Comments on: Yulla in the Kyunghyang Shinmun http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:35:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: david ahms http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10887 david ahms Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:37:13 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10887 RACISTS!!! I have also worked as a fitness model- and you may say who cares? I worked on many home shopping channels- and then one day the producers told me they could not use me anymore because "korean people do not want to see korean women in excersize wear next to caucasian men- its bad for business"- I cannot believe the racism in this country- you'll notice there are usually no white males- especially with korean women- I stay here so that one day I may seek revenge RACISTS!!!
I have also worked as a fitness model- and you may say who cares? I worked on many home shopping channels- and then one day the producers told me they could not use me anymore because “korean people do not want to see korean women in excersize wear next to caucasian men- its bad for business”- I cannot believe the racism in this country- you’ll notice there are usually no white males- especially with korean women- I stay here so that one day I may seek revenge

]]> By: gordsellar http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10886 gordsellar Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:35:13 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10886 Well, Brendon, objectification becomes a problem when it never goes past that, a fact to which anyone who's been treated like a mere object can attest. Hey, wait, didn't Kant write that somewhere? I suspect you and Nora/Juan are using different senses of the word: you seem to mean it as, the object of my attractions, whereas they seem to mean it as treating someone as a "mere object", more specifically as a mere sex object. Just as instincts have been delivered unto usby God, by evolution, potayto, potahtoso have the ability to converse, to relate to other humans as human beings, and to forge relationships been delivered unto us. There is a difference between an exotic-looking partner and a blow-up doll or battery-powered accessory, to be explicit. I agree with Nora and Juan that attraction to the exotic and "objectification" in the second sense I mentioned do not necessarily go hand in hand; but I think that to the degree the exotic is fetishized, it can serve as an impediment to moving beyond "mere objectification" to anything resembling a real relationship. Which is not a comment on the wedding of this Yullalacking a TV, I know nothing about her. It's more of a general observation. Well, Brendon, objectification becomes a problem when it never goes past that, a fact to which anyone who’s been treated like a mere object can attest. Hey, wait, didn’t Kant write that somewhere? I suspect you and Nora/Juan are using different senses of the word: you seem to mean it as, the object of my attractions, whereas they seem to mean it as treating someone as a “mere object”, more specifically as a mere sex object.

Just as instincts have been delivered unto usby God, by evolution, potayto, potahtoso have the ability to converse, to relate to other humans as human beings, and to forge relationships been delivered unto us. There is a difference between an exotic-looking partner and a blow-up doll or battery-powered accessory, to be explicit.

I agree with Nora and Juan that attraction to the exotic and “objectification” in the second sense I mentioned do not necessarily go hand in hand; but I think that to the degree the exotic is fetishized, it can serve as an impediment to moving beyond “mere objectification” to anything resembling a real relationship.

Which is not a comment on the wedding of this Yullalacking a TV, I know nothing about her. It’s more of a general observation.

]]> By: Brendon Carr http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10885 Brendon Carr Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:07:22 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10885 How can "objectification" be the problem? It's the normal way that sexual relations actually work, the way that God delivered them to us in the form of our instincts and desires. Man see, man want. Woman see, woman want. Oooh, who is *that* exotic creature? How can “objectification” be the problem? It’s the normal way that sexual relations actually work, the way that God delivered them to us in the form of our instincts and desires. Man see, man want. Woman see, woman want. Oooh, who is *that* exotic creature?

]]> By: Juan http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10884 Juan Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:46:53 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10884 Nora sorry for the late reply and the misunderstanding ;-) I agree, "objectification" is the problem. Nora sorry for the late reply and the misunderstanding ;-) I agree, “objectification” is the problem.

]]> By: The Marmot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10883 The Marmot Wed, 09 Mar 2005 14:10:27 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10883 Nora -- don't let people taking things the wrong way bother you too much. Tends to happen from time to time around here. P.S. -- as for the lewd comments you referred to elsewhere, I get hit with a ton of spam. I'm able to catch most of it, but some still gets through anyway. Nora — don’t let people taking things the wrong way bother you too much. Tends to happen from time to time around here.

P.S. — as for the lewd comments you referred to elsewhere, I get hit with a ton of spam. I’m able to catch most of it, but some still gets through anyway.

]]> By: nora sumi park http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10882 nora sumi park Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:32:49 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10882 i think i'm going to have to stop posting anywhere, because people keep taking what i say the wrong way. i did not mean this to 'put down' korean or japanese men in any way. i only meant that it's a common thing, apparently. being attracted to someone who is exotically different is probably a natural thing. when this turns into objectification or is taken to some other extreme (like you mention), that's a completely different matter, but attraction to exotic features and objectification do not necessarily go hand in hand. i think i’m going to have to stop posting anywhere, because people keep taking what i say the wrong way.

i did not mean this to ‘put down’ korean or japanese men in any way. i only meant that it’s a common thing, apparently. being attracted to someone who is exotically different is probably a natural thing. when this turns into objectification or is taken to some other extreme (like you mention), that’s a completely different matter, but attraction to exotic features and objectification do not necessarily go hand in hand.

]]> By: Juan http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10881 Juan Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:45:40 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10881 Nora all human beings crave for something different. They call it "exotic." Asian males find western females exotic, western males find asian females exotic, and probably (I am not female so can't be sure) it is the same with many females of both the west and east (at least to a lesser extent). Let's not put down Japanese or Korean man merely for the pervasive human nature in desiring to experience "new" and "different" = exotic. Though I do admit many here and in Japan do take it to the extreme (we usually call them perverts) so do a lot of males (and probably some females) in the west. (Or how do you explain the Thai phenomenon?) Anyway I myself don't condone these Korean men living their fantasy our either, but to go further I disagree with male of female buying sex Period. But that's my own moral view, which I enforce (unsuccessfully) to those only around my own immediate circle of influence. Meaning I agree with everything you're saying :-) except for putting down the fantasy part. Let all men/women have their fantasy, let them even enjoy them, its the ACT that we will discuss and try to judge. Nora all human beings crave for something different. They call it “exotic.”
Asian males find western females exotic, western males find asian females exotic, and probably (I am not female so can’t be sure) it is the same with many females of both the west and east (at least to a lesser extent).
Let’s not put down Japanese or Korean man merely for the pervasive human nature in desiring to experience “new” and “different” = exotic.
Though I do admit many here and in Japan do take it to the extreme (we usually call them perverts) so do a lot of males (and probably some females) in the west. (Or how do you explain the Thai phenomenon?)

Anyway I myself don’t condone these Korean men living their fantasy our either, but to go further I disagree with male of female buying sex Period. But that’s my own moral view, which I enforce (unsuccessfully) to those only around my own immediate circle of influence.

Meaning I agree with everything you’re saying :-) except for putting down the fantasy part. Let all men/women have their fantasy, let them even enjoy them, its the ACT that we will discuss and try to judge.

]]> By: nora sumi park http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10880 nora sumi park Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:08:48 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10880 the russian women on korean cable shopping channels is an old phenomenon by now. in fact, if i leave my car in shinchon or hongdae too long, it is plastered with those little girlie hotline adverts, some of which tell me they can hook me up with the russian tv models. so many korean men, like their japanese counterparts they loathe, secretly (nowadays not so secretly?)have a white girl fantasy, and the ubiquitous russian women are actually making it come true, or at least attainable, for some average cholsu's. could this be what kim youngsam had in mind with globalization? np the russian women on korean cable shopping channels is an old phenomenon by now. in fact, if i leave my car in shinchon or hongdae too long, it is plastered with those little girlie hotline adverts, some of which tell me they can hook me up with the russian tv models.

so many korean men, like their japanese counterparts they loathe, secretly (nowadays not so secretly?)have a white girl fantasy, and the ubiquitous russian women are actually making it come true, or at least attainable, for some average cholsu’s.

could this be what kim youngsam had in mind with globalization?

np

]]> By: SamHam http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10879 SamHam Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:59:18 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10879 its all smoke and mirrors... Iv'e worked with her before, and she is far from attractive. Some real skin problems there, her Korean is ordinary at best... guess thats why she got married, so she can get plenty of work on mbc...haha its all smoke and mirrors… Iv’e worked with her before, and she is far from attractive. Some real skin problems there, her Korean is ordinary at best… guess thats why she got married, so she can get plenty of work on mbc…haha

]]> By: Thorin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/08/yulla-in-the-kyunghyang-shinmun/#comment-10878 Thorin Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:24:04 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1461#comment-10878 She almost looks Korean in that wedding shot. She almost looks Korean in that wedding shot.

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