Comments on: Mungyeong Sae Jae through Kim Yeong-taek’s pen

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By: umetaro

umetaro — Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:52:44 +0000

Does “everyone is lying to me” count as a “critical eye?”

I guess I could find a local university with Jstor access. I hate stepping onto college campuses now. Like I need another reason to feel old and fat.

By: Jing

Jing — Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:39:11 +0000

I’m afraid not, the only copy I’ve seen was at my university library and if you want a copy but can’t find it, you will most likely have to buy a custom print of it ($$$). If you have academic database access, you can search journal archives such as Jstor for anything pertaining to 16th century Korea and you may come across some relating to the Imjin war. If none of those options are available, then at the very least remember to keep a critical eye when reading popular history.

By: WJK

WJK — Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:12:59 +0000

Thank you for posting pictures. I remember being more or less forced to walk this as part of boy scout activities during grade school. I think we walked the whole thing.

Righteous Army does sound kind of funny, but I think it is the correct translation based on the Chinese characters. It is basically an army of civilian volunteers, trying to protect the country from an invasion. Although…I do believe that some of these were raised to rebel against the government.

By: umetaro

umetaro — Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:32:17 +0000

Do you know how I can get ahold of that? You’re right about it being rare… scholarship in english even rarer. Take what you can get from as many sources as possible, y’know.

By: The Marmot

The Marmot — Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:30:52 +0000

umetaro — Chungju Castle is the walled town on the other side of the Sae Jae. It is not the Sae Jae pass, but one wonders if the writer simply confused the two. Gen. Shin did, however, give up Chungju Castle as well, preferring to fight outside the town walls on the open ground of Tangeumdae, which was not only a shitty place to fight, but also a cool place to watch ROKAF F-16s closeup as they approach the airbase across the river.

In fairness to Shin, there are several explanations offered for his decision to give up the Sae Jae. One was that by the time he got into position with an army, the Japanese has already reached the bottom of the pass. Another was that Shin was a good general, but he was also a cavalry man whose previous combat experience was wooping up on nomadic tribes to the north. Sitting behind fortifications wasn’t his sort of thing. Perhaps he wasn’t the right guy for th job. And, of course, there was the fact that he was playing with an inexperienced army in a must-win situation, so perhaps he though placing them in a spot where they had to fight or die would provide some extra incentive to his men.

There is also a legend, however, that provides an explanation to Gen. Shin’s decision. But, as they say, that will have to wait for later.

By: Jing

Jing — Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:55:37 +0000

I hope you aren’t reading any works by Stephen Turnbull Umetaro. Honestly scholarship on late 16th century NE Asia is rare, but there are some alternatives, such as “Dimensions of Korea’s Imjin War”.