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The editorial mentions Murayama’s apology, but the LDP members (who rule today) made it clear they did not support it. LDP members said Murayama’s verbal apology was not an official statement of apology.

That’s one reason Koizumi’s recent apology is significant, because it follows the same wording of Murayama’s ten years earlier, and it is being touted as “official,” although nearly 100 members of the LDP visited Yasukuni Shrine that same day the apology was announced. This is the problem that the Asahi Shimbun is talking about.

Furthermore, why can’t Japan’s government apologize to Korea, China, Philippines, Vietnam….etc…for its past warcrimes. I am very disappointed everytime a sex slave, forced labor or a family member traumatized …lose a lawsuit against the Japanese gov because they use the 1952 Treaty of Peace as an excuse to weave their way out of this issue.

Recently, Japan’s right approved a newly revised textbook claiming not only the Dokdo Islands, but also the Diaoyutai Island and the Kuril Island to belong to them.

I just hope Japan’s right-wing numbskulls know that peeving Korea, China and other neighbors in the area will make them the loser in the long run.

Why? Because Japan recognized them time and time again, in writing, as Korean territory when they were not occupied. It did so in in at least in 1692, 1866, 1876, and as late as 1877, only to turn around and claim it in 1905. That’s right, after saying they belonged to Korea in 1877 it said it was Japanese 28 years later. Some say, and flame me to death if you can’t handle being otherized but mostly Westerners say, that Japan had the right to claim it in 1905 because it was unoccupied. I can see how someone versed in Western law would think so, but we need to remember that those bird poop covered rocks weren’t inhabited in 1877 either, or any of the many years Japan stated they were Korean in years prior to that. So, why, prior to 1905, did Japan say they were Korean when it shouldn’t have to for lack of inhabitants, sometimes going so far as to inform Korea of its position (that they were KOrean) and prohibiting Japanese from fishing there? Because traditionally, both Korea and Japan did not believe you had to inhabit an island to claim it. Japan recognized them as Korean and Korea recognized them as Korean and accepted Japan’s position without them ever having regular inhabitants. To say those uninhabited rocks were Korean in 1877, then claim them in 1905 and say in 2005 that it could claim them in 1905 because they were unoccupied and, finally, to say they are “historically” Japanese is a bunch of bull.

Some will say that those historical Japanese statements of Korean ownership were about Ulleungdo and not the rocks. Now, I think it’s pretty clear that both sides always considered the rocks to be associated with Ulleungdo and admit to suspecting anyone who suggests otherwise of lying , at least to himself, but lets entertain that idea for a moment. For some of the years Japan said the island(s) were Korean, Ulleungdo and the little sub-islets near it Ulleungdo was not “officially” inhabited (though I just have to believe some number of people were living there nonetheless). So, even if we assume that the Japanese were talking about Ulleungdo and we exclude the rocks in quesotin from that, Japan was on some occasions recognizing an uninhabited island (Ulleungdo) as Korean, so again, the “we (Japan) annexed Takeshima in 1905 because it was uninhabited” argumetn is nonsense, at least as far as the “uninhabited” part is concerned.

I am of the position that Japan’s 1905 claim is a confession of guilt more than anything else given the stranglehold Japan already had on Korea at the time. I mean that if Japan had some serious claim originating in some earlier century the issue would probably be above my head and I wouldn’t see an important connection between the islets and the colonial occupation, but saying they innocently took the rocks when Japanese military police were patrolling the streets of Seoul with regular police powers is IMHO just an admission that Japan took them as part of the process of eating the whole peninsula, and actually is why I think the issue symbolically important - for Japan “as a whole” it seems to me to almost be an inability to come to terms with past agression. I’ll argue that some other day at some other place, but for now let me also say that I also recognize that for individual Japanese I can see how they would think the islands belong to Japan and don’t think any Japanese person who says as much is as sick as one who says, for example, that the comfort women were actually having fun or something like that.

Thanks for using the name “Liancourt Rocks” to make it seem you are not a Korean nationalist. That and the neutral tone of your post make me a believer.

So Silla conquered the Liancourt Rocks in 512? Interesting. And after the Sillalites stormed the beaches of Liancourt, exactly how many people did they find living there?

1) The Liancourt Rocks (I only use that name so that I don’t seem like a Korean nationalist) were first granted to the Ooya and Murakawa families of Hoki Province (modern-day Tottori Prefecture) by the Tokuwaga Shogunate in the 1650’s under the name Matsushima.

1)) Unfortunately for Japanese right-wing politicians, this claim is FALSE. Koreans has already conquered the Liancourt Rocks in 512, when Shilla subjugated the island kingdom Usan-guk to its rule. Furthermore, the Tokuwaga Shogunate confirmed Korean rule over the islets in 1697, making the 1650’s presentation of the Liancourt Rocks to the Ooya and Murakawa families void.

2) The Liancourt Rocks were a terra nullius when incorporated as part of Imperial Japan on February 22nd, 1905 by Shimane Prefecture, as requested by a Japanese fisherman.

2)) Again, FALSE. As mentioned earlier, Korea already owned the islands in 1905, as generously admitted by the Tokuwaga Shogunate in 1697 and confirmed by Emperor Kojong of the Korean Empire in 1900. In addition, this particular claim would be contradictory to the Japanese argument itself, since Japan claims to have given the islets to the Ooya and Murakawa families in the 1650’s. As you may or may not know, the Latin term “terra nullius” means an ownerless land, thus showing that if (this is IF) the islets has no owner before 1905, then the claim that the islets were given to the Ooya and Murakawa families nearly three centuries previously is again, void and null. Either that, or the entire claim that the islets were a terra nullius is one big fat LIE.

Even when that stupid air-head Brigitte Bardot made inane comments on dog-meat eating and Koreans, the “frenzy” didn’t last much longer than the after-meal burp. I remember laughing out loud with friends on one of her comments: “No single French person would eat dog meat!”. This dog-meat Frenchie had to disagree…

As for history and the ????????????, if you know what I am talking about, oh well, good for you.