a couple of decent reads a came across recently. Time’s Asian edition ran a four-page feature on Hyundai Motor CEO Chung Mong-koo and how he has managed to turn an international motoring joke into a leading global carmaker. Here’s a sample:

It should be easy enough for Cho to recognize the secret of Hyundai’s success. The South Korean company is following much the same formula that Toyota used decades ago to overcome its “cheap Asian import” stigma and become one of the world’s most respected brands. When Hyundai first entered the U.S. market in 1986, its Excel sedan–an econobox with a $4,995 price tag–was an instant hit with frugal buyers. But customers soon discovered they were getting what they paid for: Excels were prone to quality-control problems and frequently needed parts replaced. Sales tanked, and Hyundai became a laughingstock. In 1998, Late Show TV host David Letterman listed his “Top 10 Hilarious Mischief Night Pranks to Play in Space”; No. 8 read: “Paste a ‘Hyundai’ logo on the main control panel.” Says Brandon Yea, director of Hyundai’s marketing-strategy team: “The Hyundai brand was worse than nothing.”

But like Toyota, which overcame consumer prejudice in part by inventing kaizen, a manufacturing process and corporate mantra translated as “continuous improvement,” Hyundai has rapidly built up regard for its products through an almost fanatical attention to Getting It Right. Consumer Reports magazine recently named the Sonata the most reliable car in the U.S. And Hyundai rose to second place in J.D. Power and Associates’ 2004 survey of initial car quality, tied with Honda and trailing only Toyota. Six years ago, Hyundai ranked among the worst in terms of initial defects. The comeback “is astounding,” says Chance Parker, executive director at J.D. Power in Westlake Village, California. “We really haven’t documented that level of turnaround in that period of time. They’ve adopted a quality mentality they didn’t have before.”

Also of note, and featured in today’s edition of the Chosun Ilbo, was Lucent Technologies decision to name Korean-American Jeong Kim to head Bell Labs. As Lucent would put it:

Russo also announced that Jeong Kim, the former chief executive and founder of Yurie Systems, which Lucent acquired in 1998, will rejoin Lucent as president of Bell Labs. He will succeed Bill O’Shea, who is retiring after 33 years of service to the company.

“I am delighted to welcome Jeong back to Lucent,” continued Russo. “With his considerable experience, entrepreneurial spirit and proven track record in both commercializing new technology and leading high-performance technical teams, he will help ensure that Bell Labs continues to provide Lucent with a competitive advantage. I also have asked Jeong to lend his expertise and relationships with a variety of government agencies to help us grow our sales opportunities with the U.S. government.”

Kim originally joined Lucent Technologies in May 1998 when Lucent acquired Yurie Systems, a global leader in data networking access technology at the time. After joining Lucent, Kim became president of Lucent’s Broadband Carrier Networks where he oversaw the planning, administration, R&D, worldwide marketing and sales, and operations for Lucent’s carrier ATM and IP router product lines. Before leaving Lucent in 2001 to pursue other business, entrepreneurial and academic interests, Kim was head of the company’s Optical Networking Group responsible for the development, marketing and manufacturing of Lucent’s optical networking systems.

Kim’s story is truly an amazing one. The Academy of Achievement has his biography up, which is interesting enough. Even more fascinating, however, is its lengthy interview with the telecom titan. Definitely a MUST READ.

Also noteworthy was Kim’s US$2 million gift to Stanford University to create the William J. Perry Professorship on contemporary Korea. A great help at a time when some are expressing concern about the health of Korean Studies overseas.

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60 Comments

  1. Posted April 21, 2005 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    The Jeong Kim interview and biography is indeed very interesting and I would concur on the “MUST-READ” recommendation. He seems to be an antidote to some people’s constant attempts to smear all Korean immigrants as potential fifth-columnists. The anti-Robert Kim, if you will.

  2. Gravatar dogbert your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Yes, but is he more pro-American than Americans? The people want to know.

  3. Gravatar DJK your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Well, technically he is an American - and I doubt if any of the most fervently conservative GNPers are more pro-American than a guy who spent seven years in a U.S. nuclear submarine. That’s a long time to be playing hide ‘n seek with Soviet subs in the Atlantic.

    I’m always curious about the reactions from the natives of the pennisula to Ko-Ams like the good doctor. I get the feeling there is a mixture of pride and regret - i.e. “why didn’t this guy do this for the Fatherland here?” I guess the point is that even in modern day Korea, it would be damn near impossible for a runaway 16-year-old to pull off what Dr. Kim pulled off in the States. Good story, Marmot. I’m glad you exist in the blogosphere.

  4. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Yikes! Once the South Koreans start snuggling up to him and offering the little gifts — reminding him of his Confucian obligations to his “people” — he could become another pipeline of western technological secrets to China via South Korean brokers.

    South Koreans have a distinct genius in compromising upstanding and innocent Korean-Americans — they can turn an Arctic Eskimo into a Robert Kim.

  5. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Jesus, the feel good thread turns into another I hate kyopos thread. How surprising is that. Korean Americans can’t even do good without raising doubts about their loyalty. Dogbert, why don’t you ask your same question to those Korean Americans who voluntarily joined the US military who got killed in Iraq. They weren’t Americans right? Instead of whining about those damn traitors, why not just round them up.

    My rant of the day. Rant over.

    Chosun King’s last ancestor:

    http://times.hankooki.com/lpag.....811950.htm

  6. Gravatar dingles your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    SAwadong, why dont you ask yourself why a thread turns into an “i hate kyopos” thread. (not thatI feel that this thread is doing that).

    I reccomend you reread what Kyopos often say to non kyopos on the marmot hole. That might shed some light.

  7. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    dingles, “nulji” alone doesn’t make the entire Kyopo population. I hope you realize that. Also, the slagging tends to go both ways - something that a lot of you patently seem to ignore.

  8. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Robert Kim gets all the headlines, but I think it’s amazing what these guys did.

    http://www.koreamjournal.com/M.....her_figure

    http://times.hankooki.com/lpag.....311990.htm

  9. Gravatar will your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Since we’re on this page of loyal korean-americans who served the the American military. Look at this:

    On Feb 26th while on patrol, Private first class Min-su Choi of River Vale, NJ was killed when an improvised explosive device detonated.

    In memorium:

    07-dec-2004 corporal In C. Kim non-hostile vehicle accident
    06-oct-2004 private Jeungjin Na “Nikky” Kim hostile fire
    22-mar-2004 lance corporal Andrew S. Dang hostile fire
    02-jun-2004 corporal Bumrok Lee hostile fire

  10. Gravatar will your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    I forget to mention in the post above that I is the number of korean-americans who died for America…..not to mention the many who serve and are alive today.

  11. Gravatar will your flag
    Posted April 21, 2005 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    In my own personal life I know one korean-american army major, one captain, one 1st LT and one naval officer. And I’m not even mentioning any of the NCOs I know. Kypos are loyal to America and serving in the armed forces shows no better loyalty.

  12. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Hello will.

    Read this great biography. I learn something everyday.

    http://www.koreamjournal.com/M.....he_ro_hiro

  13. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    When Kim joined the 100th in 1943 for advanced training in Camp Shelby, Miss., the commanding officer told Kim he would arrange for a transfer. He assumed that the Korean would not want to serve alongside a group of Japanese.

    ?€œNo, sir,?€? Kim told the colonel. ?€œThey?€™re American, and I?€™m an American. We?€™re going to go fight for America. I want to stay.?€?

  14. Posted April 22, 2005 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    gbnhj,

    As an American of Korean descent who has lived in South Korea for a while, I agree with what you said. It’s often that South Koreans expect ‘kyopos’ to speak Korean, comply with Korean culture, and consider South Korea to be their country. If not, they tend to think you have a notable defect, despite the fact that many ‘kyopos’ have never lived in South Korea.

    Many South Koreans ask me what I think I am. When I tell them I’m American, they try to “correct” me and tell me that I’m Korean. Then when they ask, “so you think you’re Korean-American?” I tell them “no” and simply state that an American is American. The response to that is usually a lecture, including something about “hanminjok.”

    Then when I go back to New York, and my friends and I start talking about North Korea, my friends ask “what’s wrong with your government?” They’re referring to the Roh administration. But when I remind them about my nationality, they accept it, whereas EVERY South Korean who’s heard me say “I’m American” has tried to brainwash me that my loyalty lies with Korea.

  15. Posted April 22, 2005 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Jesus, the feel good thread turns into another I hate kyopos thread. How surprising is that. Korean Americans can?€™t even do good without raising doubts about their loyalty.

    That’s one reason I’m always a little nervous when doing posts like this.

  16. Gravatar gbnhj your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    What strikes me as interesting about the ‘loyalty’ question is how kyopos get it from both sides - from Koreans regarding Korea, and from non-Koreans regarding the country of a kyopo’s nationality. I am not a kyopo, and I don’t mean to speak out of turn, but more than one kyopo co-worker over the years has told me that living in Korea isn’t a perfect-fit simply because of ethnicity.

    Read the article that Sa Hwa Dong links to in #13. Young Oak Kim doesn’t just talk about loyalty, but also exemplified it in a way most of us have never had to.

  17. Gravatar dogbert your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, Mingi. You have stated far better than I could what the truth is and further, because you are an American of Korean descent, you a priori have more credibility on this issue than I do.

  18. Posted April 22, 2005 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Incidently, Korean governments behaviour concerning the Robert Kim case has been Disgraceful. Funny that Kyopo dont speak out against Robert Kim.

  19. Gravatar dogbert your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Shak, that’s because there’s something there similar to the Republicans’ “11th Commandment” — Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of a Fellow Korean.

  20. Posted April 22, 2005 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    The graph wont show up so here is the link.

    http://clashscan.hp.infoseek.c.....riyuu3.gif

  21. Gravatar jyc your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I dont think that the Koreans would be realiable citizens if the US and Korea were to become unfriendly.

    And, right on schedule, here we have another attempt to smear all Korean immigrants as potential fifth columnists. Maybe we should call this “Brendon’s Law” :-)

  22. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    President Clinton recently gave an award to a Japanese-American marine soldier who landed with co-American marines on Iowa Jima during WWII in the Pacific theater. The moment this Japanese-American soldier hit the beach — he threw away his gun — refusing to kill fellow Japanese who were firing on Americans.

    He was, therefore, used as a translator for convincing Japanese hiding in caves to come out without a fight.

    He is now considered an American hero: an “American” hero who remained loyal to his race above loyalties to his fellow Marines. Similar to the Muslim American soldier who fragged his fellow soldiers in Kuwait. A true champion of American-identity politics.

    Clinton even stated in his address that he was “moved” by this Marine’s loyalties to his Japanese brothers.

    For all you readers who desperately crave a postive spin, we don’t have to call disapproval of this fact — Brendon’s “Fifth Column” paranoia — just name it for what it is: “Blood is thicker than water”.

    Clear-eyed pragmatism requires us to consider this high achieving Jeong Kim of Bell Labs — a potential security risk for America. Why? Because American multiculturalism inherently encourages Americans to seek self-identify primarily through one’s racial group.

    American culture actually encourages people like Jeong Kim to see himself primarily as a Korean.

    But, sure we all know not to speak it out — overtly. That would be stupid.

    Now, think of the havoc if the South Korean Moonie cult preys on and takes advantage of Jeong Kim’s vulnerabilities from his rough childhood.

  23. Gravatar ariwrong your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Koreans are recent immigrants. Most are still first or second generation. It?€™s not surprising that many still have ties and feel affection towards Korea. I imagine their experience and sentiments are no different from German, Irish and Italian immigrants in the late 19th century. I am sure you can find examples of German-Americans, Italian-Americans and Japanese-Americans that sold out American interests in WWII, Irish-Americans that damaged American interests throughout the years by supporting the IRA and Jewish-Americans have been caught spying for Israel. Correct me if I?€™m wrong but I don?€™t think Korean-Americans are all that exceptional in this regard.

    I imagine the integration of Korean-Americans will be a bit slower than groups that immigrated in the 19th century because it?€™s a lot easier to stay in touch with relatives and friends from the old world now than it was in the 1800s but in several more generations, I imagine that most Korean-Americans will be as well integrated into American society as Italian and Irish-Americans are. Many of my Korean-American friends are married to a non-Korean and barely speak the language. Others are a lot more into being Korean or Asian.

    As for attitudes in Asian-American forums, you?€™re hardly talking about a random sample of Asian/Korean-Americans. Obviously it?€™s a pretty self-selecting group of people who are really into being Asian. My personal experience has been that a lot of the Asian-American forum people are people that immigrated to North America when of after they were 12. A lot of these kids have it real rough because culturally they don?€™t really fit in perfectly with either Koreans or Americans ?€? and it?€™s not surprising that these kids feel some bitterness anger towards the white establishment. Racism in the U.S. against Asians is pretty rare (at least in the Northeast where I grew up) if you ?€œfit in.?€? However, if you are FOB then all bets are off. You can forget being accepted by the ?€œcool kids?€? and even in the professional world, you?€™re at a distinct disadvantage if you want to work in corporate America. At least that was experience when my classmates and I were interviewing with i-banks and consulting firms after undergraduate b-school. In my experience, alot of the people who cling to their ethnic group in the U.S. are those people that do not feel accepted by the majority culture.

  24. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 22, 2005 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Ariwrong,

    Korean and Japanese Americans are fundamentally different from European immigrants. Why? They come from a different civilization.

    Western civilization allowed multiple layers of self-identity within the individual( family, community, state, ect) — yet, the primary identity resides in a conscience formatively constructed by Christian-Judeo principles. This is true whether one is a Christian fundamentalist or a Western atheist. These Western values allowed the individual an inner resistance to his outer environment — such as the collective, the state, dissent against totalitarianism.

    North East Asians, however, completely lack this cultural innocculation against the collective: the Asian does not have a western-styled conscience, and by default his self-identity is primarily that of his ethnic tribe.

    A Korean, literally, cannot transcend his ethnic identity.
    He is committed to the survival and gratification of the in-group above all other values.

    Korean-American immigrants perpetuate this stealth ethno-centrism in their off-spring even when living in America — and the children finds its re-inforcement in American multiculturalism.

    Korean-American animus against White and Black America, therefore, is NOT an adolescent spin-off of being unpopular in highschool.

    It’s an extension of Asian values insinuated into America.

    The Korean-American takes advantage of Western civilization’s cultural fruit … yet, remains loyal to the blood and soil of his motherland.

    A Korean will not actively fight against his motherland — if in the best interests of America.

    That is why we must pragmatically consider the Jeong Kim’s as vulnerable to seduction by South Korean handlers — who seek to bring lost Korean DNA back into it’s fold.

    Am I way off base?

  25. Posted April 23, 2005 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    in the interview, kim said, “We have two now, two little girls. I don?€™t talk about my children much. I have a security concern. I?€™m a big target. Think about it. I?€™m an immigrant, there are a lot of people who are very jealous. They shouldn?€™t be, but that?€™s the nature of human beings.”

    are the people who would do harm because he’s an immigrant necessarily the same as those who are jealous of his success? maybe, but not necessarily. i think he is right to keep his family as private as possible (look at david letterman’s recent troubles, and he’s not even an immigrant). i think a jealous korean would be just as likely to kidnap his kids or wife as a jealous caucasian, black, or other non-korean. i don’t think the worry about jealousy leading to harm to his family is necessarily playing the victim or even aimed only at non-koreans.

    if i ever become famous, i would be fiercely guarding of the privacy of my loved ones. i would also hate for anything and everything i did to become fodder for people who wanted to use me for their pro-kyopo, anti-kyopo, pro-american, anti-american, pro-korean, anti-korean, pro-sapphic, homophobic, and/or anti-short people crusade.

    and this is the reason i’m a chronic underachiever.

  26. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Nora,

    Yes, it’s taken for granted a high-profile person of success MUST take precautions.

    Jeong Kim’s insinuation, however, suggests the shadowy danger came from people who resented his “speaking funny, coupled with success”.

    Although he is an American citizen — we can clearly see he is spiritually a Korean.

    Jeong Kim, words belies his already demonstrated disposition to see the “racial other” as an inherent threat.

    We are concerned about his “vulnerability” to be seduced by those who make him feel comfortable by virtue of racial affinity.

    South Koreans — use this method on Korean-Americans with great effect.

  27. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    Are you way off base?

    Good question.

    I think I’ll let Jeong Kim answer that question himself.

    “We have two now, two little girls. I don’t talk about my children much. I have a security concern. I’m a big target. Think about it. I’m an immigrant, there are a lot of people who are very jealous. They shouldn’t be, but that’s the nature of human beings.

    Yes, just crazy letters, but that’s not unusual. If you talk to any successful people you know it happens. I stand out even more because there aren’t that many people who have created wealth as quickly as I have, and I speak funny. The positive side is that people like me remind all of us that we are a nation of immigrants and the American dream is still possible. You don’t have to be the smartest to make that happen. I think that’s a good thing for all of us. “

  28. Posted April 23, 2005 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    Regarding message #17, which I posted, Silly Sally asked me the following question on my blog (I moved the message, since it relates more to this discussion):

    “I just read your assertion on the Marmot’s blog where you declare you are an American first in loyalty and ethnic-Korean second. Does this mean you would be willing to kill South Koreans(If hypothetically you were in the USA military) — on the event South Koreans treacherously turned against America militarily — when it became time to spank North Korea?”

    I probably won’t be able to prove this to you, since I don’t even have the guts to go through basic training, but my answer is a firm “yes.”

  29. Posted April 23, 2005 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    dingles wrote:
    SAwadong, why dont you ask yourself why a thread turns into an “i hate kyopos” thread. (not thatI feel that this thread is doing that).

    I reccomend you reread what Kyopos often say to non kyopos on the marmot hole. That might shed some light.
    dingles, baduk and noolji don’t represent all kyopos or all korens. not by a longshot.

    second, a great deal of the time people who are not kyopos look at me or other kyopo posters and automatically infer from our kyopo-ness that we are holding opinions we are not. on several occasions on this blog, for example, i have been berated for holding opinions i had actually spoken out against, and i was lumped together with other kyopo posters simply because i am also a kyopo (and this hasn’t only happened with me).

    and on other occasions (including times on other blogs or lists), korea bashers or kyopo bashers immediately jump to conclusions about the motivation behind something i say. i once started to praise the 442nd (primarily japanese-american unit in wwii) and i was bashed for again taking the side of the asian americans just like all asian americans do when what i was trying to do was point out that this was an example of asian americans who saw themselves as loyal americans.

    for the record, shak, from what i know of the situation, i think robert kim is a traitor who deserved whateve punishment (short of execution) he was to get. don’t even presume to think what some alleged kyopo collective thinks about the situation.

  30. Gravatar gbnhj your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Jorge, if you check again, you’ll find that Sa Wha Dong was quoting from one of the articles upon which this thread is based - or didn’t you bother to read them before you began your rant? Not for nothing: lighten up, give everyone a chance to air a view, and - what the hell - read the articles.

  31. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    GBNHJ,

    Yikes! You are correct. Sah Wha Dong, was merely re-quoting Jeong Kim of Bell Labs. Sah Wha Dong, however, seemingly pulled that quote as a defense of Jeong Kim from any suspicions. Sah Wha Dong seems to be suggesting Jeong Kim’s words indicate Kim is unassailable to South Korean handlers — seeking to ingratiate him for access to Bell Lab tech secrets and cooperation.

    Sah Wha Dong continues to appear disingenuous.

    But, this frightens me more! Jeong Kim’s quote manifests the almost genetic Korean characterisitic of taking refuge in a subtle victim status: eg. alluding to being a successful Korean-American vulnerable to a shadowy element of racist Americans who envy him.

    What we are suggesting is that Jeong Kim is now a “key target” for Chinese agents in collusion with South Korean agents in America. Bell Labs has cutting edge technology harboring political, economic, and military punch for its beneficiaries.

    The quote from Jeong Kim now reveals that he considers himself vulnerable as a target to classist and racist Americans who envy him: any South Korean agent knows how to nurture this attitude into a “We Koreans” against the world.

    The best of us can be compromised by the Chosun Dynasty intrigues of South Koreans.

    I suggest the FBI keep close tabs on Jeong Kim — to protect him from South Korean agents in Korean-American drag.

  32. Posted April 23, 2005 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    i don’t think that’s it at all, jorge. it’s a fact of life for any asian american that no matter how well they speak english, no matter if they were born in the united states, or even if their family had been in the u.s. for over a hundred years, there is a sizable number of people who see asian americans, as non-white and not even black, as outsiders, people hijacking the american dream with hard work or affirmative action, etc., etc. (i don’t think it’s a majority, though).

    kim’s a realist for thinking that way. i’m a realist for knowing that there are not just a few people like that out there. does me thinking that make me vulnerable to korean operatives trying to get me to betray my country in the name of helping the motherland?

    i would laugh in their face, then report them. then collect the reward. then buy a house in tuscany.

    recognizing that non-whites in america experience prejudice in america does not make one less american, less patriotic, or more vulnerable to being caught up in espionage.

  33. Posted April 23, 2005 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    is bell labs/lucent in california, the same california where a majority of white voters decided, in a public referendum, to get rid of affirmative action, many of them (according to a los angeles times poll) because they thought there were too many asians in the public university system?

    sorry, jorge, but if you think there aren’t any non-asians in america who have an us-versus-them attitude when it comes to the perceived success of asian americans as a group, then you are mistaken.

  34. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    “on the event South Koreans treacherously turned against America m
    militarily”

    This is a hypothetical question that will never happen. The day S.Koreans turn against America militarily will be the end of their trading status and end of their economy and their way of life. Even the dumb lefties don’t think like that. Only when pigs fly. Either some people have serious mistaken ideals about Korean nationalism or it’s more of Korea bashing pure and simple.

  35. Gravatar Sa Hwa Dong your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Yes, Jorge, we’re all here conspiring and meeting to figure out a way to steal secrets from secret CIA, you want to know our secret Kyopo hand shake?

  36. Gravatar Jose Cuervo your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Jorge, you’re “Silly Sally” aren’t you?

  37. Posted April 23, 2005 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    shwadong, you’re drunk! don’t tell jorge the secret kyopo handshake or we’ll have to kill you again.

  38. Gravatar Jose Cuervo your flag
    Posted April 23, 2005 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    How many times have you killed him before?

  39. Posted April 23, 2005 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    not enough.
    ;)

  40. Posted April 24, 2005 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Nora:

    are the people who would do harm because he?€™s an immigrant necessarily the same as those who are jealous of his success?

    One of the sad truths of the immigrant experience is that just as the fellow countrymen in the new country represent the greatest lifeline, they are also just as likely to be the greatest danger. In my hometown of St. Louis, there is a very large Bosnian Serb immigrant population. (in the 1990s as the wars were going on in former Yugoslavia, I saw a sign advertising the annual “Serb Fest!” and wondered how much fun it could be). These days there are a large number of home invasions — of Serbs, by the Serbs, for the Serbs! The chief of police says if you’re not a Serb don’t really worry about becoming a victim since they seem only to target each other.

    When I was in Seattle, this same phenomenon was observable in the Korean community, although the crime was mostly swindles and embezzlement-related. People are people, even though they have different traits and characteristics.

  41. Posted April 24, 2005 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    that was kind of what i was getting at, brendon (but you knew that).

    i don’t know how true it is, but in sexual violence awareness courses and seminars, they frequently throw around stats that, within the united states, the vast majority of sexual assaults (something well beyond 90%) are intra-racial. caucasians assaulting caucasians, blacks assaulting blacks, hispanics assaulting hispanics, and asians assaulting asians.

    crime often requires opportunity, and those who would do crime are going to have an easier time targeting someone with a similar linguistic and cultural background, particularly if the perp or the victim is less than perfect at the dominant language of the area.

    and then there is the issue of class envy that pervades much of the leftist press in korea. blame the rich seems to be a mantra of some groups in korea. granted, some of the economic elite are responsible for this, with corruption, tax evasion, and bribery major means for having gotten rich in the first place, but there are plenty of people who got rich through their own hard work, good timing, and/or luck and have done nothing illegal or unethical to get what they have.

    anyway, such people can easily become targets for some of those who see themselves as less well off because they are victims of outside forces. sociopaths who see themselves as such victims can easily make the leap that the rich or privileged deserve to be taken down. (just the other day, afn radio was playing ‘lifestyles of the rich and the famous,’ which says of the rich and the famous, ‘i think we should rob them’).

    dr. kim is not an idiot and he almost certainly knows that a disgruntled korean or kyopo is as much a threat to him as anyone else, if not more so. i do think that’s what the second half of his choppy sentence was referring to (or at least including).

  42. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 25, 2005 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    After our dialectic discussion, its appears we have all reached the consensus that Jay Leno learned the hard way: “Thou shalt not satire an ethnic Korean.”

  43. Posted April 25, 2005 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    huh? yours was satire?

    is it still satire if it’s free or irony or wit?

  44. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 25, 2005 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Yes,

    It’s hilarious satire: make a critique of a Korean-American — and watch everyone turn silent or an hysterical apologist.

    It’s like pointing out the “Doctor” Martin Luther King plagiarized his doctoral dissertation and was an adulteror: you get the sounds of crickets or death threats.

    It’s delicious irony — a true “feel good” posting for its humor.

  45. Posted April 25, 2005 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    but if you really believe what you’re posting in your rant, then it’s not satire.

    reading what you wrote, you do seem motivated more by an intense dislike of kyopos (note jorge: that does not include a death threat) than an attempt to give us all a good belly-laugh.

    but what do i know? the hive master never taught me how to interpret humor.

  46. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Nora,

    In reality I don’t have a deep animosity against Kyopos.
    I can make a legitimate case about the peculiarities of Asian-Americans … and still create irony.

    Irony is pointing out absurdities from a transcendent perspective that can be free from hatred or sympathy.

    The humor is to see an intolerant white blogger attempt to affect “tolerance” by giving a token tribute to ethnic success stories. A true red-flag indicating someone simmering with “White Guilt”.

    Then, when someone points out that the model minority isn’t perfect … we get a curious “lock-jaw” or diversions from the whites … and hysterical defensiveness from the minorities.

    To smoke-out the irrational back-door religion of the Marmot and others is intrinsically humorous.

  47. Posted April 26, 2005 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    so you don’t actually believe any of the stuff you wrote (except the part about it being satire)?

  48. Posted April 26, 2005 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Jeez, I just thought Jorge’s stuff was all so stupid that it would be best to stay away.

  49. Gravatar Art Garfunkel your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Jorge, you are “Silly Sally” aren’t you? Get thee behind me, Satan!

  50. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Nora,

    Brendon Carr and his ilk dismiss these ideas as stupid to ward off feeling insulted, and often sensing impending humiliation and mental bankruptcy, the indoctrinated Brendon rejects the revelations of wise dissenters.

    Many forms of corruption in Korean-Americans come to be considered unthinkable, so that the very act of accusation is itself the confession of a transgression against the standards of decency (effectively, of ?€œthought crime?€?) often treated more harshly than the corruption itself.

    Brendon actually “stays away” because he IS stupid.

  51. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Silly is the Whore of Babylon: and my girlfriend.

  52. Gravatar gbnhj your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I just thought Jorge’s posts were too wierd, and didn’t want to get involved. I also thought that Nora dealt with things really well - don’t think that I could have done as good a job…

  53. Gravatar Jose Cuervo your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    “Jorge” come out of the closet! You do have a distinctive style, from your years teaching at the kindy hakwon, no doubt!

  54. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    gbnhj,

    There is nothing “weird” about the following statement:

    “Clear-eyed pragmatism requires us to consider this high achieving Jeong Kim of Bell Labs ?€” a potential security risk for America. Why? Because American multiculturalism inherently encourages Americans to seek self-identify primarily through one?€™s racial group. Jeong Kim of Bell Labs is a prime target for South Korean seduction.”

    You may disagree, but there is nothing “weird” about it.
    The creepy crawly weird-effect is your own indoctrination experiencing ego-dissonance … an unpleasant side-effect of deprogramming that makes people like Brendon retreat back into his comfortable Old-Time-Religion.

  55. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    “Outing” someone without their consent … is rude.

  56. Gravatar Jose Cuervo your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Jorge, one does not need to be in a strange land to experience ego dissonance: Silly Sally, for example, was an exile in Korea, alienated by a masculine language and culture which only recognised the feminine in its divergence from a masculine norm. Her only solution was to become “Jorge,” an intellectual cross-dresser. Ahaha ha ha ha

  57. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Silly Sally is a sweet girl … when she wants to be.

    Sally thrives in a male culture … her looks have completely spoiled her… she is a complete pathological narcissist and eats men for breakfast.

    But, granted Sally often likes to wear pants and a tie … and smoke a cigar. Just to show who is in charge.

  58. Posted April 26, 2005 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Sally thrives in a male culture ?€? her looks have completely spoiled her?€? she is a complete pathological narcissist and eats men for breakfast.

    But, granted Sally often likes to wear pants and a tie ?€? and smoke a cigar. Just to show who is in charge.
    this sally person is intriguing. i’d like to subscribe to her newsletter.

  59. Gravatar Jorge your flag
    Posted April 26, 2005 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Nora,

    I am not sure if you are a woman or man; if woman, be warned… she is a queen bee: she demands submission from not only men, but her female side-kicks.

    Everything revolves around Silly Sally.

    Just one indication of disloyalty … and she completely annihilates. If you are a natural worshipper… she will accept you into her court. She will reward you with her left-overs: men seeking emotional healing after encounters with her.

    If you can nurture her left-overs … you will find lots of men to cry on your shoulder… and manipulate for yourself.

    Some say they have had spontaneous mystical flashes revealing Silly Sally with snakes growing from her head.

    It’s best to run from her … curiousity kills.

  60. Posted April 26, 2005 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Bye, Jorge.

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