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	<title>Comments on: VANK takes aim at British Museum, Piccadilly Circus</title>
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		<title>By: Kotaji</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/03/vank-takes-aim-at-british-museum-piccadilly-circus/#comment-10641</link>
		<dc:creator>Kotaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops... should be 'suzerain' in first line.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230; should be &#8217;suzerain&#8217; in first line.</p>
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		<title>By: Kotaji</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/03/vank-takes-aim-at-british-museum-piccadilly-circus/#comment-10640</link>
		<dc:creator>Kotaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Chos?n was (by my definition) in a vassal-suxerain relationship with the Ming and then Qing dynasties. But let's not misunderstand what this means - it should not imply in any way that Chos?n wasn't independent of China in almost every way. This relationship operated mostly on an ideological level (although of course it was still a very powerful factor in shaping the course of Korea's history). 

I think part of the problem here is that these vank people and perhaps the contributor above, are confusing this type of relationship with modern ones such as colonialism or client state type relationships. This is completely different to the meaning of vassal state in the context of the premodern East Asian (Sino-centric) world order.

Having discussed this issue with a friend the other day, I did concede that perhaps this sort of statement about the history of Korea should be 'hedged' or contextualised so that people don't make the same mistake. I can't remember the actual context of the reference to Chos?n as a vassal in the BM Korea gallery. Since I work pretty much next door I'll go and have a look in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Chos?n was (by my definition) in a vassal-suxerain relationship with the Ming and then Qing dynasties. But let&#8217;s not misunderstand what this means - it should not imply in any way that Chos?n wasn&#8217;t independent of China in almost every way. This relationship operated mostly on an ideological level (although of course it was still a very powerful factor in shaping the course of Korea&#8217;s history). </p>
<p>I think part of the problem here is that these vank people and perhaps the contributor above, are confusing this type of relationship with modern ones such as colonialism or client state type relationships. This is completely different to the meaning of vassal state in the context of the premodern East Asian (Sino-centric) world order.</p>
<p>Having discussed this issue with a friend the other day, I did concede that perhaps this sort of statement about the history of Korea should be &#8216;hedged&#8217; or contextualised so that people don&#8217;t make the same mistake. I can&#8217;t remember the actual context of the reference to Chos?n as a vassal in the BM Korea gallery. Since I work pretty much next door I&#8217;ll go and have a look in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/03/vank-takes-aim-at-british-museum-piccadilly-circus/#comment-10639</link>
		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orankay, I think the better comapriason would be if everyone called it the "Pakistani Ocean"  THAT would give the Hindus the fits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orankay, I think the better comapriason would be if everyone called it the &#8220;Pakistani Ocean&#8221;  THAT would give the Hindus the fits!</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/03/vank-takes-aim-at-british-museum-piccadilly-circus/#comment-10638</link>
		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?????????? said: korea was a vassal of china in name only.

Wrong. Korea WAS a vassal state. Korea paid tribute to China (including sending virgin women) and the Korean King put his forehead to the ground every year to the emissary send from China. The Korean King wore red because only the Chinese emperor could wear yellow. The Korean state philosophy was Confucianism because the Chinese told them to adopt it. Old Korean flags have the characters 'vassal state of China' in them. Koreans used to have an 'Arc of Gratitude' to the Chinese before they got independence (secured by Japan). Then they turned it into the independence gate - independence from what? China!

??????????, you are a kyopo with a seriously warped sense of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?????????? said: korea was a vassal of china in name only.</p>
<p>Wrong. Korea WAS a vassal state. Korea paid tribute to China (including sending virgin women) and the Korean King put his forehead to the ground every year to the emissary send from China. The Korean King wore red because only the Chinese emperor could wear yellow. The Korean state philosophy was Confucianism because the Chinese told them to adopt it. Old Korean flags have the characters &#8216;vassal state of China&#8217; in them. Koreans used to have an &#8216;Arc of Gratitude&#8217; to the Chinese before they got independence (secured by Japan). Then they turned it into the independence gate - independence from what? China!</p>
<p>??????????, you are a kyopo with a seriously warped sense of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Pabsthooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pabsthooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hardy har har, Oranckay.
Take out Sri Lanka, you still got an ocean.
Take out Japan, you ain't got no sea.

Now granted, take out the Indian Subcontinent and its still oceans aplenty, but doesn't this mean that the name "Sea of Japan" is even more apt that "Indian Ocean" or "the English Channel?"

How about the Adriatic Sea? It only belongs to the Sons of Atreus!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hardy har har, Oranckay.<br />
Take out Sri Lanka, you still got an ocean.<br />
Take out Japan, you ain&#8217;t got no sea.</p>
<p>Now granted, take out the Indian Subcontinent and its still oceans aplenty, but doesn&#8217;t this mean that the name &#8220;Sea of Japan&#8221; is even more apt that &#8220;Indian Ocean&#8221; or &#8220;the English Channel?&#8221;</p>
<p>How about the Adriatic Sea? It only belongs to the Sons of Atreus!!!</p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone said "Can somebody PLEASE point out to Koreans that the Indian Ocean does not belong to India?"

Bet India would be pretty pissed if everyone started calling it the Sri Lankan Ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone said &#8220;Can somebody PLEASE point out to Koreans that the Indian Ocean does not belong to India?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bet India would be pretty pissed if everyone started calling it the Sri Lankan Ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: ???????????</title>
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		<dc:creator>???????????</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vank's right on the money since calling korea a vassal of china doesn't tell the full story. here's the real story:

korea was a vassal of china in name only. 

now, would it have been hard to write it like that? simply calling chosun a vassal implies that korea was just a province of china which it was not. 

'facts, much like laws don't mean a thing..'

i'll bet you're a bush supporter, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vank&#8217;s right on the money since calling korea a vassal of china doesn&#8217;t tell the full story. here&#8217;s the real story:</p>
<p>korea was a vassal of china in name only. </p>
<p>now, would it have been hard to write it like that? simply calling chosun a vassal implies that korea was just a province of china which it was not. </p>
<p>&#8216;facts, much like laws don&#8217;t mean a thing..&#8217;</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll bet you&#8217;re a bush supporter, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Loco</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/03/vank-takes-aim-at-british-museum-piccadilly-circus/#comment-10634</link>
		<dc:creator>Loco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Like the bible saying, "Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches." 

If you make friends with a foreign friend, 
World 6 billion people will love my friend's country, Korea. 

If you make friends with a foreign friend, 
70 million of Korean people will love my friend's country, Korea. 

Then the Korea, the country where we can share Dreams, Friendships with the rest of the World, will be come true.

1. What is VANK?

VANK stands for "Voluntary Agency Network of Korea". VANK were established on January first, 1999, by a christian who have a vision which could change Korea significantly.
By now we consist of more than 13,000 volunteer people."


Huh?  What was that about them studying English too much?  What the heck are they saying?  All I know is 13,000 people are doing it...  I read someone on some blog (see how specific I am?) talking about Korean Christian missionaries teaching people to become as much Korean as they do Christian (something about Mexican kids memorizing the dwen-jang commandments).  I don't know if that's true, but I can't see why a Christian organization sees it necessary to teach the world to "recognize Korea as their friendly country like an intimate friend."  
"...more essential problem is that foreigners don't love Korea."  Hmmmmmm....  Well, presonally, I love it here~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like the bible saying, &#8220;Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches.&#8221; </p>
<p>If you make friends with a foreign friend,<br />
World 6 billion people will love my friend&#8217;s country, Korea. </p>
<p>If you make friends with a foreign friend,<br />
70 million of Korean people will love my friend&#8217;s country, Korea. </p>
<p>Then the Korea, the country where we can share Dreams, Friendships with the rest of the World, will be come true.</p>
<p>1. What is VANK?</p>
<p>VANK stands for &#8220;Voluntary Agency Network of Korea&#8221;. VANK were established on January first, 1999, by a christian who have a vision which could change Korea significantly.<br />
By now we consist of more than 13,000 volunteer people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?  What was that about them studying English too much?  What the heck are they saying?  All I know is 13,000 people are doing it&#8230;  I read someone on some blog (see how specific I am?) talking about Korean Christian missionaries teaching people to become as much Korean as they do Christian (something about Mexican kids memorizing the dwen-jang commandments).  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s true, but I can&#8217;t see why a Christian organization sees it necessary to teach the world to &#8220;recognize Korea as their friendly country like an intimate friend.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;more essential problem is that foreigners don&#8217;t love Korea.&#8221;  Hmmmmmm&#8230;.  Well, presonally, I love it here~</p>
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		<title>By: Giant Panda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giant Panda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez Yangster, I thought my social life was poor, but yours is positively autistic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez Yangster, I thought my social life was poor, but yours is positively autistic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ????</title>
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		<dc:creator>????</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VANK RULEZ. Judging from the poll on the main Arirang TV site (bottom left) they're going to recruit all the SE Asian fans of POPS IN SEOUL to evangelize in the name of Our Lord Tangun.

Speaking of Arirang, the dude who hosts the weird Quiz Champions show (where Korean kids compete against other Korean kids - definitely VITAL for for those watching Arirang hoping to gain insight into Korean culture) was the featured bachelor du jour on Singles In Seoul the other day. He was as exciting on that program as he is on his show. Meaning "not".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VANK RULEZ. Judging from the poll on the main Arirang TV site (bottom left) they&#8217;re going to recruit all the SE Asian fans of POPS IN SEOUL to evangelize in the name of Our Lord Tangun.</p>
<p>Speaking of Arirang, the dude who hosts the weird Quiz Champions show (where Korean kids compete against other Korean kids - definitely VITAL for for those watching Arirang hoping to gain insight into Korean culture) was the featured bachelor du jour on Singles In Seoul the other day. He was as exciting on that program as he is on his show. Meaning &#8220;not&#8221;.</p>
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