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But more to the point, China, if it goes into NK will want to keep the conflict confined to that border and the SK will seek the same. I doubt even China would use WMD. In a conventional war setting, they might choose to fight.

Afterall, if SK thought that it’s own sovereignty was at stake, they might start to do some funky things. It probably isn’t too difficult to destabilize CCP in what is already a shaky time for CHina. An unpopular war could just be the thing that could foment a unified China, with a capital in Taipei.

Not that I really believe in any of that, but if enough crazy SK kids believe it, they might not have qualms about shooting bullets.

Agree with everything what you say - with probable exception of ?€œAll those Hanchongryun kids will strap on a C4 and charge and pull a allahu akbar on the Chinese?€? (you know, they soon discover that the Chinese security guys are very different from the nice and gentle Seoul police - and this makes a difference).

Indeed, for China its inavsion will destroy its highly positive image in Korea. Instantly and for a very long time. In exchange they will probably (just probably) keep Americans further from their borders - and will get a thirsty and corrupt government to feed and save from its own people. But, alas, countries have done much sillier things. After all, I do not think that the present-day Korean affair with China is going to last forever. The US also used to be very, very popular here few decades ago. And with China a lot of now overlooked problems are bound to surface sooner or later. Nonetheless, for Beijing it will be silly to destroy the present-day momentum. China can get much more from its good relations with Korea than from taking direct respnsibility for the troubled and, in a long run, doomed North Korean regime.

You know, I am not a nationalist, so my heart is not warmed by idea that we killed many Afghans and tried to force on them the way of life they did not want. Imperialist adventures of this kind are always immoral and usually irrational as well. I am different from you and your fellow nationalists of all kinds and colours. You see, I do not like when people are killed, especially to satisfy somebody’s urge for “greatness”. I suspect it?€™s very difficult, even impossible for you to believe that somebody does not like massacres, let alone understand such a strange opinion, but it?€™s true?€?

All other parts of your post can be easily discarded as usual set of hysterical nationalist chants. I am pretty sure that very similar chants will be yelled by the Chinese if their government will foolishly decide to mingle in North Korea (and last time I checked, China was in Asia, too, so all your remarks of Asian glory are somewhat funny).

But generally, I?€™d better leave you beat your drums and delusion oneself. It’s very comfortable to live in the world of self-induced intoxication, I presume. But do not be surprised if normal people do not talk to you as long as you are in such a state…

But nationalism is as bad as heavy drugs. From my own experience: I?€™ve seen a dozen of cases when my friends and classmates back in Russia became ardent nationalists, and only two cases when people eventually returned from this state to normality (in one case, by the way, it was the participation in the Afghan war which made the person an enemy of all imperialisms and staunch if moderate critic of Russian nationalism). But in general it?€™s like heavy drugs: once you are in the habit, you chances of becoming sane again are quite small.

Not for Mr.Marypkan: over last month I had three talks with Chinese officials and scholar officials which left an impression that some actions in North Korea might indeed be considered in Beijing. I hope that Chinese government is sane enough to realize that long-term costs of such a move will outweigh its short-term (and doubtful) benefits. But who knows, they might follow Mr.Marypkan line and decide that laws of nature and politics do not apply to China as the embodiment of Asian greatness. If it happens, it North Korea will remain a sorry mess not for a couple of decades, but for much longer period of time.

One thing about Horowitz’s speech did strike me as interesting. He mentioned that China has chosen a general to replace Kim. This could be wishful thinking, but it seems to line up with something that a columnist for the Asahi in Tokyo named Funabashi Yoichi wrote not long ago, that the Chinese were according a certain high ranking defector an unusual level of respect. Usually they make defectors leave the country, but in this case they have broken from their usual policy and the defector is still in Beijing. So as wacko as Horowitz’s claims sound there may be a grain of truth to them.

I’m new to this topic so I’d appreciate any information people might be able to provide. Has there been any news of a high level defector who is being cultivated by Beijing? Thanks.

Every Korean businessmen are jumping up and down at the mere thoughts of factories in Shandong. All the Korean media paparazzi go out of their way to sinocize all the Korean products—go watch the syrupy pro-China film, “Musa” (warrior).

The Chinese know their popularity in Korea and going into North Korea is the Numero Uno dumb thing they can possibly do. If South Korea takes over all of Korea, they are guaranteed to have a somewhat pro-Chinese government on their border—and I really doubt that Hu Jin Tao or Jiang Ze Min is really worried about Korean artilleries on Apdong river. On the otherhand, if China, not very well known for “nation-building” goes into North Korea, they will in all likelihood, create the most anti-Chinese nation on their border. (The U.S. has this much trouble in Iraq, how much moreso would the Chinese have in North Korea)

Korean resolve to fight against China? The past 50 years of Korean education can be summed up like this: Valiant Korean freedom fighters fought evil Imperialist foreigners–we must be proud of our glorious heritage. All those Hanchongryun kids will strap on a C4 and charge and pull a allahu akbar on the Chinese.

I as a prejudiced Korean American can say that my “biased” lens tells me that Korean people are indeed crazy enough to fight the Chinese. I mean, come on. It’s crazy and stupid to mangle Korean alliance with the United States and that’s exactly what No Moo Hyun accomplished–and why? The Mob that voted for him wanted it that way and No had to follow his constituents.

China doesn’t have to do jack crap. They can sit tight and watch North Korea implode and send back all the refugees to South Korea when the dust settles. Afterall, most North Korean refugees will opt to live in South Korea rather than the frigid unforgiving landscape that is Manchuria.

that’s why you can’t understand what the koreans will do. and please don’t tell me what koreans are not capable of doing; i’ve heard it all before:

stick to farming, you can’t build ships! stick to ships, you can’t build cars! stick to cars, you can’t do hitech!

and i never said koreans won’t suffer. btw, your comments are discounted since you’re a russian; first
euros to be defeated by non euros. you remember your people’s reaction to the declaration of war from japan, don’t you? you all laughed. then, two weeks later, you all cried. still further, though i’m sure your heart is warmed at the idea of killing more afghanis than afghanis killing you(russians), you still were defeated by a bunch of guys in dresses wearing towels wrapped around their heads. china should take heed.
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paul, instead of smart comment, why not tell me why you think it’s ok for bush to torture.
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Nulji, I’m looking forward to reading about the POW operations of the combined ROK/DPRK forces, after the upcoming Chinese invasion is repelled.

I’m sure the proper decorum and deportment Koreans will display toward their Chinese prisoners will cause Bu$hbots like me to hang our heads in shame.

I doubt Korea would mount any vietnam like resistance movement.

Japan occupied Korea with only 7000 or so troops. During the occupation there was little resistance. In fact there were more Koreans fighting for Japan during WWII than feedom fighters fighting against Japan during the entire occupation.

Yes everyone says their grandfather or great grandfather was a resistance fighter but if that was true Korea might have mounted a resistance against Japan.

I see nothing in the Korean character today that would indicate Korea is capable of the sacrifice needed to mount such a resistance except by anti WTO Korean farmers ready to commit suicide to keep Korea’s markets closed. I just don’t think that would be enough against China.