Korean Netizens blast foreign English teacher site

English teachers are going to like this one…

The Joongang Ilbo (via the Hankuk Ilbo) reported Tuesday that the website English Spectrum, frequented primarily by English teachers working in Korea, contained posts that sexually degraded Korean women (original Joongang piece here).

In fact, one called Korea “The Kimchiland where it’s easy to score with the women and make money.” Good Lord.

According to the paper, the site contained a section called “Asked the Playboy” (which now seems to have been taken down, although you can catch some of it here) where 5~6 pieces a day were posted on ways to seduce the lovely lasses of the ROK into bed. The English teachers were reportedly using openly sexual slang in reference to certain acts and anatomical parts and degrading Korean women.

One evil big nose teacher wrote, “There is nothing good about Korea except that it’s easy to sleep with the women and make money.” Seems like someone needs to buy a ticket home.

There were also tips on how to score with the local women, for example, getting close to them by telling them you’ll teach them English and — rather sensibly — not to answer the phone after you’ve gotten them all hot and bothered. Other foreigners uploaded photos of Korean girls in short skirts. The horror.

Unable to repress their anger at the “scheming by foreign English teachers to make Korean women sexual playthings” (which, as any devoted reader of the Korean tabloid press could tell you, is apparently the exclusive domain of Korean men), the Korean Netizen response was prompt. In particular, they pointed out that the “sex hunting” perpetrated by foreign English teachers in Korea had reached a serious level, and advised women to be careful of foreign English teachers who try to come on to them using English as bait.

On the other hand, some also pointed out that there were problems with those Korean women who hang on foreign English speakers.

One Netizen wrote, “U.S. soldiers refer to Hongdae’s ‘Club Day’ as ‘Fucking Day.’ This is because all they need to do is go and they can have sex with women as they please.” He also said, “I have heard from one Australian exchange student who came to Korea that he had sex with over 300 Korean women in under a year. He might have just been exaggerating, but I worry that Korean women might appear like they have sex just to pass the time.”

The piece added that due to a huge spike in traffic after the Joongang piece went up on major Korean portal sites, it was impossible to connect in the morning. The Marmot, however, seems to be able to reach it fine.

So far, the Yahoo! Korea piece is the sixth-most-looked-at story of the day, garnering 925 comments as of the time of this post. No, I will not translate them. Also, when I happened upon “Ask the Playboy” earlier, it appeared to be getting flamed out by angry Korean Netizens.

For what its worth, it appears some of the Joongang’s translations were a bit off, but all the same, they could have found much more provocative stuff if they had bothered to look through it more. At the same time, some of the Netizen responses don’t exactly paint Korea in the best of lights, either. Lots of ugliness to go around with this one, including at the Joongang, which apparently had a slow news day. Not that it matters for this blogger, who lives for news stories like this.

UPDATE: Seems like English Spectrum has been temporarily taken down for re-organization. They’ve left a notice and disclaimer (in both English and Korean, although the two are not exactly the same) that reads:

English Spectrum is an important web site utilized by foreigners and Koreans alike. It offers it’s users a variety of useful information from job opportunities, cultural information, city attractions, accommodation information and more.
It also allows a variety of discussion boards to run on its sites for the benefit of its users. These allow the user to post questions about a variety of issues (job, living, legal, teaching, etc) affecting their life in the Republic.

In many instances, the content available through English Spectrum represents the opinions and judgments of the respective user not under contract with English Spectrum. EnglishSpectrum.com neither endorses nor is responsible for the accuracy or reliability of any opinion, advice or statement made on these forums.
As a result of negative newspaper reports depicting but a small percentage of user opinions, we at English Spectrum have decided to pull the offensive forum and are taking steps to re-organize how these forums are operated and monitored.

-The English Spectrum Team-

Although I hate to say it, there is something about this I find troubling. Yes, there was quite a bit of nonsense being said over at the site, apparently, but at the same time, not all Korean online forums are paragons of civility, either. Regardless of how asinine the content may or may not be, as a Netizen myself, I can’t help but be somewhat dismayed at a media-driven cyber assault on one particular site. You never know when it could be you, after all, and I’m not so hot on policing the cybersphere based on the organizational power (????????????) of particular groups of Internet users, which strikes me as just a little too similar to mob violence.

There, I’ve said it.

UPDATE II: Story continues on to this post.

50 Comments

  1. Posted January 12, 2005 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Uh oh…do I see another topic for Koreans to protest about for the next few years? I had seen that column before and just gave it a bit of a chuckle…
    The only thing that gets me is what one girl (named koran girl…maybe a muslim Korean?) says:
    “From now on, I have a prejudice against foreigner lecturer(men) in Asia.”
    I think she’ll carry that one for life…

  2. Posted January 12, 2005 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Like duh! Let’s assume 80% of English teachers are slumbags who would never find gainful employment in their home countries… of course they’re going to get treated well in a country where you can pay zillions from childhood to learn the language and where there are parents so sick they get their children’s tongues shortened? A lot of English teachers may be male sluts, but who’s the babo in that equation?

  3. Posted January 12, 2005 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Or, you might say that the English teachers who are a problem are trying to do to Korea what their hagwon owners are doing to them.

  4. kimbob your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    This is supposed to be newsworthy? Don’t they have anything better to write about?

  5. virtual wonderer your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    ha ha ha, this article actually amuses me. I am simply shocked, SHOCKED that such things are going on. Well, I just never. Who would have thought that so many Korean girls would have white-boy fetishes?

  6. Posted January 12, 2005 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    ?€œI have heard from one Australian exchange student who came to Korea that he had sex with over 300 Korean women in under a year. He might have just been exaggerating, but I worry that Korean women might appear like they have sex just to pass the time.?€?

    no way, a man lying about having sex with a bunch of women. i remember being in King Club a long time ago and a Korean female friend of mine told me about a military guy bragging that he fucked 45 girls in a month. i told her “do the math” with a 30 day month, every week of the month you would have to bag 1 girl/day and on two weeks of the same month you would have to bag 2/day. i know korean girls are easy, but you just can’t meet that many girls in that amount of time. keep in mind the guy had a full time job that would prevent him from clubbing during work hours.

  7. kimbob your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 3:29 am | Permalink

    Lying and bragging about the number of women they shagged, gives them the power thrill. Look everybody - look at me, I am so manly.

    Uh yeah. Whatever.

  8. Posted January 12, 2005 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I’d like to finish reading this post, but I’ve got to drive to Yongsan now and get my daily dose of Korean women in mini-skirts (never mind the 18-degree weather) stumbling drunk out of Interface booking club ready to be taken advantage of by the wolves….

  9. nulji maripkan your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    ‘even if 80% of english teachers are scumbags…’

    the figure sounds too low.

  10. Posted January 12, 2005 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Or, you might say that the English teachers who are a problem are trying to do to Korea what their hagwon owners are doing to them.

    Okay, shot cola out my nose on that one.

  11. Pabsthooligan your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Did anyone actually see the site? I had looked at it several times before this story came out, and seriously: these guys were playing with fire. They had photos of Korean girls stripping on top of pool tables surrounded by cheering white guys. The questions to “Ask the Playboy” referred to Korean girls as “K-bitches.”
    It was as if they took every negative stereotype of white guys Koreans had and tried to prove it on one Web site.

  12. slim your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    “……In particular, they pointed out that the ?€œsex hunting?€? perpetrated by foreign English teachers in Korea had reached a serious level, and advised women to be careful of foreign English teachers who try to come on to them using English as bait.”

    There will probably be a fairly sizable minority of local women who will read of this controversy and ask how they can get in on the action.

    Angry K-bloggers of every persuasion must now ponder the possibility of having their words amplified by an angry domestic media.

  13. lirelou your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know who put up the site? Not that we don’t have our share of assholes, but a little black propaganda is quite possible.

  14. Juggertha your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    What astounds me is that “main stream” Korean newspapers constantly quote netizens as legit resources/opinions.

    If i’m reading an article on Korean economic recovery I don’t need to hear that Netizen Bigbalooba69 thinks “it would be good to combine out economy with that of the north”.

    Marmot, you work/have worked for the papers here.. have you ever brought this up?

  15. yangsanggunja your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Wow. Sounds like it’s time for a career change!
    So…where do I get a job as an English teacher?

  16. kimbob your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    “What astounds me is that ?€œmain stream?€? Korean newspapers constantly quote netizens as legit resources/opinions.”

    hmmm… I guess you’ve never read the Ohmynews?

  17. greg your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Like Samuel P. Huntington wrote it is the “Clash of Civilizations”!

  18. Posted January 12, 2005 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Hongdae Club Day
    One Netizen wrote, ?€œU.S. soldiers refer to Hongdae?€™s ?€?Club Day?€™ as ?€?Fucking Day.?€™ This is because all they need to do is go and they can have sex with women as they please.?€? He also said, ?€œI have heard from one Australian exchange student who came to Korea that he had sex with over 300 Korean women in under a year. He might have just been exaggerating, but I worry that Korean women might appear like they have sex just to pass the time.?€?

    I’ve decided to refrain from commenting on this, because I see the esteemed virtues in Korean women exiting booking clubs every dark morning as I drive through Itaewon on the way to PT. What better way to show your inner strength and purity than by baring yourself in a miniskirt and halter top at -8 degrees Celsius?

    I do have to say that you have to have some pretty big balls (or be pretty stupid) as a G.I. to have your photo taken in an off-limits area (Hongdae) and posted on the Internet!

  19. non korean your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    The rule of three that guys tell people they slept with 3X the girls they really did applies here. Amplify that by the rule of 10 that Koreans amplify everything an English teacher does bad by 10 thereby the guy slept with 10 girls in a year.

  20. William your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    I’ve gotten an MA in Education from a well-known university in the U.S, as well as teaching 6 years at an inner-city school. There is an inherent process in getting a B.A. and M.A. in Education which weeds out incompetent and ethically, unsuitable candidates from becoming an educator/teacher; a six year process. Moreove, when one applies to a school district, he gets to have his fingers printed, FBI background check, etc, etc. As a teacher, I would spend a minimum of 60 hours per week “working” as a teacher; a pay less than what a grocery checker would make.

    As a teacher close to gaining his tenure, I was thinking about taking a year off to teach English in Korea. Out of curiosity I frequented a well-known, so-called “teachers” forum, a-hem “Dave’s ESL Cafe,” for a year or two.

    The amount of sleazy and filthy topics had me wonder whether I was actually at a “teacher’s” forum. The negativity about Korean culture and the ridiculing of its people were quite common. The frequent posting of topics about having sex with Korean women or some delusional idea that if you are a Caucasian male teacher, you would have no problems have sex with different Korean woman every night is probably the main reason why Hagwons are filled with filthiest of filth from the Western countries. Based on what I learned about Korea, I guess you can’t blame these losers for the English teacher problems; Hagwon system has to take the blame as well.

    Of course, this is not to say that there weren’t good, competent, and honest teachers; the bad ones tend to make the loudest noise just like the classroom.

    I am not surprised by this type of reaction from the Korean fringe groups. I just wish that Korea implement some type of standard in hiring foreign, English teachers, just like Japan? A minimum of English degree and some teaching experience, or non-English teaching plus a teaching credential.

  21. CH your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    A friend of mine who taught English in Japan called these white guys who teach English in Asian countries 2/10s. As in they were 2s in the US. They come to Asia and suddenly, they’re 10s and they can bag any lady they want.
    I’m not a defensive Korean guy who wants to protect his “territory” but a Korean American woman (who happens to date a white guy back in the States). Aside from the fact that these English teachers make creepy Asiaphiles in the States seem like sensitive gentlemen, I’m also just shocked, simply shocked that Korean women are attracted to these men. Behold the power of English! I mean I know there is this national obsession with the language, but come on. Get glasses! So many white male English teachers here are such pale pasty sad little sacks. Not to mention they’re dumb as rocks and have absolutely no inclination to learn the culture. Oh well–they might be studs for a year but they’ll have to return to their home countries someday, where all they’ll have is a jar of vaseline and a subscription to porn sites.

  22. Posted January 12, 2005 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    “They had photos of Korean girls stripping on top of pool tables surrounded by cheering white guys.”

    Not that I am excusing all the foreign, English-teaching/speaking slum bags out there, but you have to admit, the blame shouldn’t be one-sided. Don’t tell me these women didn’t enjoy stripping down on pool tables and being cheered on by white guys in addition to having their photos taken while doing so. Korean women are vain! They have sex appeal and they know it and they *love* to flaunt it! And so far, I haven’t heard the word “rape” being used so we have to assume these women freely chose to sleep with these guys, no matter how disgusting they are. And if they fell for the whole “I’ll teach you English” bait, well they are dumber than I thought.

    If some Korean guy offered

    What these foreign men were saying is horrible, but you’ve got to look at the whole picture…judging from what I’ve seen with my own eyes, some Korean women just had it coming… (no pun intended) :)

  23. Posted January 12, 2005 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Amen! Jodi just candidly remarked on the themes I was trying to sneak into the reader’s subconscious in posts #8 and #18. I didn’t want to stoke up the fire anymore, but I’m pretty sure it’s “no holds barred” from this point, especially if there are any Korean “I think I’ll get drunk in Itaewon wearing clothes suitable only to Hardyandtiny every night and see what comes next” women reading this.

  24. kimbob your flag
    Posted January 12, 2005 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    So where does the blame lie? I blame this on Korea.

    One. Korea does a very poor job of screening out the bad apples. It’s notorious that Korean shchools will hire anyone who looks Caucasion. Doesn’t matter if they’re qualified or not. Often these “schools” are woefully ill prepared in guiding their hired teachers, and hiring the right qualified teachers. Who’s fault is that?

    Two. These English teachers are just symptomatic of what the overall picture of the social problem that Korea has. Koreans have to start treating women better to expect the same respect from the Westerners. All the sex and boozing, it’s Korean culture. Can we expect the guests to behave like nuns?

    Three. When a young teacher from the West cross into Korea, they lose their inhibitions that they learned back home. What’s disturbing and dissapointing is that these teachers are supposed to be the educators that educate the young people for the future. It just makes you wonder what the young people are learning, probably not much.

    Forth: Koreans tend to excessively admire anything that reminds them of the West, and English. It doesn’t take long for someone to take advantage of that naivity.

    Fifth: It’s a crying shame that one of the major dailies reports this as somekind of news. The website in question is a private website that does not endorse any of the personal opinions nor does it advocate any opinions. Terrible.

  25. skindleshanks your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Unfortunately, the slough of bad hagwons and bad teachers (both are to blame) puts a bad name on the rest of us. I’ve never seen the inside of a Korean bar, let alone brothel and I am definitely not a womanizing loser who came to Korea to “score”, but I have a Korean wife and most who see me make that assumption. Never mind that we met before I ever set foot in Korea and had to overcome our mutual prejudices about multicultural relationships. Never mind that she is my first love (except for whatshername from Junior High), and I don’t think any Canadian girls would consider me a “2″ (I’d say more like an 8)
    White man + korean woman = 2 losers betraying their countries

    I’m thinking it’s time we move on to China, Kazakhstan, or somewhere where we can be accepted for the contributions English teachers can make to society.

  26. nulji maripkan your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 4:38 am | Permalink

    ‘the korean women are partially to blame…’

    yeah, just like a woman who wears sexy clothes finds herself being raped. it’s her fault too. i always knew the vast majority of you are just absolute scum.

    ’sizable minority of korean women would want to be with those white guys…’ slim

    whaaaaaaaaaaat? i thought ALL asian women wanted to be with you. getting closer to the truth, slim, and the origins of your hate for korea.

  27. overseer your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Nulji, are you stealing all the white women from us big nosese?

  28. slim your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    whaaaaaaaaaaat? i thought ALL asian women wanted to be with you. getting closer to the truth, slim, and the origins of your hate for korea.

    Comment by nulji maripkan

    First, you misquoted me, distorting my qualified observation and inserting race where I avoided it in view of my experience that foreign teachers come in many colors: “a fairly sizable minority of local women who will read of this controversy and ask how they can get in on the action”

    More importantly, and not that this will stop you from trying this tired tactic again and again, nulji, but your pet theory that outsiders’ criticism of aspects of Korea equals hatred for the entire race and stems from frustrations or fixations with local women only very rarely applies to the people you unfailingly try to use it against. (I’ll confess to hating with extreme prejudice North Korea and those who do its bidding.) My quick, inexpert psycho-analysis is that maybe you are projecting your own issues onto us. I can promise you that, even if your misguided hectoring fails to stop my miscegenational urges from insulting 70 million Koreans, my non-Korean wife will step in fiercely and stop the horror.

  29. William your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    “White man + korean woman = 2 losers betraying their countries ”

    Haven’t you heard that two negatives make a positive? :)
    I have several friends who are half Caucasian and half Korean, or Japanese. I think they have attributes that are best of both worlds.

    As a school teacher in the U.S., I’ve noticed that a significantly high number of Caucasian/Asian students are overachievers, socially well-adjusted, and have terrific classroom demeanor.

  30. nulji maripkan your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    understand some things, slim:

    1. to me, most of you are one in the same. so, my assumption that you’re married to a korean women was wrong but not germaine since i see you as the same as i see drambuie man or any other expat here excepting those i’ve already mentioned in other posts.

    2. my frustration with expats who marry korean women is not focused on the woman, it’s focused on the man. do you understand there’s a difference? i don’t give one shit about korean women who marry white men or korean men who marry white women. believe me, i’m telling the truth, i just don’t give shit. good for her. but i just have to wonder how some of you can marry a korean when some of the things you say about them are just filthy. most of you look down on koreans and seem fixated on portraying the koreans in the most horrible of light. and then you marry them? man, that’s what i can’t get over. understand it like the article above about your collegues makes me understand a bit more about the expat. it’s too bad…

    3. i thought i pointed out that i was changing the subject, mr orankay. i’ll be more clear in the future though i’m sure most understood what i wrote.

    3.

  31. slim your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Nulji (and I await conclusive proof that you are not also the banished Bluejives) — that’s a weasel way out and even with your low level of intellectual honesty you have to know this. “Not germaine”. You’ve been outed as a blabbering fool with a racist bent, the premises of your attacks have been undermined and you fall back on “not germaine”. That’s kind of like CBS “fake but accurate” or lefty blogger Dog Stew’s “that’s the wrong question” approach to unpleasant facts about North Korea.

    Find a smarter way to express your ultranationalism or else just leave people alone.

  32. Rhesus your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Hot!

  33. Anonymous your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    So an asian girl goes out with a foreign guy because she wants to improve her english… Is this morally wrong? People have all kinds of reasons for getting into relationships… I imagine some asian girls go out with certain asian men only because they are wealthy but no one is up in arms over this. Anyway, who’s the one being used here? It seems that both parties get something out of it otherwise they wouldn’t do it. Ok, its kind of not fair that because one language is more dominant in the world it gives some average-looking guys some sort of added sexual allure but thats the way it is. I like Korea and I like Korean people but it sucks that my korean girlfriend and I (who were going out in NZ for four years before I even set foot in this country) are going to be stereotyped as a sexual predator and an immoral slut over here because I’m working in a hagwon…

  34. hardyandtiny your flag
    Posted January 13, 2005 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Korea’s becoming very unhealthy.

  35. Posted January 14, 2005 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    This is bullshit. Mass generalizations are a virtue of the ignorant. Just like in any other social group on earth, in Korea as a whole, or just the expat crowd, you will find the whole spectrum of personalities.

    Stop pointing fingers and just try your best not to be one of the dickheads.

  36. Posted January 14, 2005 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Bah, who cares. Shitbags exist everywhere among all people. I’m all for multi-culturization (if there is such a word) in Korea, so if this means some foreigners going to Korea to get laid, so be it, as long as they’re not raping anyone.

    AFAIK, though, white guys have significantly better chances with asian chicks than asian guys with white chicks. A lot of my Korean friends have a sort of awe for white women because we think they’re hard to get for us.

    Speaking of which, can anyone give me a few tips on how to score with American white chicks? I once responded to this white chick’s ad on BangMatch.com with my photo and got back a one-liner saying that she’s actually looking for “someone who can last at least ten minutes.” Geeeeeeeeeeez…

  37. slim your flag
    Posted January 14, 2005 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    “wrong but not germaine” — is that anything like CBS’ “fake but accurate”?

    While weaseling out of discussing my main points, you were honest enough to admit that you simply don’t discriminate among ideas, word meanings, nuances, criticisms, rants. That fully explains why most of your postings of the last two years as Shin Jong Il, Bluejives and your current handle have been off-base (or “wrong AND not germaine”). I had put it down to knee-jerk nativism, poor reading comprehension and some complex personal resentments you may have.

  38. slim your flag
    Posted January 14, 2005 at 3:40 am | Permalink

    Sorry for the redundant post on nulji. the first one went missing for 6 hours and I thought I had somehow deleted it.

  39. nulji maripkan your flag
    Posted January 14, 2005 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    i’m not bluejives, sorry. and has bluejives been banned?

    btw….

    ‘i didn’t write about race just in case they were some black expats amongst the crowd.’ slim

    intellectually dishonest? you must have thought i was twenty-something with that one.

    i’ve noticed you find it difficult to ignore me, slim.

  40. nulji maripkan your flag
    Posted January 14, 2005 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    ‘exposed as a racist…’

    exposed like you? i pointed out the race of your fellow slimebuckets. nothing racist about that.

    ‘i left out race because there may have been black expats…’ slim

    talk about intellectual dishonesty. you must have thought you were writing to a twenty year old.

    ‘you’re bluejives…’

    uh, nope. i would not write the kind of filth (word to bluejives) that bluejives writes though i understand your need to believe i would. has he been banned? if so, not fair since marmot don’t ban folks who have similar views towards koreans.

    welcome back, sugar shin.

  41. Juggertha your flag
    Posted January 14, 2005 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Nuji-1. to me, most of you are one in the same. so, my assumption that you?€™re married to a korean women was wrong but not germaine since i see you as the same as i see drambuie man or any other expat here excepting those i?€™ve already mentioned in other posts.

    2. my frustration with expats who marry korean women is not focused on the woman, it?€™s focused on the man. do you understand there?€™s a difference? i don?€™t give one shit about korean women who marry white men or korean men who marry white women. believe me, i?€™m telling the truth, i just don?€™t give shit. good for her. but i just have to wonder how some of you can marry a korean when some of the things you say about them are just filthy. most of you look down on koreans and seem fixated on portraying the koreans in the most horrible of light. and then you marry them? man, that?€™s what i can?€™t get over. understand it like the article above about your collegues makes me understand a bit more about the expat. it?€™s too bad?€?

    3. i thought i pointed out that i was changing the subject, mr orankay. i?€™ll be more clear in the future though i?€™m sure most understood what i wrote.

    Well man, I’m glad i read that post. Now i understand a little better where your coming from. I don’t think your as full of hatered as some seem to think… I just think your “close” to it. Take out the words “most” from your quote and it sounds pretty damming. I really hope you don’t feel that mch anger towards people you have never met.

  42. Juggertha your flag
    Posted January 14, 2005 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    hehe, wow, do I ever make a lot of spelling mistakes. Where’s the edit button around here marmot?

  43. Posted January 15, 2005 at 4:26 am | Permalink

    i’m a human being, on the planet earth. i love women, and women love me, and sometimes i have sex with them. ideally, i’m in love with the woman i sleep with and i’m loyal and treasure her dearly.
    ‘guy talk’ is not much worse, and usually less graphic, than ‘girl talk.’ men talking about females sexually is nothing new. korean men do it to.

    so what is the real issue here? are there no places on the internet where korean men speak likewise of their own women? or even “our” women? the only reason it is news at all is because korean men dislike western men becuase asian women, not uncommonly, like western men. i wish people could look at this at a macro level and not at the micro level where it is us against them. because of a few immature people, we are all walking on glass, and koreans don’t like to forgive and forget and see things objectively. they love nothing more to pour gas on a fire, and this is a warm one.

    to the marmot, or whoever you are, i think you have dug the hole deeper for us somehow, and some of the “facts” you include are likely very isolated and not commonplace. i would like to see you, with this big fancey blog that everyone surfs to, post something entirely positive and moving and get it out into Korea’s cyberworld. korean men have to realise that men are men…some are good and some are bad…but god help us not all of us are bad…even if most of us really like korean women. the world and the people in it are not perfect…but why do we have to latch on to a vicous cycle? hongdae is hongdae. its a club district. party people go there to do party people things. if a korean girl wants to go their and dance and get laid with a foreign guy, she should have that right, and vice versa. it takes two to tango. hongdae is hardly the epicenter of foreign culture and practice in korea. and the playboy is hardly the average english teacher. in fact he is a student at yonsei university and an american and has nothing to do with ESL. as for the playboy forum, there were very few active posters, and the ones that did post were living in a fantasy land. if it was true what they wrote, they wouldnt have had the time nor the need to write about it.

    i love my girlfriend deeply and now she sits not quite next to me on the subway. i’m starting to think korea is not the place to be. let us pray! someone put out the damn fire or start it somewhere else! kim jung ill! fire a missile in the ocean or something please!

  44. slim your flag
    Posted January 15, 2005 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    nulji - you need to chil out and also learn discrimination. Not the racial kind of discrimination, which you have mastered, but discernment of nuances and subtleties in arguments. That would make your posts less prone to non sequitors and less based on attacking straw men instead of real issues. You still have a long way to go, and you are at best only a shade better than bluejives.

  45. john your flag
    Posted February 26, 2005 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    uhhhh. its not like the english teachers are drugging the girls and having sex with them while theyre passed out. everytime a korean girl has gone home with me, shes not kicking and screaming. they go to places like hongdae and itaewon to go home with a foreigner. its not like all korean girls are angels. i met a korean girl once in hongdae and after 20 minutes of talking she asked me to take her home, tie her up and slap her around. i didnt take advantage of her at all.

  46. Matt your flag
    Posted March 19, 2005 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Quoted: “Speaking of which, can anyone give me a few tips on how to score with American white chicks? I once responded to this white chick?€™s ad on BangMatch.com with my photo and got back a one-liner saying that she?€™s actually looking for ?€œsomeone who can last at least ten minutes.?€? Geeeeeeeeeeez?€?”

    Tip One: Never, ever again try to pick up a white chick using a website, much less one that is named bangmatch.com. You’ll probably get a man.

  47. Whitesands your flag
    Posted March 24, 2005 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    I am Canadian, been teaching for 3 years in Korea came with and will be marrying my canadian gf. People love to generalize, complain and defer blame everywhere.

    Bottom line……who cares! It will pass, there are losers everywhere and its easy for people to focus on them to define larger groups.

    The media has ruined the bar where the “infractions” happened and seriously damaged some of the girls lives. They were minding their own business and having fun. Comments made about korean women in articles related to this were very degrading to women in general as well.

    Random idiots posting on a website….um, if people are going to pay any attention to that and make it newsworthy then there is a real problem. Personally I think the reporters who focussed on the issue are pathetic.

    Koreans get angry about a western man dating a Korean girl. Ask a Korean man what he thinks about a Korean man dating a western girl.

    This is all sensationalizm that was allowed to live mostly due to naivity, sensitivity and pride (not to mention confucianist roots). See James Bond movie.

    I love Korea, so does my fiance. You have to accept some things to feel that way though. The main thing is not everything will follow logic or reason. Also, it is a land of trends, an issue is only important as long as it is fashionable.

  48. Koreangirl your flag
    Posted April 2, 2005 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    To previous commenters - To generalize and say that all korean women are easy is obviously ridiculus. Especially considering these supposed women were encountered in clubs/bars. People in clubs/bars aren’t exactly there to recite scriptures from the bible. It has nothing to do with race because in any country, clubs/bars are filled with easy women. Such generalizations are a detriment to humanity as a whole.

    I left S. Korea at the age of 14 b/c my father was invited to the states by his professor - so I don’t exactly know how it is in korea but I don’t imagine that it has changed that drastically in 6 years that would justify such generalizations as “all korean women are easy” especially when these women were met in bars/clubs. Such statments only reveal the extreme baseness of one’s character. In short perhaps it is wise to research before committing a fallacy of logic.

  49. Posted April 2, 2005 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    some things have changed, that’s for sure. but the more relevant fact is that you probably didn’t know a whole lot about the other side of korea at the age of 14 other than what the adults wanted you to know.

  50. Posted April 19, 2005 at 12:56 am | Permalink

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