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		<title>By: gmblng</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/12/03/bucket-of-sweat-will-determine-the-straws-on-my-business-card/#comment-9070</link>
		<dc:creator>gmblng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Budaechigae II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Budaechigae II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arirang TV Faces Challenges in the New Year
I guess not many people watch Arirang TV, as the Joongang Ilbo says it might face an uphill battle to stay on the air in 2005 :

 Arirang TV s future up in the air

January 03, 2005 ¤? In the coming year, the employees of Arirang TV, Korea s sole ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arirang TV Faces Challenges in the New Year<br />
I guess not many people watch Arirang TV, as the Joongang Ilbo says it might face an uphill battle to stay on the air in 2005 :</p>
<p> Arirang TV s future up in the air</p>
<p>January 03, 2005 ¤? In the coming year, the employees of Arirang TV, Korea s sole &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamel,

Sorry about the mix-up.  

Anyway, with Rob1 using his really name on the blog now, I guess everyone can be called marmots now.  It's like a frick'n colony or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamel,</p>
<p>Sorry about the mix-up.  </p>
<p>Anyway, with Rob1 using his really name on the blog now, I guess everyone can be called marmots now.  It&#8217;s like a frick&#8217;n colony or something.</p>
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		<title>By: dkapflzks</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkapflzks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leone - 

I would guess that you'd tend to migrate toward people who would be open-minded enough to accept your preferences anyway.  If you come out to them and their feelings change because you're not who they thought you were, well THEY'RE not who you thought they were either.

As for "not being wholly honest" - give yourself a break man. I would imagine that life here is enough of a struggle without beating yourself up for not being a social martyr for your brethren. Excuse yourself for being a bit machiavellian when the situation calls for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leone - </p>
<p>I would guess that you&#8217;d tend to migrate toward people who would be open-minded enough to accept your preferences anyway.  If you come out to them and their feelings change because you&#8217;re not who they thought you were, well THEY&#8217;RE not who you thought they were either.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;not being wholly honest&#8221; - give yourself a break man. I would imagine that life here is enough of a struggle without beating yourself up for not being a social martyr for your brethren. Excuse yourself for being a bit machiavellian when the situation calls for it!</p>
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		<title>By: robertneff103</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertneff103</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy -
You should change your name and join us.  Hamel has already secretly changed his name to Robert but just doesn't use it in public.  

Leone
I agree with dkapflzks about the coming out to people.  When I meant taking responsibility for your posts and for using real names in no way was I speaking about you.  I think that people who write inflammatory things or things that are highly controversal should be willing to stand behind them instead of hiding behind a "nick."

Your situation is completely different and I of course wish you the best of luck in your decision.  A few of the people on this blog know that I am writing an article on the Sexual Relations during the Late Choson Dynasty and I am really amazed at the opinions of homosexuality during this period.  I think that Koreans have opened up to it a lot in the past couple of years but there are still social stigma and you will need to proceed carefully - especially if you are a teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy -<br />
You should change your name and join us.  Hamel has already secretly changed his name to Robert but just doesn&#8217;t use it in public.  </p>
<p>Leone<br />
I agree with dkapflzks about the coming out to people.  When I meant taking responsibility for your posts and for using real names in no way was I speaking about you.  I think that people who write inflammatory things or things that are highly controversal should be willing to stand behind them instead of hiding behind a &#8220;nick.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your situation is completely different and I of course wish you the best of luck in your decision.  A few of the people on this blog know that I am writing an article on the Sexual Relations during the Late Choson Dynasty and I am really amazed at the opinions of homosexuality during this period.  I think that Koreans have opened up to it a lot in the past couple of years but there are still social stigma and you will need to proceed carefully - especially if you are a teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Leone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your general view that people should have the courage of their own convictions in what they say and stand by their posts.

However,I am a gay guy and very new to Korea finding that the idea of being gay to Koreans is very alien and I would guess abhorrent. I'm struggling with this as I have met some really great people but feel as if I'm being untruthful about myself and decieving them. I've reconciled this in my own mind by deciding that maybe I'll come out to those people who I establish a good relationship with over time. I do worry though that they will reject me and that my life here will become impossible if my sexuality is publicly known.

In other words and in relation to your post, I'm being anonymous for practical reasons although I kind of hate myself for doing so and feel that I'm letting myself and others down (ie. other gay people and people I meet for not being wholly honest). But hey - do I ask them what they do in their bedroom - NO. The truth is I'm not sure how to proceed - any advice? Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your general view that people should have the courage of their own convictions in what they say and stand by their posts.</p>
<p>However,I am a gay guy and very new to Korea finding that the idea of being gay to Koreans is very alien and I would guess abhorrent. I&#8217;m struggling with this as I have met some really great people but feel as if I&#8217;m being untruthful about myself and decieving them. I&#8217;ve reconciled this in my own mind by deciding that maybe I&#8217;ll come out to those people who I establish a good relationship with over time. I do worry though that they will reject me and that my life here will become impossible if my sexuality is publicly known.</p>
<p>In other words and in relation to your post, I&#8217;m being anonymous for practical reasons although I kind of hate myself for doing so and feel that I&#8217;m letting myself and others down (ie. other gay people and people I meet for not being wholly honest). But hey - do I ask them what they do in their bedroom - NO. The truth is I&#8217;m not sure how to proceed - any advice? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: robertneff103</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamel,

I have noticed the same thing that you have - many people believe that Robert "Marmot" is actually posting all of these posts.  I think that you have to take it from a different point of view - Marmot's Hole has become somewhat of an institution and I think that "Marmot" is just a reference to the site..., I know that this makes absolutely no sense - I just can't think how to word it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamel,</p>
<p>I have noticed the same thing that you have - many people believe that Robert &#8220;Marmot&#8221; is actually posting all of these posts.  I think that you have to take it from a different point of view - Marmot&#8217;s Hole has become somewhat of an institution and I think that &#8220;Marmot&#8221; is just a reference to the site&#8230;, I know that this makes absolutely no sense - I just can&#8217;t think how to word it</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The Contenders" is even better if you watch it live. Despite the fake cheerfulness of the female host, she is utterly bitchy when the cameras aren't rolling ^-^ You all owe it to yourselves to catch an episode in the Arirang studio, which if I remember correctly is near Nambu Bus Terminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Contenders&#8221; is even better if you watch it live. Despite the fake cheerfulness of the female host, she is utterly bitchy when the cameras aren&#8217;t rolling ^-^ You all owe it to yourselves to catch an episode in the Arirang studio, which if I remember correctly is near Nambu Bus Terminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks to Andy for explaining the possible provenance of this interesting piece of language. I admit it is plausible, but still don't like it as English.

By the way, it was I that wrote this post, not Marmot - people still haven't noticed that there are (is?) more than one author now.

Wooj: I too loved those PSAs (public service announcements) on AF(K)N, back when I had it in the 1990s. I also remember the fraud waste and abuse one about the guy who wanted to drive his company car home late one rainy night, and the guy who called his mum/mom using his office phone, and the mother was a guy in drag. Let's not forget Airman Gerry whatsisname,, who provided the most scintillating weather forecasts in 1996 (when I didn't know Fahrenheit yet - still struggle with it) and only knew two things to do with his hands: shrug self-deprecatingly or point vaguely in the direction of the weather map.

I rather like Arirang's Heart to Heart, if only because I find the host so endearingly cute and her voice somewhat hypnotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks to Andy for explaining the possible provenance of this interesting piece of language. I admit it is plausible, but still don&#8217;t like it as English.</p>
<p>By the way, it was I that wrote this post, not Marmot - people still haven&#8217;t noticed that there are (is?) more than one author now.</p>
<p>Wooj: I too loved those PSAs (public service announcements) on AF(K)N, back when I had it in the 1990s. I also remember the fraud waste and abuse one about the guy who wanted to drive his company car home late one rainy night, and the guy who called his mum/mom using his office phone, and the mother was a guy in drag. Let&#8217;s not forget Airman Gerry whatsisname,, who provided the most scintillating weather forecasts in 1996 (when I didn&#8217;t know Fahrenheit yet - still struggle with it) and only knew two things to do with his hands: shrug self-deprecatingly or point vaguely in the direction of the weather map.</p>
<p>I rather like Arirang&#8217;s Heart to Heart, if only because I find the host so endearingly cute and her voice somewhat hypnotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marmot,

I don't know if you were really asking a question but I think I know what that tag line is talking about.

I believe that the 'straws' in "Bucket of sweat will determine the straws on my business card?€?are the material of the card.  I think 'fibers' would have been a better word.

Low-end business cards are smooth and flimsy.  As you move on up in the world, you get thicker cards with a rougher-feeling texture.  When you have really made it, your cards will look and feel like stiff cloth (you can even see the individual fibers).

When you give your business card to a Korean businessman and he looks at it for the traditional several seconds that most Koreans do, he can partially judge your position in a company or the success of your business by the card's thickness and texture.

In short the straws of your business card is a status symbol.  The ad could have just as easily said?€œBucket of sweat will determine the car in my driveway."

I think I'll post this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marmot,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you were really asking a question but I think I know what that tag line is talking about.</p>
<p>I believe that the &#8217;straws&#8217; in &#8220;Bucket of sweat will determine the straws on my business card?€?are the material of the card.  I think &#8216;fibers&#8217; would have been a better word.</p>
<p>Low-end business cards are smooth and flimsy.  As you move on up in the world, you get thicker cards with a rougher-feeling texture.  When you have really made it, your cards will look and feel like stiff cloth (you can even see the individual fibers).</p>
<p>When you give your business card to a Korean businessman and he looks at it for the traditional several seconds that most Koreans do, he can partially judge your position in a company or the success of your business by the card&#8217;s thickness and texture.</p>
<p>In short the straws of your business card is a status symbol.  The ad could have just as easily said?€œBucket of sweat will determine the car in my driveway.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll post this.</p>
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