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Pete over at Oranckay.net wrote a rather long post on Korea’s ethnic Chinese minority that makes for an educational read. So read it.
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Pete: So now Korea wants to bulldoze a whole neighborhood and build a Chinatown to attract investment and tourism, a “development project” largely initiated by Koreans? Maybe the idea looks impressive to Chinese investors from other countries but for those who’ve always been here it looks to me like something close to an insult and it comes way too late. Some Chinese might come and they might call it a “Chinatown” (’????????????,’ the loan word from English, like they do now for the one in Incheon) but that’s not what it will be in the traditional sense of the word in English as it will lack culture and history, and because Korea will only take “investors” and not the “immigrants” that would create a community in the area. But what kind of developer really wants that anyway?
Korea has driven out its ethnic Chinese, and now wants to create a Potemkin village of a Chinatown? For what? To stoke Chinese hatred of Korea? Big mistake. Let sleeping dogs lie. Koreans may have a rising appreciation of China, given the Korean worship of success coupled with its traditional fear of Chinese power. But the Chinese still think of Korea as a stinking little tributary state that, almost alone among the East Asian nations, drove its Chinese minority out of the country. Best for Korea not to revive old resentments.
gee, korea almost as bad as the us with it’s treatment of the chinese.
‘koreans admire our chinese success.’
well, i don’t. how do you explain that?
‘korea is a backwater…’
well, no, i believe that would be china, still very much a third world place. sorry.
I have to say Stoolji, that I am amazed and astounded by the new levels with which you are able to purposefully miscomprehend simple English.
p.s. You do realize Zhang Fei is not Chinese don’t you? Quite the contrary, you would be hard pressed to find anyone more anti-Chinese than Zhang Fei the consumate neo-con nationalists.
‘you do know zhang fei is not chinese, don’t you?’
i don’t read his posts too often as i usually skip them. and as far as my english and the like, don’t worry about it since i can comprehend and understand english as any native speaker does since i am one.
don’t read my posts if you don’t like what i write.
I think there is an impasse in communication. You have displayed an ability to “read” English but apparently remain unable to fire the proper neurons in your brain to truely understand what is written and are instead manufacturing dialogue to go along with your impulses. Honestly I don’t agree with most of Zhang Fei’s assessment, primarily in his categorization of all Chinese despite varying diasporas as a single monlithic political culture. In all honesty most Chinese, baring those who actually lived in Korea, are almost certainly not even aware of persecution of Chinese during the Park era in Korea nor would such a grievance gain much traction in today’s political climate when there are more pressing concerns(taiwan) and older grievances(japan) that are already on the table.
Be that as it may, even barely articulate criticism seems to have passed you by and petty rhetorical sniping appears to be your weapon of choice. So be it, I’ll leave you to wallow in your own little “Corean” bubble.
i understand english just fine, jing. so do the folks at fox and npr. use that mega brain of yours to understand that.
i’ve been thinking quite a bit about the chinese in the last few months; trying to sort out my very complex feelings about them. i’m moving towards simply ignoring them as i have concluded that i really don’t care for chinese things anymore. i don’t like their food- it’s bland and all the same wherever you go. i don’t like their art- korea and japan have done a much better interpretation than the chinese themselves have done-man, all that red and gold. it looks cheap. i don’t like their language as it’s one of the ugliest in the world. all that shing shing shang shang. i’m moving to simply turning my back of mr and mrs fong.
i can’t imagine why korea would WANT to create a chinatown. why not a vietnamtown instead?
Making a Chinatown from scratch, minus Chinese culture and history, is little more than building an amusement park with a Chinese theme. There will be nothing authentic about it in terms of it being “Chinatown”. This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding - or consideration - of how and why ethnic or national communities develop, which is a little odd considering Koreatowns in LA, NYC or Toronto developed as might be expected (ie organically). On the other hand, maybe this shouldn’t be too surprising as the Chinese weren’t exactly encouraged to settle and prosper here. (Had this been the case, I dare say they would now own a big chunk of the ROK.)
“What little is left of Incheon’s Chinatown is especially nice…” is what I said, and you show me anywhere else on the whole peninsula where you can find the same kind of architecture. And it’s the Chinese community there, compared to other cities though I guess Seoul comes in a close second, that sets it apart.
The boardwalk-like “upgrade” is not impressive, but at least they won’t be tearing down the old buildings like they used to now that it gets to be a toursit-trap.
Before we trash Korea too much for cheapening history, I think it’s necessary to remember that Disney almost built a theme park on top of Gettysburg.
i understand english just fine, jing. so do the folks at fox and npr.
Ah, but you share a logic impairment with them, Noolji.
i??ve been thinking quite a bit about the chinese in the last few months; trying to sort out my very complex feelings about them.
Hahaha. It’s funny how you don’t see how ridiculous that, and your other statements are. Their food sucks and is the same everywhere? Really? That’s not my experience. Their art sucks? Really? Their language is the ugliest in the world?
Which art? Which food? (There’s a bunch of different cuisines, unless you just mean the Korean version of Chinese food, which, I agree, sucks.) Their language? Which one? Seems to me as if you’re dismissing a whole collection of cuisines, dialects, art traditions, and cultures all in one fell swoop.
And it rings a bell when I hear local talk of an English village, complete with all kinds of “English culture” attractions, and I quip that none of the foreigners I know are English (ie. British). Candu is quite right to note that real “ethnic enclaves” aren’t “created” in this way. When they’re created by top-down initiatives, we tend to call these sorts of places “ghettoes” or “amusement parks” depending on how nice they are and whether people have to live there or are free not to do so.
Korea has done a lot of “cheapening history” and as Mr. Neff says, “Korea has really dropped the ball in regards to preserving it,” but in the case of Korea’s Chinatowns it would be an understatement to say that’s a little bit of an understatement, since we’re talking about what was for decades of a subtle, passive-agressive form of ethnic cleansing. Korea certainly didn’t drop the ball in getting most of the Chinese to leave, and that’s what the goal was. You might say Korea dropped the ball when it came to finishing off the job. But yeah, Mr. Neff is right as far as the principle result of it.
I should note that there’s more to the Chinatown in Incheon than on the main “boardwalk.” Neighborhood events at the school there are rich in many ways (sociolinguistically, for one, the mix of Korean and Chinese) but are also just plain fun.
Pabsthooligan - love the name. I fully agree with you and you gave an excellent example. To get on the subject about how America destroys its own historical sites out of the desire to make some bucks would be in a whole different post and the examples that you could give would be in the tens and hundreds. I think it is a shame that we lose so much history in the pursuit of the dollar or through technology and improvements. However, the subject in this post is Korea -
Oranckay - (kind of hard to put a Mr. in front of that)….. I think maybe I did speak a little too strongly on the subject, but it is one of my pet peeves. I think that it is great that there is this little Chinese section that people can go to and emerge themselves into the Chinese atmosphere per se. I think that it is important to remember that there are these little enclaves all over Korea - not just for the Chinese but for the Russians, French, some of the nationalities that are here on the work/trainee programs have their particular areas that they gather in, the Muslims in Itaewon, and so on, but none of them are really treated in the same manner that this China-town in Incheon is being treated. I don’t like the idea that it is “historical” (not your quote - but that is the way I perceive it when I hear of it from other people and sources). I think it would be nice if the Incheon government would maybe designate the whole area as a historical site - try to rebuild or protect the Japan-town that was located next to the China-town (yes - not a very politically correct thing to say in Korea right now) along with part of the general foreign settlement there.
The historical center in Incheon is collecting a lot of information and pictures, and there are some very knowledgable people here in Korea - mainly Koreans but also a surprising number of Westerners (Norman Thorpe comes to mind) who could add some of thier own expertise to the restoration of the historic area.
Again - nothing really against the China-town district- I think it is great that there are all these events there and that it is a great place to visit. I had some excellent Chinese food at a place near the station.
Did I really say “emerge themselves”? Ha ha…… is there an English teacher out there willing to help this native-speaker with such poor writing skills?
Oohhh, Nut-ji!!! I feel the same way about Koreans the way you do about Chinese!!
They have turned this precinct called Ampang,near the Twin Towers, in Kuala lumpur, into a little Korea and it’s just dreadful, dreadful, cherie!
I had lunch there at a Korean restaurant one day and I plan to repeat the experience only at the pain of death…Korean food, arghhh!!!
And someone came home from a Seoul trip and recounted the horrors of chocolate kimchi and cheese kimchi!
The whole convuluted relationship between Korea and China is summed up pretty well here (scroll down to “lecture three”):
http://www.geocities.com/volod.....korhis.htm Now, world history is not my strong suit–I just like this gentleman’s writing because it’s in plain English.
‘which culture? there are many in china…’
maybe so, but i’m talking about the ones who use all that red and gold, you know, the han. their art is grand but grandiose. it’s tacky and upon close inspection, ugly. jst look at their love of collages.
‘which language?’
well, any language we can call ‘chinese’. mandarin, fukinese, cantonese, hakka. all of it absolutely ugly.
‘which food?’
well, the food they sell here. all of it the same with the menus printed by the same comapny. bland and uninteresting.
‘i’m japanese and i….’
who cares what you think?
You guys must be eating some crap Chinese food. The Chinatown here in Houston has some really delicious restaurants - you just have to look in the right places.
Actually Jing I think you are giving Nulji exactly what he wants - I don’t think he really believes a lot of what he spouts - he is just looking for controversy and desires to keep an on-going flame-fest because I think he is just bored. I am pretty sure if I had posted the same comment that he had that he would have turned around and attacked me for being a White-trash racist….. We all live in our own little worlds - wishing you a happy one
The San Gabriel Valley near Los Angeles is Chinese food paradise–they have everything. Szechuan! Fantastic food! God I’m tired of jjajang myun!
‘he’s just bored…’ robert neff
still waiting for more posts from you that revolve around genitalia and the like. i noticed you stopped that once i gave you a good reading. anyway, wishing you the best in your little world.
‘many chinese words in korean..’
yeah those words are really korean since no chinese would ever understand them as they are pronounced according to the rules of korean phonetics. chinese is ugly because it’s tonal and has a limited number of sound possibilites. when i was a kid, i used to wonder why the common stereotype of chinese was ‘hong-chong-ching-chong’. but when i actually started to study chinese, i understood why. mandarin chinese uses ‘ching’ ‘chang’ ’shir’ so often that you could be forgiven if you concluded that the entire vocabulary of chinese consisted of those words.
‘haven’t heard all the chinese dialects…’
i’ve heard the major ones-mandarin, cantonese, fukinese, hokka. none of them pleasant to the ear. why not tell us which one of the chinese languages actually has a lyrical quality?
‘houston has some great chinese restaurants..’
yeah? you should try the vietnamese ones there.
Jing - I don’t know how far back the Marmot’s archives go, what with all the changes he’s gone through, but if you go back to the Shin Jong Il days of Nulji, you’ll find that you’re kind of wrong. Nulji didn’t just verge into being an ass this week — he’s been an ass since at least 2003.
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