A US friend of mine who has been living here since 1996 and working in the ESL industry told me this story recently.
He was standing at a pedestrian crossing outside Hanguk University of Foreign Studies train station, heading for the university. He was dressed quite formally - he is a 50 year old southern gentleman who owns no jeans - and carrying a stachel-type leather bag on his shoulder. (NB: I do not intend this description to carry any significance on its own; it’s justfor descriptive purposes.)
Suddenly a policeman came to him and asked him politely in English if he could inspect my friend’s bag. When my friend asked why, the policeman explained that it was a new instruction by the commissioner and that in the current climate terrorism was a threat etc etc. Then, in the words of my friend, “he made a slip-up - he said that all foreigners had to be checked. Oh, I said, foreigners eh?” The policeman stammered and stuttered and said he’d made a mistake - that it was all people who’s bags were to be checked.
My friend opened his satchel to reveal his non-lethal looking books and pens, and walked away from the policeman, not looking at him out of disgust.
Questions:
1) has this happened to anyone else here recently with a similar explanation?
2) is this a new policy by Seoul police?
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Tim McVeigh was Arab???
Nulji Maripkan wrote:
“did you know there are blond and blue arabs? i know because i’ve seen them. tim mcveigh didn’t look arab did he?”
Did you mean “Muslims” or “Arabs”? There are, of course, some blond, occasionally blue-eyed Circassians (and T. E. Laurance passed for one), who are not ethnically Arabs but who are now Middle Eastern and speak Arabic. Most of the blond, blue-eyed Muslims are recent non-Arabic converts or people in European Muslim areas like Bosnia or the Caucasus (if the Caucasus is European).
There is some speculation that Timothy McVeigh converted to Islam as a soldier during the Gulf War of 1991. I’ve seen no strong evidence for this and attribute the rumor to some (not you, Nulji Maripkan) who wish to blame as much terrorism as possible on Islamists.
Was McVeigh blue-eyed?
Jeffery Hodges
As an undergrad at Yonsei late eighties I was searched on more than a few occasions, but when it happened it was usually because they weren’t making exceptions and they were searching everyone who wasn’t in high heels.
The law currently requires a police officer identify himself and state the reason for the search if you demand to know, so people might wanna keep that in mind.
“The law currently requires a police officer identify himself and state the reason for the search if you demand to know, so people might wanna keep that in mind.”
Question: according to the hearsay account that I reported above, was what the policeman reportedly said to my friend “reason” enough?
Been ID’ed several times on the street in the late nineties but only remember being searched once, when I resisted showing my ID at the campus gate to riot police. Bah. Teachers (and occasionally policemen, if you were wearing a uniform and “did something suspicious”) did searches in high school too, btw, but that was to find pornography and cigarettes.
Not the same situation but a similar situation happened to me a few years ago.
I was walking along the street when a police car went by. They looked at me, stopped, backed up, got out of their car and started asking me questions. They asked for my ID. They did the usual tactic of asking the same question a few times in different ways to try to see if my “story” meshed while speaking mostly in Korean. I asked them why they stopped me and they didn’t have a good answer. It was along the lines of “gu Nyang” or just because. They offered a ride to my off campus dorm for the foreign teachers at the University I was working at. When I got out they got out, checked the dorm sign, and made sure I went into my apartment. They were not rude and it was nice that they gave me a ride. While I felt it was not a big deal, I still felt a little discriminated against.
It is nice to know the law about searching bags. I have a few friends that would probably tell the police officer to screw off.
A friend of mine from Seoul National was walking around Shinchon one day, a day when the hanchongryun kids decided to do a little “demo”. Now, this friend of mine is a very politically conservative guy. The riot police started to cordone off Shinchon and asked for his ID. The police said, “What is a Seoul National student doing in Shinchon on the day of Demo? Are you a rioter?!!” For the first time in his life he said that he ate “Kong-bap” and spent the night in jail hanging out and making friends with student demonstrators.
The incompetence of Korea’s police is legendary, and you all have my sympathies. I am very sure there was some racial profile action going on.
I’ve never been checked on the street by the police, perhaps because I’m not often on the street. When I am on the street, however, I must look a bit suspicious since I’m usually to be seen walking through Osan about 4:30 a.m. on my way to a bus stop in an area frequented by the ladies of the night (no, not vampires, though a certain vital bodily fluid is involved, or so I’m informed).
I understand the policy of checking foreigners. It’s called profiling, and it’s foreigners who fit the profile of being the most likely to commit acts of terrorism, which Korea does need to worry about now. But checking ALL foreigners is a waste of police time since a more precise terrorist profile doesn’t fit English teachers or businessmen. There aren’t many Al-Qaeda among us.
The police would be more effective (and far more efficient) if they checked foreign individuals more likely to harbor Islamist views.
Jeffery Hodges
P.S. In the case above, it’s also possible that the policeman was merely curious and wanted to see what sort of things a foreigner might carry in his bag (perhaps like the ajummas that Kevin once described).
RE: “Question: according to the hearsay account that I reported above, was what the policeman reportedly said to my friend ?€œreason?€? enough?”
I don’t know what is “enough.” But the person apparently has the right to ask and an answer is supposed to be given. I doubt that the reason has to be reasonable by any means.
RE: “It is nice to know the law about searching bags. I have a few friends that would probably tell the police officer to screw off.”
One might have the right to tell them to screw off, but in most cases they probably have the right to inspect the bag anyway.
Kindly note that the whole “ask and get some sort of answer” process is not a negotiation. The difference is that currently they have to say more to you than “lets see your bag.”
Naturally, the police are trying to get the law changed so that they can tell you any old reason and then fine or detain you for not cooperating.
hey. why’s this file under stupid foreigner tricks? seems like this is a “stupid korean trick”. you guys need a need a new category.
A friend connected to Yongsan base security recently urged me to “stay out of Itaewon” and said that he’d completely forbid his son and wife from going. You’ll have to take it from me that he’s a pretty serious, sober guy not given to bullshitting.
It seems that several locations are being systematically and actively surveilled by, ahem, Islamic looking xpats. It doesn’t take much to imagine places like Gecko’s or Limelight becoming the next Bali. I for one plan to stay away from the district for a good long while…
I wonder if this isn’t the Korean police’s inefficient response?
i went to the airport some seven months after 911 to pick up a friend.
the blond man in the car in front of me was waved through by the white
police officer. when he got to me, he searched my whole car. it made me
angry but i didn’t say anything.
white americans support racial profiling unless they’re in korea being
racially profiled. now you know how it feels. good for you. think about it
the next time you conservative wanks wonder why us colored folk here would be
against such a thing.
I bet the person who got searched, looked like a middle easterner. I just don’t see the reason why the police would search the bags of a blonde white man, as opposed to searching the bags of a man who look Middle Easterner (this may include anyone of Greek, Italian, Spanish, or Hispanic ethnic stocks - to Korean cops, they all may look like a Muslims.)
‘why would they search a blond man?’
did you know there are blond and blue arabs? i know because i’ve seen them.
tim mcveigh didn’t look arab did he?
Was his Muslim name Timhommed Al-Veigh?
Did he ever work at a 7-11?
(Presents self to be duly chasened for that comment)
To Uljiro Marzipan/Shin Jong Il:
ever the bitter one, aren’t you?
Perhaps Koreans are right to racially profile foreigners in Korea - I just want to know if they are, so I can know where I stand in this place.
Timothy McVeigh was not, to my knowledge, an Arab.
Oh, and there are Korean moslems too. Did you know that? Shall we include them with the racial profile?
If you hate America so much (and it seems clear to most of us here you do - for the record I am not American and have never lived there) why not leave and come back to your ?ª¨???
Well, int the seven + years I lived in Korea the only time I ever had any contact with a cop who was not trying to help me in one way or other was then I made an illegal left turn in my car. Then he apologised and let me go.
Going through security at Gwangju airport a few months back I was asked to take off my shoes, while the rest of the locals walked on by.
When I lived in Japan longer ago than I’d care to recall, I used to get stopped by the Japanese police all the time, who wanted to see my passport. I think it was because I was accompanied by a prettier Japanese girl than they could attract. Humans are the same sorry lot everywhere, it seems.
tim mcveigh was white. did we start to profile whites? nope.
and so the fuck what if you’re not from the states, hamel. let me guess,
canada, right? trash come from there too. let me guess, ‘english’
teacher, right? high class guy who had to go to korea to make it. right?
yeah, right!
btw, anything to say about my story? do you think it was right?
btw, most of you think i hate my country? really? most of you also
believe that saddam and al qaeda were connected and that rush limbaugh
is god on earth. bunch of morons.
loves fox news, supports racial profiling except when it’s him, believes
he has the moral authority to kill others, believes us under bush
is always right, drinks beer, drives big pickup, many family members married
to one another, ignant, english teacher.
Nulji Maripkan/Shin Jong Il:
“tim mcveigh was white. did we start to profile whites? nope.”
Who are ‘we’? Usually in your comments here you use ‘us’ and ‘we’ to refer to Koreans. If so, then it seems Korean authorities racial profile all foreigners, if my friend’s story is any indication.
“and so the f*** what if you?€™re not from the states, hamel.”
Testy. The point is most of your vitriol is directed against Americans (as above in comment 10). Are you an equal opportunity hater? Why not be an equal opportunity lover?
“let me guess, canada, right? trash come from there too. let me guess, ?€?english?€™teacher, right? high class guy who had to go to korea to make it. right?
yeah, right!”
Wrong on all counts, but hey, who’s counting? It makes no difference to you, right? I’m a westerner who has the hubris to criticise Korea once in a while - and praise it too - which is enough to draw down your ire. Take a Pepto Bismol and calm down. Please.
“btw, anything to say about my story? do you think it was right?”
Do I think it was truthful? I am sure you told it exactly as you experienced it - I wouldn’t call you a liar. Do I think it was just? If indeed the white police officer made his judgement on the basis of you being Asian then no, it was not just. What do you expect me to say? To defend racism in western countries but deplore it in Korea?
“btw, most of you think i hate my country? really?”
Now I am really confused. Which is your country? Is it the US? Is it the ROK? Is it both? Are you suffering an identity crisis?
“most of you also believe that saddam and al qaeda were connected and that rush limbaugh is god on earth. bunch of morons.”
You’re speaking over my head, Nulji/Shin.
“loves fox news, supports racial profiling except when it?€™s him, believes he has the moral authority to kill others, believes us under bush is always right, drinks beer, drives big pickup, many family members married to one another, ignant, english teacher. ”
lah-de-dah. Oh and by the way - it’s spelt “ignorant”. You maybe could do with a private English teacher of your own.
It seems to me that you are an Angry Asian who has been hurt by the experience of living in America. I sometimes meet the Angry Expat who has had the converse in Korea. I recall one guy who posted here who apparently had every kind of dishonour and threat and attack heaped upon him. My advice to people like him: “I’m sorry about your experiences. They must have been terrible for you. Maybe it’s time to go home.” I say the same to you, Nulji. If America is so filled with hate and Anti-Asian sentiment, maybe it’s time to do the Korean aliyah and come home.
I don’t think that there is somekind of a racial profiling going on against Westerners for the sole purpose of harassing them. I think it’s entirely possible that there is a racial profiling going on against Middle Eastern looking people (terrorism fears), and also probably against South Asians (they may look like illegal immigrants). And maybe an unfortunate Westerner who look like one of the racially profiled maybe unfortuate enough to get caught in it.
nulji maripkan I would not insult people, particularly their intelligence since you thought Tim McVeigh was an arab. Obviously you don’t know the difference between ethnicity and religion.
hamel, through all that writing, you didn’t answer my main
question: was it right that the police racially profiled me? it was
wrong for you but not for me? typical expat whinning about how life is so unfair.
get over yourself there in korea. you’re nothing special. once you realize
that, you’ll be better off. you see, that’s really the problem with you expats;
you think you’re more than you really are. that’s why you have problems in korea.
the koreans know you ain’t shit.
thanks for your post. hope it didn’t take you long
ps YOU’RE the one who started talking about racial profiling,
right?
typical expat whinning about how life is so unfair.
get over yourself there in korea. you?€™re nothing special. once you realize that, you?€™ll be better off.
Well, I like to think everyone is special, but if we’re going to argue along these lines, can I assume that means you believe that you yourself “ain’t shit” as well, just to be consistent? Or is that construct ethnically and geographically limited?
mr marmot, of course i’m consistant; i’m nobody special and i don’t dain
to think that i am. i’m just one individual in a sea of individuals trying
to make it in this world. the thing with the police officer at the airport made
me mad but i understood it. many of you in korea should do the same.
and just to reinterate: i’m not the one who brought up the subject of racial
profiling.
ps hamel, i wrote ‘ignant’ on purpose. seems you’re not familiar with american slang.
that’s ok; i don’t expect you to know the ins-and-outs of my country’s language.
have a good day
Nulji Maripkan. It is common sense that people will generally be searched in port of entries such as airports. Last time I went back to the States I (a white male) was searched while many Asians were not. I didn’t feel it was racial profiling. I was in an airport and they randomly search people in airports. For example, every 5th person will be searched. I just happened to be the X person that they were going to search. Maybe, just maybe the same thing happened to you. But I am sure that the US is very concerned about North East Asians and use racial profiling on them all the time.
Nulji/Shin JI:
I answered your question. Perhaps you missed it. Check again.
I did not mention racial profiling in my post.
You still haven’t taken that pepto bismol(TM) have you?
(BTW, did you write ‘dain’ on purpose too?)
Racial profiling goes on everywhere, it may not seem fair, but that’s the way it is. Even in the United States, blacks and hispanics have always complained that they are stopped by the Police just because they are black and hispanic.
is that all you got, hamel? all you can do is talk about spelling?
waz a madder? wacked that you can’t get amercian verbage? y’am poor
with spelling. so what? you dug what i vibed, now, didn’t ya, hee haw?
as for your addressing racial profiling here in the states, you didn’t
address it all, just a smarmy answer, that’s all. and like i said, it angered me but i
understood why the cop may have searched my car; everybody was afraid after 911 just like koreans are afraid for supporting bush.
are you and your friend willing to give the k cop the benefit of the doubt? maybe, they
had a policy to stop every fith foreigner they saw.
ps did you take some pepto before writing to me?
Dear Mr. nulji maripkan,
I think you’re special.
Be strong!
Love,
Oranckay.
PS: Give Lux Bearer a kiss for me if you see him.
I don’t have any irrefutable evidence right in front of me, but I’m pretty sure that some of those hostage-taking, hostage-beheading, hostage-beheading-videotaping insurgents in Iraq are guilty of (gasp!) … racial profiling!
Nulji Maripkan. It would probably take the Korean police a good couple of weeks to spot 5 foreigners in the city I was in. They would probably forget just what number the foreigner was. “Was that the fourth or fifth foreigner we saw this month Mr. Lee?” Oh well lets just stop him.
Anyways my point is the cop that stopped you at the airport ( a place known for searches) probably had a policy of stopping every fifth “PERSON”!!!!! Which is not racial profiling. Stopping every fifth “foreigner” on the street ( not usually a high traffic search area) would be racial profiling.
Uljiro Marzipan: you have changed my words. I never said you claim to live in Korea. Check again. And answer the question if you want to.
I don’t say you are despicable - more to be pitied. You are angry and full of hate, and quite possibly also racist. I don’t think you ruin the debate though, as your arguments don’t make sense on any logical level. They are more of an amusing distraction from the debate itself, and I wonder why I bother to reply to you most times. I don’t want you to go away, because people should know that there are folks out there that think like you, and who cannot (or wilfully will not) engage in rational debate.
I agree with Oranckay - you are special.
Love from me.
always got excuses, eh, nonkorean? maybe there was a policy at the airport
but then, maybe the cop just searched my car because of my ethnicity. and if
you’re trying to tell me such things don’t happen here on a large scale,
i’d say you’re just blind. racial profiling goes on here all the time. just like
in korea. but folks like you only bitch about it when you’re the subject. get over it
and show some consistancy.
‘don’t you know? it’s only a problem when it happens to me!’ murphy brown
As an undergrad at Yonsei late eighties I was searched on more than a few occasions, but when it happened it was usually because they weren?€™t making exceptions and they were searching everyone who wasn?€™t in high heels.
Strangely enough, some years ago, when I was spending some time in a research centre my Uni shares with Yonsei, I have seen the police frisking kids and looking at their bags, in front of Yonsei, a few days before 8.15, and they never, ever, asked me anything, and back then I had very long hair, and was wearing the usual student attire… But then again, back then, they let us foreigners pretty much alone.
dda: Not if you ask Brian Myers they didn’t.
Uljiro Marzipan: you just won’t be reached, will you? Correct me if I’m wrong on this, but your line seems to be that you claim both Korea and the US as “your country”, which means you have a right to say what you like about either (though you seem to save most of your negative stuff for America), but to everyone else on this blog - unless they are racially Korean - they are nothing and have no right to say anything critical about Korea. Is that pretty much right?
nulji maripkan: methinks you’re barking up the wrong tree. Most of the non-Koreans in Korea are actually pretty cool. I mean, they HAVE to be if they’re actually here, don’t ya think? It’s the people who don’t have a passport and have never left their middle/southern American towns that we should be scared about. I’m overgeneralizing, but you get my drift…Seriously, harboring all that anger isn’t good for you.
‘middle and southern american towns we need to be worried about.’ ladymckim
really, my lady? i’ve been and lived in the south and found it very pleasant.
in fact, all of the most important people in my life are from the south so you’ll
understand if i disagree.
my skin is not as thick as yours, lady mc. most reasonable koreans eventually
decide to leave blogs like this due to the excessive shit talking
by these allegedly ‘cool’ expats. however, i do thank you for your advice.
ps hamel, show me a post in which i say korea is my home.
expats to nulji: you are…angry, full of hate, despicable, racist,
wrong, uljiro marzipan, ruin the debate by showing up, pent up.
nulji to expats: you are…angry, full of hate, despicable, racist,
wrong, resident of idaho, ruin the debate by simply writing, pent up.
nulji maripkan. Actually I never claimed racial profiling never happens in America. Surely it does. But it is interesting that you made that H U G E jump. I was pointing out that your specific case was probably not racial profiling. That is all. But if you want to believe a cop at an airport ( a place that has a lot of searches) racially profiled you ( A Korean, not well known for terrorism)then you believe that.
Hmmm., I am definitely with Hamel and Oranckay on this - Uljiro Marzipan or whatever your name is - you are special.
I am still puzzled on why a person - such as you - who is so proud of his opinion doesn’t want to take credit for his opinion by standing by it and claiming it - you are consistent - but consistent in that you are willing to make wild and inaccurate statements but unwilling to let the whole world know who you are so that we may pay homage to you. It is a shame.
Racial profiling - occurs all the time. I have been stopped several times in Seoul/Chonan/Pyoungtaek and Tongdaechon, because I am a Westerner. Of course I know why they did it - checking passports. Makes sense to me. I have had the same thing happen in Taiwan. The person that wrote that he had friends that would tell the police to go screw themselves - I would not encourage that. In fact, I think that is pretty stupid. I can not imagine people in the United States telling a cop to screw himself and not expect to go to jail or face some other punishment. We have our rights but the police have a duty to protect us. I know that several years ago the police(?) stopped foreigners in the large apartment complexes to make sure that they weren’t privately teaching and part of their check was to search the bags and follow them. Again, reasonable. I think that it would be nice if the police told the Westerner/foreigner why they were conducting the search, but I don’t think it is required.
I also agree with another comment that someone made - for the most part I have found the police to be fairly polite and more than willing to help. I have heard the horror stories (what expat hasn’t) but I am pretty sure that there were other parts to their stories that they neglected to add or forgot. I really don’t think Korean police go out of their way to bother people - in fact I would almost say that they go out of their way not to be bothered by people.
Yonsei - I remember the police searching bags of students and anyone near the area when demostrations were going on. I also remember the “grabbers” that literally grabbed people on the fringe of demonstration areas to check them and their purpose for being in the area.
While in the military I went home on leave aboard Korean Airlines. Prior to us departing (we were already seated), a group of security officers/police? came on board the aircraft and had five of us get back off the plane and then they searched us (pat down). I don’t know why they chose me - and to be honest, I don’t remember how many of us were white/Asian/hispanic/ or Afro-American, but it didn’t really matter. I wasn’t upset by it, but only curious.
If you were singled out for a search just because you were Asian then that might be bad, but there might have been reasons for it. I also think that you were correct on the point that it is ok to do racial profiling as long as it isn’t me being profiled. I think a lot of people react that way.
As always - wishing you the best in your own little world.
Robert Neff
The other night I watched a program on the Discovery Channel along the line of the inner-workings of a murderer. Somehow reading the posts of a certain individual just on this string I feel that another program could be done on the inner-workings of a madman.
Please note that the English varies - some words tend to point to British English, others are outright attempts to use “slang” and other words are phrases like my grandmother might use, i.e, “smarmy.”
Hamel - you think that he quite possibly might be a racist……. I doubt it - I could find no proof what-so-ever that this individual is a racist. As to his debate skills - par with the drunk I saw on the subway last night - unable to stand on his own two feet and ranting and raving to all nearby.
Here are some of the highlights:
“think about it the next time you conservative wanks wonder why us colored folk here would be against such a thing.”
“and so the fuck what if you?€™re not from the states, hamel. let me guess,canada, right? trash come from there too. let me guess, ?€?english?€™teacher, right?”
“loves fox news, supports racial profiling except when it?€™s him, believes he has the moral authority to kill others, believes us under bush is always right, drinks beer, drives big pickup, many family members married to one another, ignant, english teacher.”
“typical expat whinning about how life is so unfair.
get over yourself there in korea. you?€™re nothing special. once you realize that, you?€™ll be better off. you see, that?€™s really the problem with you expats; you think you?€™re more than you really are. that?€™s why you have problems in korea. the koreans know you ain?€™t shit.”
i wrote ?€?ignant?€™ on purpose. seems you?€™re not familiar with american slang. that?€™s ok; i don?€™t expect you to know the ins-and-outs of my country?€™s language.”
* My note - I am familiar with my “country’s language” but must confess that I was never taught and do not use the word “ignant.”
“is that all you got, hamel? all you can do is talk about spelling? waz a madder? wacked that you can?€™t get amercian verbage? y?€™am poor with spelling. so what? you dug what i vibed, now, didn?€™t ya, hee haw?”
“just a smarmy answer”
“maybe there was a policy at the airport but then, maybe the cop just searched my car because of my ethnicity.”
*my note - for a person willing to give the police officer the benefit of the doubt this statement seems to contradict it.
“really, my lady? i?€™ve been and lived in the south and found it very pleasant. in fact, all of the most important people in my life are from the south so you?€™ll understand if i disagree.”
*my question - who are all these people from the south that are important in your life?
“my skin is not as thick as yours, lady mc. most reasonable koreans eventually decide to leave blogs like this due to the excessive shit talking
by these allegedly ?€?cool?€™ expats. however, i do thank you for your advice.
*Question - are you a “reasonable Korean?”
“nulji to expats: you are?€?angry, full of hate, despicable, racist,wrong, resident of idaho, ruin the debate by simply writing, pent up.”
Uljiro Marzipan
Today has been a rather slow day doing research and writing so I thought that I would take this opportunity to invite you to write constructively. You seem to feel that we “expats” always write negatively about Korea - I would be very interested in reading some of your thoughts - done in a cohesive manner on late Choson period. There are so many things that I still need to learn about this period and someone, like yourself, could probably provide me, “an expat,” with a different and important view. Please understand that it would be expected that you could and would provide your opinions and theories based on facts so that they could be checked and challenged.
It is a big world out here with many things to learn and I think that most of us are willing to learn. I hope that you will think about the offer - I am sure that the Marmot would be more than willing to allow your insight to be posted.
Wishing you the best in your own little world.
Robert Neff
Dear Mr. nulji maripkan,
I think you?€™re special.
Be strong!
Love,
Oranckay.
PS: Give Lux Bearer a kiss for me if you see him.
Right-o, where in botheration has our dear Luxie-poo gone? We do miss him, eh?
Mwahahahaha
‘i could find no evidence that this person (nulji) is a racist…’
least you got that one right, neff. i’m rather surprised on how focused all
you ‘english’ teachers are on me. don’t try so hard to provoke me; when
you get old, vision improves.
know what, neff? i’d like to know who jing is. i’d like to know his story.
how does he know so much about korea and write such beatiful english? now,
i’d like to know such things but since this is the internet, it’s his decison
to reveal himself. if he doesn’t, i’d be content to read his posts.
btw, yen jun, if you’re still out there, you were right; ‘hero’ was not a great
movie. just what did they spend that 35 million on? the psecial effects were ok but
you can see better special effects in korean movies made at less than half the price.
ps ‘you’re so special, nulji….’
i see you’re starting to use the same lines i use on you guys.
nulji maripkan
I find it amazing that you think every Westerner in Korea is an English teacher. Naturally no one would assume that of you - but, if using your blantant racist profiling - would I be far off the mark if I guessed you were a taxi driver, small mom-and-pop store owner, dry cleaner, or, God forbid, a student sponging off of mom and dad? Makes one wonder - but to be honest - that last one is probably way off the mark.
*Please note - I am not saying any of those occupations are bad - honest work is an honest living, but I am using them to characterize your sterotyping of Westerners
And as to your reasoning on why you don’t wish to use your real name when you are handing out so much fantastic wisdom - well, it sounds like a chicken-sh*t excuse (I am trying to use slang that you’re probably familiar with).
Wishing you the best (need I say it?) in your own little world
Robert Neff
NULJI READ THIS: This is why you were pulled aside and screened, Nulji. Ready? It wasn’t racial profiling, because frankly (and I am amazed no one has swatted this line of BS yet) your race - East Asian - is not Islamic. SouthEast Asian maybe. But you? No.
I have no doubt you were pulled over because of your look of rage, resentment and anger. Really. People think they keep it off, but cops know.
You’re an utterly worthless yuhaksaeng studying in the US, Nulji. There, how does that feel? I just presumed to know specific details of your life and even deeper, your value as a person, based on what I imagine to be your job. How did it feel? Do you have the courage to imagine for 2 minutes the hard grind of our western lives here in Korea? You sneer at ‘English teachers’ and ‘white guys’, but you totally miss the point of what we are experiencing. Your posts frequently use the trope “you white guys who think you are so full of shit get overseas and can’t handle not being masters”. Dude! Nulji! this is your own Korean xpat in America experience. A revenge fantasy against the various whites there who have irritated you. One of my co-workers has an exactly identical hatred of Koreans in America as yours, for the same reasons.
I think you are wrong about us being a ‘circled wagons’ bunch of xpats. To be honest, I have in the past gotten drunk, being stressed out of my mind with vaguely Korean-related things, and posted blathering nonsense insulting Koreans totally unfairly (I admit in the stress-free sober present). And guess what? the same people posting above you assume are anti-Korean bigots vehemently disagreed or actually spanked me on these boards.
I’m saying, they’re not just picking on you. Nulji, my take of you is that you’re an intelligent guy who really bullshits a lot and is not intellectually honest. Thing is, bullshit on the Marmot’s board, you’re gonna get disagreed with, because there are some smart fricking people here. That’s why it’s the best and biggest xpat blog in Korea. And that’s why you get flack, Nulji - not because of your opinion per se, but because you do not back it up with reasoned arguments and writing. And that is just not good enough on this blog.
Nulji, actually think about the posts above, and even this one. You are not told to fuck off and go away. Posters here get pissed at you, but most try to argue and explain to you. What does that mean? It means, perhaps, that at some level they recognize your intelligence and respond because intelligent people want to talk to other intelligent people.
If we were the grunting trailer trash you feel better imagining we were, Nulji, you would never see posts as above.
‘you white guys….’
i don’t use that kind of terminalogy, zdunk. show me the posts(plural) where
i write ‘white guys this and that’. don’t bother; not there. but i
understand that this is racial for you. why not ask your korean wife her advice?
if she don’t speak english too well and you no korean, ask your half KOREAN
children. how you talk shit about a people you marry and have children with?
oh and neff, you ask zdunk, usinkorea, slim, and the rest of the gang
about their personel stats. if they all respond, i might too.
forgot to write:
zdunk, you make blanket and racists statements all the time. you often tell
us how all koreans are based on the actions of a few koreans. simpletons
employ such logic, zdunk: i saw two americans pick their nose at the table, therefore,
all americans pick their nose at the table. you capiscii?
see any good korean movies, zdunk?
nulji maripkan,
I guess the problem in doing something like that might be that I already know some of them, because they, like me, are expat trash living in Korea.
To be honest, none of them appeal to me like you do. I look to you for inspiration (spiritual and intellectually) and thus it is only natural that I would desire to know more about “Your Divineship.” It is for this reason (illogical) that I appeal to you as a devoted servant - oh please nulji maripkan educate me, teach me, enlighten me, and most importantly……… pretend to be a man that is willing to take responsibility for your posts.
Humbly wishing you the best in your ever diminishing little world
Robert Neff
Oh, NULJI, you are so full of it. Your posts are full of racially based nastiness…you have accused all whites of being inbred, stupid, in korea as parasites, … your hatred of white people burns through in virtually every post you do. You ask me to show you the post….fuck that. I don’t have time to go trolling through the Marmot’s record for the manifold times you have shown your racial hatred of non-Koreans. And if I did, I am now convinced you would sidestep it and write an evasive post about x, y or z.
I admitted I have been on this board and written nonsense insulting Korea unfairly, and that now I would disclaim and apologize for it. Are you as big, Nulji? Is hatred of whitey your only underlying principle?
In a not so long ago post, when you called us “Trailor trash. Call your uncle ‘Dad’” are man enough to just say publicly it was drunken nonsense (I know drunken posts well-done lots of them. When I read your one, I immediately knew you were wasted posting it)
Back there in America, nulji, you have no clue about life here. You think it is just spoiled white boys indignant about not getting the royal treatment, but you are wrong. Bad things happen to perfectly sincere western teachers who come here. Korea is vicious on some foreign workers, no argument.
And you know, I do write things like “Koreans are greedy and hedonistic”. That is my opinion after living here 7 years. No, I don’t have a wife or children, although the fact that you mentioned them prominently shows that inter-racial marriage is on your mind.
Your racist Korean klu klux klan hatred of inter-racial marriage hits the climax in your following statement “why not ask your korean wife her advice?
if she don?€™t speak english too well and you no korean, ask your half KOREAN
children. how ”
How dare you? What kind of asshole are you to sneer at half-Korean children? To promote hatred against mixed race couples? Why don’t you go away and leave sane people alone?
Nulji, as far as I am concerned you had your chance. I will never read your posts again. It is now obvious to me you are a disgusting Korean racist interested in your own kKKK version of Korea than in a better global future.
ps Nulji: I speak Korean fluently and my fiancee speaks Engllsh fluently. Racist Asshole.
Has anyone seen the irony here?
Nulji/Shin seems to have no problem with whites and westerners as a group as long as they’re in the US/other western countries. (he wrote: “i?€™ve been and lived in the south and found it very pleasant. in fact, all of the most important people in my life are from the south”)
However, once these whites/westerners dare to come over to Korea for whetever reason, that is enough to bring down the wrath of Nulji/Shin.
Perhaps, if I were to play by his rules, I could say that I like all Koreans who live in Korea, but all Koreans living in other countries (like the US, ala Nulji/Shin) are despicable and opportunistic.
Zdunk: despite you calling me an idiot demagogue or somesuch, good luck with your wedding and that whole married life thing.
And I agree with you that it appears as if inter-racial marriages and relationships are something oft on Shin/Nulji’s mind - and for all the wrong reasons.
thanks for the apology, zdunk. no need for me to apologize since you’re way
off base. you cannot even prove your accusation;
you just say it’s so so therefore it is. the portrayal of you as hicks from the sticks
is a comment about you and not white folk in general. that’s even apparent to my student,
neff and neff is not so bright.
‘prove my accusation? FUCK THAT….’ zdunk
hey, zdunk, how the hell you gonna marry a korean? have you seen the
things you’ve written about them? that’s my point, zdunk. that’s what i can’t
understand about many of you. you’ll spend most of your time here talking shit about
the yemaek and yet you’re going to marry one? maybe you need some help with medication.
lastly…
‘if whites go to korea…enough for the wratch of nulji.’ hamel
isn’t mr marmot white? orankay is white too, i believe. gary rector was white?
anti laapen is white too, no?
i just wish korea could have more high quality westerners.
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