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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: umetaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>umetaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"some say Okinawans aren??t Japanese"

Describing an Okinawan as Japanese is like describing a Scot as an Englishman.  If you think Koreans are pissed at Japan, you should meet my grampa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;some say Okinawans aren??t Japanese&#8221;</p>
<p>Describing an Okinawan as Japanese is like describing a Scot as an Englishman.  If you think Koreans are pissed at Japan, you should meet my grampa.</p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uri assemblyman Kim Won-wung is a total buffoon 
&lt;a href="http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=200312223" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=200312223&lt;/a&gt;
who should never be paid much attention to. I've heard that he actually asks his aides each morning, "what were the netizens saying over night?". All politicians calculate their moves to score the most popularity but the stunts he pulls are just clownish. Anytime there's an issue most of the country's pissed about expect him to come up with something stupid to say. Or do, and indeed, sometimes he does do some amusing tricks for the cameras.

While of course more sound than Japan's claim to Dokdo, any Korean claim to Tsushima/Daemado at this point in history would not be persuasive, even to most of the Korean public. There is a famous song, . loved by the bite-your-finger-and-write-in-blood types who protest about Dokdo. At one point the words go like this: "????????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????????" = "Hawai'i is American land; dunno about Daemado, but Dokdo is Korean land."  Little do they know that there is some question about whether Hawai'i really should belong in the US, but as you can see the generally accepted view among Korea's most passionate defenders of Dokdo is that the same kind of claims can't be made about Daemado/Tsushima. The words and music are here:
&lt;a href="http://www.edutimes.co.kr/Service2/up/netizen/netizen_hotissue.htm?BoardID=193MakeAct=READcid=52numbering=49CurPage=2whereStr=" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.edutimes.co.kr/Service2/up/netizen/netizen_hotissue.htm?BoardID=193MakeAct=READcid=52numbering=49CurPage=2whereStr=&lt;/a&gt;

While I don't need any more convincing that Tsushima/Daemado belongs to Japan, I must say that the argument that the residents were "always Japanese" and "spoke Japanese" is only a demonstration of ignorance about language and ethnicity. Throughout most of human history the dialect spoken by the people on that island cannot have been understood by most of the people residing in what we now call "Korea" and "Japan." It's not like Jeju was speaking what we know as Korean until recent decades, or that people in Edo/Kyoto/Tokyo always understood Okinawan or the dialects spoken on "Japanese" islands farther off than that. For that matter, some say Okinawans aren't Japanese (&lt;a href="http://www.okinawa.com/faq.html#TargetThree)" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.okinawa.com/faq.html#TargetThree)&lt;/a&gt; or at least weren't for most of history. Similarly, the people on Tsushima/Daemado are who they are but they naturally get thrown in with the country that has held it and fed them standardized education/television. That country has not been Korea, so "Dokdo is Korea's, but dunno about Daemado."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uri assemblyman Kim Won-wung is a total buffoon<br />
<a href="http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=200312223" rel="nofollow">http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=200312223</a><br />
who should never be paid much attention to. I&#8217;ve heard that he actually asks his aides each morning, &#8220;what were the netizens saying over night?&#8221;. All politicians calculate their moves to score the most popularity but the stunts he pulls are just clownish. Anytime there&#8217;s an issue most of the country&#8217;s pissed about expect him to come up with something stupid to say. Or do, and indeed, sometimes he does do some amusing tricks for the cameras.</p>
<p>While of course more sound than Japan&#8217;s claim to Dokdo, any Korean claim to Tsushima/Daemado at this point in history would not be persuasive, even to most of the Korean public. There is a famous song, . loved by the bite-your-finger-and-write-in-blood types who protest about Dokdo. At one point the words go like this: &#8220;????????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????????&#8221; = &#8220;Hawai&#8217;i is American land; dunno about Daemado, but Dokdo is Korean land.&#8221;  Little do they know that there is some question about whether Hawai&#8217;i really should belong in the US, but as you can see the generally accepted view among Korea&#8217;s most passionate defenders of Dokdo is that the same kind of claims can&#8217;t be made about Daemado/Tsushima. The words and music are here:<br />
<a href="http://www.edutimes.co.kr/Service2/up/netizen/netizen_hotissue.htm?BoardID=193MakeAct=READcid=52numbering=49CurPage=2whereStr=" rel="nofollow">http://www.edutimes.co.kr/Serv.....2whereStr=</a></p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t need any more convincing that Tsushima/Daemado belongs to Japan, I must say that the argument that the residents were &#8220;always Japanese&#8221; and &#8220;spoke Japanese&#8221; is only a demonstration of ignorance about language and ethnicity. Throughout most of human history the dialect spoken by the people on that island cannot have been understood by most of the people residing in what we now call &#8220;Korea&#8221; and &#8220;Japan.&#8221; It&#8217;s not like Jeju was speaking what we know as Korean until recent decades, or that people in Edo/Kyoto/Tokyo always understood Okinawan or the dialects spoken on &#8220;Japanese&#8221; islands farther off than that. For that matter, some say Okinawans aren&#8217;t Japanese (<a href="http://www.okinawa.com/faq.html#TargetThree)" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.okinawa.com/faq.html#TargetThree" rel="nofollow">http://www.okinawa.com/faq.html#TargetThree</a>) or at least weren&#8217;t for most of history. Similarly, the people on Tsushima/Daemado are who they are but they naturally get thrown in with the country that has held it and fed them standardized education/television. That country has not been Korea, so &#8220;Dokdo is Korea&#8217;s, but dunno about Daemado.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 05:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koreans plan to take over Tsushima.
&lt;a href="http://www.hanbitkorea.com/html/daemado_002.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.hanbitkorea.com/html/daemado_002.html&lt;/a&gt;


"Everyone must be aware that, by construction, Wikipedia is NOT an authoritative source. Especially, articles about Korea are fiercely disputed. It??s a mess."
Those guys are from VANK.
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<a href="http://www.hanbitkorea.com/html/daemado_002.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hanbitkorea.com/html/daemado_002.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone must be aware that, by construction, Wikipedia is NOT an authoritative source. Especially, articles about Korea are fiercely disputed. It??s a mess.&#8221;<br />
Those guys are from VANK.<br />
Cyber terror organization<br />
<a href="http://www.prkorea.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.prkorea.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamel wrote: "This is from one of the best internet resources around: &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_province" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_province"&lt;/a&gt;

Everyone must be aware that, by construction, Wikipedia is NOT an authoritative source. Especially, articles about Korea are fiercely disputed. It's a mess.

About the post at Japundit, it says: "Great Britain colonized the United States for more than 150 years", which is a nonsense: the British (and the French and the Spaniards) colonized a territory which was not the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamel wrote: &#8220;This is from one of the best internet resources around: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_province" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_province" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_province</a>&#8220;</p>
<p>Everyone must be aware that, by construction, Wikipedia is NOT an authoritative source. Especially, articles about Korea are fiercely disputed. It&#8217;s a mess.</p>
<p>About the post at Japundit, it says: &#8220;Great Britain colonized the United States for more than 150 years&#8221;, which is a nonsense: the British (and the French and the Spaniards) colonized a territory which was not the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: non korean</title>
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		<dc:creator>non korean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to look it up but wasn't a treaty already signed over all islands except Dokdo/Takeshima?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to look it up but wasn&#8217;t a treaty already signed over all islands except Dokdo/Takeshima?</p>
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		<title>By: 863475960650392</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does it mean to say "Tsushima was Japanese?"  Just how close was Tsushima to Japan, considering the disunity and regionalism of the Japanese feudal era?  The island has always been the way-point between Korea and Japan, and a notorious base for the Wae pirates... and the Wae pirates apparently included no small number of Chinese and Koreans.  Yes, King T'aejo and Sejong both invaded the place, but neither left a military presence on the island to secure it and "incorporate" it into Korea.  IF THEY HAD, then Tsushima would be "Korean" today....

But they didnt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to say &#8220;Tsushima was Japanese?&#8221;  Just how close was Tsushima to Japan, considering the disunity and regionalism of the Japanese feudal era?  The island has always been the way-point between Korea and Japan, and a notorious base for the Wae pirates&#8230; and the Wae pirates apparently included no small number of Chinese and Koreans.  Yes, King T&#8217;aejo and Sejong both invaded the place, but neither left a military presence on the island to secure it and &#8220;incorporate&#8221; it into Korea.  IF THEY HAD, then Tsushima would be &#8220;Korean&#8221; today&#8230;.</p>
<p>But they didnt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is pretty much firmly established historically speaking, that the Japanese have always inhabited Tsushima. Heres a good overview of the issue over at Koreaweb. &lt;a href="http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/koreanstudies_koreaweb.ws/1998-October/001038.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/koreanstudies_koreaweb.ws/1998-October/001038.html&lt;/a&gt;

Apparently in the Chronicles of Wei from the 3rd century CE, a Chinese ambassador makes mention that the locals use the same titles as the "Wa" do on the main islands. Tsushima, Japanese for 1700 years and counting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is pretty much firmly established historically speaking, that the Japanese have always inhabited Tsushima. Heres a good overview of the issue over at Koreaweb. <a href="http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/koreanstudies_koreaweb.ws/1998-October/001038.html" rel="nofollow">http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/k.....01038.html</a></p>
<p>Apparently in the Chronicles of Wei from the 3rd century CE, a Chinese ambassador makes mention that the locals use the same titles as the &#8220;Wa&#8221; do on the main islands. Tsushima, Japanese for 1700 years and counting.</p>
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