Comments on: Forget Nochul-gate, this is the scandal http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:59:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Kevin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9041 Kevin Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:33:20 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9041 You know what, I see all yall stupid motherfuckers saying "ohh this is some bullshit right here" You didn't even see the godamn show! Try watching something before you judge it. If you just watch the show you would know that there are lots of serious parts to it. The characters are studying constantly. And you know what, at least those actors can speake more than one language. But just going to race and saying all Korean TV is pathetic is just hippocritic. I see bullshit on American TV all the time, but do I say All American shows suck? No I don't, I stay open to everything unlike yall. Failed actors, people that don't have a life and just critisize everything You know what, I see all yall stupid motherfuckers saying “ohh this is some bullshit right here” You didn’t even see the godamn show! Try watching something before you judge it. If you just watch the show you would know that there are lots of serious parts to it. The characters are studying constantly. And you know what, at least those actors can speake more than one language. But just going to race and saying all Korean TV is pathetic is just hippocritic. I see bullshit on American TV all the time, but do I say All American shows suck? No I don’t, I stay open to everything unlike yall. Failed actors, people that don’t have a life and just critisize everything

]]> By: garfield http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9040 garfield Tue, 21 Dec 2004 02:47:02 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9040 ?€œ?€?Yong-sama??€? To give credit to the natives, they have discriminating tastes too. I know as many Korean yoohaksengs who shudder in revulsion while watching Winter Sonata as those who have enjoyed it. I liked it. You have to know how to watch a Korean drama, like the way you?€™d approach watching Spiderman or Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Otherwise, you?€™d be leaving the theatre informing others around you how Chinese people don?€™t fly in real life. I think exporting Korean culture through dramas is definitely a good thing for Korea, especially with Western culture doling out images that are not very flattering. And with time, Korean media will grow more sophisticated, but hopefully the product will still be essentially Korean. I think Koreans living abroad are starting to feel alienated and insecure when they see native Koreans enjoying more sophisticated lifestyles than they are (via dramas). I can foresee that the ?€?diaspora?€™ will end up more ?´Œ??¤?????Œ than the natives, especially considering Korea is more international in its consumption of culture compared to the more insular, domestic consumption found in the states. At any rate, I do wish Koreans would just be content with themselves wherever they are (North Koreans excluded). Oh, and that historical drama was probably Damo. And that Kim Tae Hee is hot, more so because she?€™s smart too (SNU caliber). ?€œ?€?Yong-sama??€?

To give credit to the natives, they have discriminating tastes too. I know as many Korean yoohaksengs who shudder in revulsion while watching Winter Sonata as those who have enjoyed it. I liked it.

You have to know how to watch a Korean drama, like the way you?€™d approach watching Spiderman or Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Otherwise, you?€™d be leaving the theatre informing others around you how Chinese people don?€™t fly in real life.

I think exporting Korean culture through dramas is definitely a good thing for Korea, especially with Western culture doling out images that are not very flattering. And with time, Korean media will grow more sophisticated, but hopefully the product will still be essentially Korean.

I think Koreans living abroad are starting to feel alienated and insecure when they see native Koreans enjoying more sophisticated lifestyles than they are (via dramas). I can foresee that the ?€?diaspora?€™ will end up more ?´Œ??¤?????Œ than the natives, especially considering Korea is more international in its consumption of culture compared to the more insular, domestic consumption found in the states.

At any rate, I do wish Koreans would just be content with themselves wherever they are (North Koreans excluded).

Oh, and that historical drama was probably Damo. And that Kim Tae Hee is hot, more so because she?€™s smart too (SNU caliber).

]]> By: Blog of the Pythi Master http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9039 Blog of the Pythi Master Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:46:01 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9039 Korean WMD's My parents get a few Korean TV channels via satellite, and this afternoon my dad was watching one of those TV dramas that I absolutely cannot stand. Apparently, a certain Japanese acquaintance of my Mom's is a big fan of... Korean WMD’s
My parents get a few Korean TV channels via satellite, and this afternoon my dad was watching one of those TV dramas that I absolutely cannot stand. Apparently, a certain Japanese acquaintance of my Mom’s is a big fan of…

]]> By: dogbert http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9038 dogbert Wed, 08 Dec 2004 23:04:30 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9038 Unless UCLA has changed a lot since I went there (admittedly, nearly 20 years ago), I don't think that's UCLA. It does look quite like parts of the USC campus however. Actually, at the time I was at UCLA, the university had a strict policy against commercial filming on campus and routinely denied requests to film there. Unless UCLA has changed a lot since I went there (admittedly, nearly 20 years ago), I don’t think that’s UCLA. It does look quite like parts of the USC campus however. Actually, at the time I was at UCLA, the university had a strict policy against commercial filming on campus and routinely denied requests to film there.

]]> By: pooh http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9037 pooh Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:20:57 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9037 virtual wonderer: oh my god, thank you for the laugh - I laughed so hard, I'm crying. Now, I gotta rent that movie again. On the issue of bad acting in Korean - I remember that, in the 70's, entertainment industry (including sports) was still considered a 'lower-class' business, the way they were in the Victorian era, i.e. only poor people aspired to use their god-given talents to entertain (or humiliate themselves in front of) the public. So, I'd say Korean entertainment has yet to develop into its potential. virtual wonderer: oh my god, thank you for the laugh - I laughed so hard, I’m crying. Now, I gotta rent that movie again.

On the issue of bad acting in Korean - I remember that, in the 70’s, entertainment industry (including sports) was still considered a ‘lower-class’ business, the way they were in the Victorian era, i.e. only poor people aspired to use their god-given talents to entertain (or humiliate themselves in front of) the public. So, I’d say Korean entertainment has yet to develop into its potential.

]]> By: virtual wonderer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9036 virtual wonderer Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:37:49 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9036 Pooh, Don't forget, "Jjajangmyung, Jjambbong! ATTACK!!" Mr. Han is trully a man of extra-ordinary magnitude. We should all give him a big hand. Pooh,

Don’t forget, “Jjajangmyung, Jjambbong! ATTACK!!”

Mr. Han is trully a man of extra-ordinary magnitude. We should all give him a big hand.

]]> By: Brendon Carr http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9035 Brendon Carr Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:36:17 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9035 pooh's comment re: Asian-American actors being given "Korean" dialogue brings to mind the ABC television drama LOST. This season they've got Daniel Dae Kim, a Korean-American, playing "Korean man" and in my opinion -- and the opinion of a lot of viewers, it seems, from this webpage some crazed fan put up -- his Korean is pretty obviously non-native. He puts it up to a "Kyongsang-do accent" but when compared to Korean-American actress Yunjin Kim (from "Swiri") it's clear that he is struggling. Poor guy. This is the first time he's been given any actual character to play, and they make him a caricature "wifebeater Korean man" (but let's not get started on the "gangster chaebol owner" father-in-law from their backstory) plus force him to speak this foreign language. Anyway, it's pretty interesting that this drama features so much foreign language dialogue. pooh’s comment re: Asian-American actors being given “Korean” dialogue brings to mind the ABC television drama LOST. This season they’ve got Daniel Dae Kim, a Korean-American, playing “Korean man” and in my opinion — and the opinion of a lot of viewers, it seems, from this webpage some crazed fan put up — his Korean is pretty obviously non-native. He puts it up to a “Kyongsang-do accent” but when compared to Korean-American actress Yunjin Kim (from “Swiri”) it’s clear that he is struggling. Poor guy. This is the first time he’s been given any actual character to play, and they make him a caricature “wifebeater Korean man” (but let’s not get started on the “gangster chaebol owner” father-in-law from their backstory) plus force him to speak this foreign language.

Anyway, it’s pretty interesting that this drama features so much foreign language dialogue.

]]> By: pooh http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9034 pooh Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:39:59 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9034 funny - on American TV shows such as the notable "Shield" on FX channel, the actors hired to be "Korean-Americans" can barely utter a decent sentence in Korean. Of course, as I grimace and chuckle, my non-Korean husband thinks he must have missed an inside joke. Kinda like the cult movie "Kentucky Fried Movie", the ninjas are Korean and, in one scene, the actors complain that they weren't given any specific lines but were told to just say anything in Korean - I was the only one in my college dorm room to burst out laughing. Ah, the wonderful world of "acting". funny - on American TV shows such as the notable “Shield” on FX channel, the actors hired to be “Korean-Americans” can barely utter a decent sentence in Korean. Of course, as I grimace and chuckle, my non-Korean husband thinks he must have missed an inside joke. Kinda like the cult movie “Kentucky Fried Movie”, the ninjas are Korean and, in one scene, the actors complain that they weren’t given any specific lines but were told to just say anything in Korean - I was the only one in my college dorm room to burst out laughing. Ah, the wonderful world of “acting”.

]]> By: Brian Ridge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9033 Brian Ridge Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:39:18 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9033 THey should have done Love Story in University of Wiconsin. Brian THey should have done Love Story in University of Wiconsin.

Brian

]]> By: D. Lee http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/forget-nochul-gate-this-is-the-scandal/#comment-9032 D. Lee Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:51:05 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1301#comment-9032 Hey Aaron, If I remember correctly, I walked by one store in ?Œ€??™?¡œ...(though I could be mistaken about the location). At any rate, I walked by a store that was selling both official Harvard and Yale clothing and nothing else. For reference--from a 1998 Yale daily news article... Even if Yale beats Harvard in the name-recognition game where Korea is concerned, Harvard and other big-name institutions have been successfully competing in this insignia marketplace for much longer. "We're just trying to catch up," Kauder said, adding that Yale hopes to enter a market which averages $5 million in annual sales for both the University of Michigan and UCLA, as well as produced roughly $2 million for Harvard last year. link to the whole article <a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=9469" rel="nofollow">http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=9469</a> As far as wearing Harvard clothing on campus...it seems the undergrads and HBS students do it a lot more. It just seemed there were always a few people wearing stuff, especially in most of my non-seminar classes. In terms of Korea, I think UCLA clothing has the larges market share compared to the other universities...at least that's what I remember when I was working (in a previous life) on licensing agreements related to UCLA clothing being sold in Korea. Hey Aaron,

If I remember correctly, I walked by one store in ?Œ€??™?¡œ…(though I could be mistaken about the location). At any rate, I walked by a store that was selling both official Harvard and Yale clothing and nothing else.

For reference–from a 1998 Yale daily news article…

Even if Yale beats Harvard in the name-recognition game where Korea is concerned, Harvard and other big-name institutions have been successfully competing in this insignia marketplace for much longer.

“We’re just trying to catch up,” Kauder said, adding that Yale hopes to enter a market which averages $5 million in annual sales for both the University of Michigan and UCLA, as well as produced roughly $2 million for Harvard last year.

link to the whole article

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=9469

As far as wearing Harvard clothing on campus…it seems the undergrads and HBS students do it a lot more. It just seemed there were always a few people wearing stuff, especially in most of my non-seminar classes. In terms of Korea, I think UCLA clothing has the larges market share compared to the other universities…at least that’s what I remember when I was working (in a previous life) on licensing agreements related to UCLA clothing being sold in Korea.

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