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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s March First again - where&#8217;s that Proclamation?</title>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/03/02/its-march-first-again-wheres-that-proclamation/#comment-10594</link>
		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question and a comment:

There seems to be an interesting relationship between the death of ???? and the 1919 independence movement.  A lot of the activity that year appears to have been an outpouring the wake of his passing.  Also, the ????? ???? ?????? ????? (provisional gov't) was formed that year in Shanghai.  In the latter case, were the people involved hoping to restore ????穫 ???? (the Korean Empire) while ???? was still alive, then proclaimed the former ????? ???? as a republic (????) after his death?

Regarding the 60-year cycle (???? ?????/????????), it worked like this: each year (?????/?, for example), is named by 2 characters.  The first character is one of the "10 heavenly stems" (????/????); the second is one of the 12 zodiacal signs or "earthly branches" (????/????), I believe they're often called in English.  The first year in the cycle is ????? (???), a combination of the first heavenly stem and the first zodiacal sign.  (1984 was the last ?????? year.)  From there, the ???? proceed in six ten-year cycles and the ????? proceed asynchronously in five twelve-year cycles.  ?? and ??? coincide again every sixty years.  Just as many modern events (????? ????, ?????? ??????) are named for the date they started on, many more historical events are named for the year they occurred in.  So there's the ???? (????) ?????, the reforms of 1895; and the ?????? (??) ???? in 1905, when Korea became a Japanese protectorate.

Many ????? ?????? (at least those by ???? ????) have a table of the ?뢮?? ?????.  A good exposition on it in English is in the appendix to Paul H. Crane's book Korean Patterns, published by the Royal Asiatic Society.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question and a comment:</p>
<p>There seems to be an interesting relationship between the death of ???? and the 1919 independence movement.  A lot of the activity that year appears to have been an outpouring the wake of his passing.  Also, the ????? ???? ?????? ????? (provisional gov&#8217;t) was formed that year in Shanghai.  In the latter case, were the people involved hoping to restore ????穫 ???? (the Korean Empire) while ???? was still alive, then proclaimed the former ????? ???? as a republic (????) after his death?</p>
<p>Regarding the 60-year cycle (???? ?????/????????), it worked like this: each year (?????/?, for example), is named by 2 characters.  The first character is one of the &#8220;10 heavenly stems&#8221; (????/????); the second is one of the 12 zodiacal signs or &#8220;earthly branches&#8221; (????/????), I believe they&#8217;re often called in English.  The first year in the cycle is ????? (???), a combination of the first heavenly stem and the first zodiacal sign.  (1984 was the last ?????? year.)  From there, the ???? proceed in six ten-year cycles and the ????? proceed asynchronously in five twelve-year cycles.  ?? and ??? coincide again every sixty years.  Just as many modern events (????? ????, ?????? ??????) are named for the date they started on, many more historical events are named for the year they occurred in.  So there&#8217;s the ???? (????) ?????, the reforms of 1895; and the ?????? (??) ???? in 1905, when Korea became a Japanese protectorate.</p>
<p>Many ????? ?????? (at least those by ???? ????) have a table of the ?뢮?? ?????.  A good exposition on it in English is in the appendix to Paul H. Crane&#8217;s book Korean Patterns, published by the Royal Asiatic Society.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Pak Chung Hee started using ?橫T??angi?? - or T??angun Years - in the 1970s I believe, and thats where this ??year 4252?? stuff comes from."

But that doesn't explain how that year got used on a document that was verifiably written in 1919. So unless President Park had a secret time machine (and he had a secret nukes project, so I won't say it's impossible) then the usage must predate Park by some decades at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pak Chung Hee started using ?橫T??angi?? - or T??angun Years - in the 1970s I believe, and thats where this ??year 4252?? stuff comes from.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t explain how that year got used on a document that was verifiably written in 1919. So unless President Park had a secret time machine (and he had a secret nukes project, so I won&#8217;t say it&#8217;s impossible) then the usage must predate Park by some decades at least.</p>
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		<title>By: 863475960650392</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 05:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea really only has 700 or 800 years of history.

Whats the oldest Korean book? Samguksagi - compiled in the late 1200's by Kim Pu Shik.

Whats the oldest significant Korean text?  Kwanggyet'otaewangreungbimun (Gravestone inscription of the Great King Kwanggyet'o)  from AD 391.  Koreans detest this text (and implausibly claim it is partially fraudulent) because it contains the story of Paekje allying Japan against Koguryeo.

Whats the oldest mention of Korean-like people in any ancient book?  Samgukji  (Three [Chinese] Kingdom's History) from sometime between AD 233-297, written by a Chinese guy.

Where does the "5000 years of history" claim come from?  Late 19th/early 20th-century nationalist readings of the Samgukyusa (again compiled in late 1200s) passage which discusses the founding of Kochosun (Ancient Chosun) by a guy named T'angun who lived for over 1000 years.  Pak Chung Hee started using "T'angi" - or T'angun Years - in the 1970s I believe, and thats where this "year 4252" stuff comes from.

Wow, Korea is really weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea really only has 700 or 800 years of history.</p>
<p>Whats the oldest Korean book? Samguksagi - compiled in the late 1200&#8217;s by Kim Pu Shik.</p>
<p>Whats the oldest significant Korean text?  Kwanggyet&#8217;otaewangreungbimun (Gravestone inscription of the Great King Kwanggyet&#8217;o)  from AD 391.  Koreans detest this text (and implausibly claim it is partially fraudulent) because it contains the story of Paekje allying Japan against Koguryeo.</p>
<p>Whats the oldest mention of Korean-like people in any ancient book?  Samgukji  (Three [Chinese] Kingdom&#8217;s History) from sometime between AD 233-297, written by a Chinese guy.</p>
<p>Where does the &#8220;5000 years of history&#8221; claim come from?  Late 19th/early 20th-century nationalist readings of the Samgukyusa (again compiled in late 1200s) passage which discusses the founding of Kochosun (Ancient Chosun) by a guy named T&#8217;angun who lived for over 1000 years.  Pak Chung Hee started using &#8220;T&#8217;angi&#8221; - or T&#8217;angun Years - in the 1970s I believe, and thats where this &#8220;year 4252&#8243; stuff comes from.</p>
<p>Wow, Korea is really weird.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paradoxically, I was pleased that this Proclamation was dated by the correct Korean Year (1919= 4252), while also disappointed that it contains the popular meme "Korea has 5000 years of history", which is absurd and just makes Korea's overseas PR look bad when it is claimed.  I had actually thought that this 5000-year claim had originated with the Park Chun-hee dictatorship in the 1970s, in open imitation of the Japanese fascists; I was surprised when I found that was included in this 1919 Declaration...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paradoxically, I was pleased that this Proclamation was dated by the correct Korean Year (1919= 4252), while also disappointed that it contains the popular meme &#8220;Korea has 5000 years of history&#8221;, which is absurd and just makes Korea&#8217;s overseas PR look bad when it is claimed.  I had actually thought that this 5000-year claim had originated with the Park Chun-hee dictatorship in the 1970s, in open imitation of the Japanese fascists; I was surprised when I found that was included in this 1919 Declaration&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can memorization lead to internalization?  France has just (reluctantly) voted to make schools teach their own national anthem, La Marseillaise.  Indeed, a very brave and compelling war song.  How has it served them since the Revolution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can memorization lead to internalization?  France has just (reluctantly) voted to make schools teach their own national anthem, La Marseillaise.  Indeed, a very brave and compelling war song.  How has it served them since the Revolution?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the informative links! 
By the way, I saved the 3.1 day google logo.  anyone who wants it, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative links!<br />
By the way, I saved the 3.1 day google logo.  anyone who wants it, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wooj: you're showing your age. When I asked 6 college students today whether they'd had to memorise it they told me no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wooj: you&#8217;re showing your age. When I asked 6 college students today whether they&#8217;d had to memorise it they told me no.</p>
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		<title>By: gumbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gumbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you back, limping like a beat dog, but your back.

Anyways I did a little history research with my students anbout Samil Day, or 3, 1 day. Check it out at my site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see you back, limping like a beat dog, but your back.</p>
<p>Anyways I did a little history research with my students anbout Samil Day, or 3, 1 day. Check it out at my site.</p>
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		<title>By: wooj</title>
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		<dc:creator>wooj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in high school, the ???????????????? was one of those texts (like the ??????????, ????????????, etc.) in the ????? textbook that everyone had to memorize word for word, including the ?????, definitions, etymologies, etc. in order to answer the test questions. It's been more than ten years, but I still remember the first few words: ????? ?????? ???...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school, the ???????????????? was one of those texts (like the ??????????, ????????????, etc.) in the ????? textbook that everyone had to memorize word for word, including the ?????, definitions, etymologies, etc. in order to answer the test questions. It&#8217;s been more than ten years, but I still remember the first few words: ????? ?????? ???&#8230;</p>
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