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		<title>By: chocola</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/01/14/english-spectrum-gate-continues/#comment-93901</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone as describing about 'how to molest a child', wouldn't it needs to be investigated whether the person is a real threat? I currently live in Canada, someone who posts this kind would be in a big trouble. Why not in Korea?

Most Korean people including myself aren't against foreigners for no reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone as describing about &#8216;how to molest a child&#8217;, wouldn&#8217;t it needs to be investigated whether the person is a real threat? I currently live in Canada, someone who posts this kind would be in a big trouble. Why not in Korea?</p>
<p>Most Korean people including myself aren&#8217;t against foreigners for no reason.</p>
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		<title>By: chocola</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/01/14/english-spectrum-gate-continues/#comment-93893</link>
		<dc:creator>chocola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone's opinion about english spectrum, before sensored 

Hobbes14-03-2005, 13:59

Possibly a little update on this, as it was totally out of context when I first saw it. 

When I first saw the page in question it looked nothing more then a wild night out at some club (least by western standards). So I took it more a culture clash then anything else. 

However I got to watch some of the show last night that brought this and other things to light. It wasn't just the website was the problem. You had... 

- People with no/fake qualifications teaching English. One had a Phd in Law from Harvard which was made cheap in Tailand.
- Many with no work visa. 
- Some English teaching was quite creative, one teacher calling his students "F'ing chinks". 
- Drug involvement, from usage, pushing to date rapes. 
- Prostitution and child molesting. 
- Prejudice against Koreans in regards to jobs. A white person is more likely to get a English teacher job then say a Canadian Korean who has the qualifications. 
- Drug involvement, from usage, pushing to date rapes. 
- Prostitution and child molesting. 
- Prejudice against Koreans in regards to jobs. A white person is more likely to get a English teacher job then say a Canadian Korean who has the qualifications. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone&#8217;s opinion about english spectrum, before sensored </p>
<p>Hobbes14-03-2005, 13:59</p>
<p>Possibly a little update on this, as it was totally out of context when I first saw it. </p>
<p>When I first saw the page in question it looked nothing more then a wild night out at some club (least by western standards). So I took it more a culture clash then anything else. </p>
<p>However I got to watch some of the show last night that brought this and other things to light. It wasn&#8217;t just the website was the problem. You had&#8230; </p>
<p>- People with no/fake qualifications teaching English. One had a Phd in Law from Harvard which was made cheap in Tailand.<br />
- Many with no work visa.<br />
- Some English teaching was quite creative, one teacher calling his students &#8220;F&#8217;ing chinks&#8221;.<br />
- Drug involvement, from usage, pushing to date rapes.<br />
- Prostitution and child molesting.<br />
- Prejudice against Koreans in regards to jobs. A white person is more likely to get a English teacher job then say a Canadian Korean who has the qualifications.<br />
- Drug involvement, from usage, pushing to date rapes.<br />
- Prostitution and child molesting.<br />
- Prejudice against Koreans in regards to jobs. A white person is more likely to get a English teacher job then say a Canadian Korean who has the qualifications. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-217823.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin.....17823.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhesus</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/01/14/english-spectrum-gate-continues/#comment-10469</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosscoe:

"...it seems strange that the netzeins get upset about some Korean women doing wet t-shirt competitions etc in a private club, when they can switch on the TV, and see lots of bonking, wobbly bits and other assorted (Korean) porn on a standard cable channel every night - and not even very late night at that."
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosscoe:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;it seems strange that the netzeins get upset about some Korean women doing wet t-shirt competitions etc in a private club, when they can switch on the TV, and see lots of bonking, wobbly bits and other assorted (Korean) porn on a standard cable channel every night - and not even very late night at that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hanminjoke</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/01/14/english-spectrum-gate-continues/#comment-10468</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm calling pure bullshit on the update with the supposed teacher giving molestation instructions.  Looks like the work of a Korean or kyopo with obvious intentions.  Not only did "Lucky Guy" spell molest wrong (mollest), but why in hell would he provide a Korean translation (his post further down) of his own post?

The fact that the Korean media are reporting ANONYMOUS internet posts as fact and making tens of thousands of foreign teachers guilty by association says more about their agenda and complete lack of standards than it does anything else.

I'm surprised Marmot, that you're giving that story even a shred of credibility with your update comment.  Didn't peg you for the gullible type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m calling pure bullshit on the update with the supposed teacher giving molestation instructions.  Looks like the work of a Korean or kyopo with obvious intentions.  Not only did &#8220;Lucky Guy&#8221; spell molest wrong (mollest), but why in hell would he provide a Korean translation (his post further down) of his own post?</p>
<p>The fact that the Korean media are reporting ANONYMOUS internet posts as fact and making tens of thousands of foreign teachers guilty by association says more about their agenda and complete lack of standards than it does anything else.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised Marmot, that you&#8217;re giving that story even a shred of credibility with your update comment.  Didn&#8217;t peg you for the gullible type.</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Marmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CH -- Yes, I have read through some of them.  Nobody is defending what they wrote.  But I'm sure you read through some of the Netizen responses on any number of sites, and I'm sure you'll agree that a good number of them are just as stupid and offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH &#8212; Yes, I have read through some of them.  Nobody is defending what they wrote.  But I&#8217;m sure you read through some of the Netizen responses on any number of sites, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree that a good number of them are just as stupid and offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, have you actually read the posts from playboy? After reading this, I think the Koreans might have reason to pissed off. here's a tasteful sampling--

jhol$$ View 474 

Title A million things I hate about K-girls 

1. Ugly Korean chicks trying to score on the internet.

2. Bitches that look at me like I like them or something...usually I walk away laughing.

3. Every bitch here has the same style. ie. black stockings, plaid or black skirts, with those annoying suede boots

4. That stupid face they make..like their blowing up a ballon or something.

5. That stupid wide-eyed look they make when their taking a picture.

6. Schoolgirls that try to impress me with their shitty english on the train.

7. Rot breath on the hottest chick.

8. My date telling me, "Oh many foreigners like kimchi."

9. Dramatic conversation...especially when they are asking for something.

10. Ajuma's that think they look good.

11. Fat bitches that look at me.

12. Fat bitches that look at me and think that I am looking back.

13. Fat bitches that think I'm looking at them, and they joke and giggle with their fat friends.

14. Fat bitches.

15. Big bushes...someone need to teach these chicks how to shave.

16. Bitches dating dorky college fags because his dad has an Equuis and works for Hankook tires.

17. Any bitch in Kangnam....truley gold-digging whores out looking to marry the first rich adeshi they can find.

18. The chick I met at Slimelight that claims it was her first time...

19. Bitches that think they are black...wearing dreds and all that other ghetto shit.

20. Fuck all these ho"s! 

for more--the url is really long.  translated page--some gibberish in the beginning but then just scroll down.

&lt;a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&#38;sl=ko&#38;u=http://bbs3.hani.co.kr/board/ns_hantoma200404/Contents.asp%3FSTable%3Dns_hantoma200404%26RNo%3D19152%26Search%3D%26Text%3D%26GoToPage%3D1%26Idx%3D23152%26Sorting%3D1&#38;prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522English%2BSpectrum%2522%2BKorea%2Bplayboy%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&#38;sl=ko&#38;u=http://bbs3.hani.co.kr/board/ns_hantoma200404/Contents.asp%3FSTable%3Dns_hantoma200404%26RNo%3D19152%26Search%3D%26Text%3D%26GoToPage%3D1%26Idx%3D23152%26Sorting%3D1&#38;prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522English%2BSpectrum%2522%2BKorea%2Bplayboy%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, have you actually read the posts from playboy? After reading this, I think the Koreans might have reason to pissed off. here&#8217;s a tasteful sampling&#8211;</p>
<p>jhol$$ View 474 </p>
<p>Title A million things I hate about K-girls </p>
<p>1. Ugly Korean chicks trying to score on the internet.</p>
<p>2. Bitches that look at me like I like them or something&#8230;usually I walk away laughing.</p>
<p>3. Every bitch here has the same style. ie. black stockings, plaid or black skirts, with those annoying suede boots</p>
<p>4. That stupid face they make..like their blowing up a ballon or something.</p>
<p>5. That stupid wide-eyed look they make when their taking a picture.</p>
<p>6. Schoolgirls that try to impress me with their shitty english on the train.</p>
<p>7. Rot breath on the hottest chick.</p>
<p>8. My date telling me, &#8220;Oh many foreigners like kimchi.&#8221;</p>
<p>9. Dramatic conversation&#8230;especially when they are asking for something.</p>
<p>10. Ajuma&#8217;s that think they look good.</p>
<p>11. Fat bitches that look at me.</p>
<p>12. Fat bitches that look at me and think that I am looking back.</p>
<p>13. Fat bitches that think I&#8217;m looking at them, and they joke and giggle with their fat friends.</p>
<p>14. Fat bitches.</p>
<p>15. Big bushes&#8230;someone need to teach these chicks how to shave.</p>
<p>16. Bitches dating dorky college fags because his dad has an Equuis and works for Hankook tires.</p>
<p>17. Any bitch in Kangnam&#8230;.truley gold-digging whores out looking to marry the first rich adeshi they can find.</p>
<p>18. The chick I met at Slimelight that claims it was her first time&#8230;</p>
<p>19. Bitches that think they are black&#8230;wearing dreds and all that other ghetto shit.</p>
<p>20. Fuck all these ho&#8221;s! </p>
<p>for more&#8211;the url is really long.  translated page&#8211;some gibberish in the beginning but then just scroll down.</p>
<p><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=ko&amp;u=http://bbs3.hani.co.kr/board/ns_hantoma200404/Contents.asp%3FSTable%3Dns_hantoma200404%26RNo%3D19152%26Search%3D%26Text%3D%26GoToPage%3D1%26Idx%3D23152%26Sorting%3D1&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522English%2BSpectrum%2522%2BKorea%2Bplayboy%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com/tr.....en%26lr%3D</a></p>
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		<title>By: hanminjoke</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;&#62;If the issue is really centered entirely on the foreigners involved, why haven??t the gangs of Japanese businessmen on their brothel trowls gotten any press?

You're obviously not a regular Marmot reader.  He had an article last month on this exact topic.  They do get press, and it falls in the exact same category of "foreign devils fucking OUR women" that this does.

&lt;a href="http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2004/12/20/korean-wave-meets-japanese-porn/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2004/12/20/korean-wave-meets-japanese-porn/#comments&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;If the issue is really centered entirely on the foreigners involved, why haven??t the gangs of Japanese businessmen on their brothel trowls gotten any press?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re obviously not a regular Marmot reader.  He had an article last month on this exact topic.  They do get press, and it falls in the exact same category of &#8220;foreign devils fucking OUR women&#8221; that this does.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.marmot.cc/archives/2004/12/20/korean-wave-meets-japanese-porn/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://blog.marmot.cc/archives...../#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosscoe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie - I understand where you are coming from, and agree that the posts on that web site were pretty stupid/lame. I mean I am not sure what these guys are trying to prove posting stuff like that. You wanna bonk whoever, whenever, whatever - fine, but whats the deal with showing how much of a man you are by bragging about it on some web board ? And as you know it doesn't take much for the actions of a few to get blown out of proportion, get exagerated and (sometimes) totaly out of hand - then become embedded in Korean fokelore to be used to judge the rest of us living here But that pretty much goes for any minority group in any country I suppose. 

However, my question was it seems strange that the netzeins get upset about some Korean women doing wet t-shirt competitions etc in a private club, when they can switch on the TV, and see lots of bonking, wobbly bits and other assorted (Korean) porn on a standard cable channel every night - and not even very late night at that.

Kromozone : As you know the subway is always an 'interesting' place for people watching. I found that the type of thing you experienced comes in waves - sometimes never any problems, then sometimes many times in a single week. I remember when I got to the stage in learning Korean when I started to understand all the conversation and (sometimes) insults flying about from people on the subway - then I bought an MP3 player and now remain blissfully unaware. If people start talking about this kind of stuff in your presence, pull out your daily copy of the Chosun (of course!) and watch their reactions - the silence will usually be instant. A few times I used to study my Hanja book on the long subway rides. It had a bright yellow cover, and used to make for some pretty strange looks and funny reactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie - I understand where you are coming from, and agree that the posts on that web site were pretty stupid/lame. I mean I am not sure what these guys are trying to prove posting stuff like that. You wanna bonk whoever, whenever, whatever - fine, but whats the deal with showing how much of a man you are by bragging about it on some web board ? And as you know it doesn&#8217;t take much for the actions of a few to get blown out of proportion, get exagerated and (sometimes) totaly out of hand - then become embedded in Korean fokelore to be used to judge the rest of us living here But that pretty much goes for any minority group in any country I suppose. </p>
<p>However, my question was it seems strange that the netzeins get upset about some Korean women doing wet t-shirt competitions etc in a private club, when they can switch on the TV, and see lots of bonking, wobbly bits and other assorted (Korean) porn on a standard cable channel every night - and not even very late night at that.</p>
<p>Kromozone : As you know the subway is always an &#8216;interesting&#8217; place for people watching. I found that the type of thing you experienced comes in waves - sometimes never any problems, then sometimes many times in a single week. I remember when I got to the stage in learning Korean when I started to understand all the conversation and (sometimes) insults flying about from people on the subway - then I bought an MP3 player and now remain blissfully unaware. If people start talking about this kind of stuff in your presence, pull out your daily copy of the Chosun (of course!) and watch their reactions - the silence will usually be instant. A few times I used to study my Hanja book on the long subway rides. It had a bright yellow cover, and used to make for some pretty strange looks and funny reactions.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the whole "discrete" thing... I would imagine for many of the people posting to English Spectrum, they assumed it was one small, insignificant Web site in the great ether of the Internet, so they be as stupid as they wanted without consequence. One of the quirks of the Internet is how everything is private as long as no one notices, then its public as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the whole &#8220;discrete&#8221; thing&#8230; I would imagine for many of the people posting to English Spectrum, they assumed it was one small, insignificant Web site in the great ether of the Internet, so they be as stupid as they wanted without consequence. One of the quirks of the Internet is how everything is private as long as no one notices, then its public as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who are not Americans, here is a short exerpt of an article about the Terrell Owens &#38; Sheridan incident:

"Two days after the network aired the segment featuring Eagles star receiver Terrell Owens and actress Nicollette Sheridan, coaches and players were still talking about it. 

Reaction ranged from amusement to anger. Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy found it racially offensive. 

"To me that's the first thing I thought of as an African-American," Dungy said Wednesday. "I think it's stereotypical in looking at the players and, on the heels of the Kobe Bryant incident, I think it's very insensitive. 

"I don't think that they would have had Bill Parcells or Andy Reid or one of the owners involved in that," he added, a reference to the coaches in the game. 

ABC's intro showed Sheridan wearing only a towel and provocatively asking Owens to skip the game for her as the two stood alone in a locker room. She drops the towel and jumps into Owens' arms. Owens is black and Sheridan is white. 

"If that's what we have to do to get ratings, I'd rather not get them," Dungy said. "I realize that ratings pays us in this league but, if that's what we have to do, I'm willing to take a pay cut." 

The point is that, in every nationality, there are idiots like hanminjoke who are closet xenophobic racist, and aren't willing to accept the reality; there are bad people everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who are not Americans, here is a short exerpt of an article about the Terrell Owens &amp; Sheridan incident:</p>
<p>&#8220;Two days after the network aired the segment featuring Eagles star receiver Terrell Owens and actress Nicollette Sheridan, coaches and players were still talking about it. </p>
<p>Reaction ranged from amusement to anger. Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy found it racially offensive. </p>
<p>&#8220;To me that&#8217;s the first thing I thought of as an African-American,&#8221; Dungy said Wednesday. &#8220;I think it&#8217;s stereotypical in looking at the players and, on the heels of the Kobe Bryant incident, I think it&#8217;s very insensitive. </p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think that they would have had Bill Parcells or Andy Reid or one of the owners involved in that,&#8221; he added, a reference to the coaches in the game. </p>
<p>ABC&#8217;s intro showed Sheridan wearing only a towel and provocatively asking Owens to skip the game for her as the two stood alone in a locker room. She drops the towel and jumps into Owens&#8217; arms. Owens is black and Sheridan is white. </p>
<p>&#8220;If that&#8217;s what we have to do to get ratings, I&#8217;d rather not get them,&#8221; Dungy said. &#8220;I realize that ratings pays us in this league but, if that&#8217;s what we have to do, I&#8217;m willing to take a pay cut.&#8221; </p>
<p>The point is that, in every nationality, there are idiots like hanminjoke who are closet xenophobic racist, and aren&#8217;t willing to accept the reality; there are bad people everywhere.</p>
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