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		<title>By: txs hldm pkr strtgy</title>
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		<dc:creator>txs hldm pkr strtgy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jing I think you have will have to revise your estimates because of the mountainous topography of the Seoul and surrounding areas. There are numerous mountain ranges with the city itself. Consider the difference between the damage between Nagasaki and Hiroshima and you will see what an important role topography plays in determining loss of life and property during a nuclear attack. If you look at the map provided you can begin to see the mountain ranges that extend across the southeastern border of Seoul. I agree with the above poster about whether or not Seoul would be a target. What use to North Korea would a radioactive parking lot be?  More likely he would use biological of chemical weapons in these regions. If you are worried try www.samgong.com they sell a great gas mask (k-1 model is used even by US personnel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jing I think you have will have to revise your estimates because of the mountainous topography of the Seoul and surrounding areas. There are numerous mountain ranges with the city itself. Consider the difference between the damage between Nagasaki and Hiroshima and you will see what an important role topography plays in determining loss of life and property during a nuclear attack. If you look at the map provided you can begin to see the mountain ranges that extend across the southeastern border of Seoul. I agree with the above poster about whether or not Seoul would be a target. What use to North Korea would a radioactive parking lot be?  More likely he would use biological of chemical weapons in these regions. If you are worried try <a href="http://www.samgong.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.samgong.com</a> they sell a great gas mask (k-1 model is used even by US personnel)</p>
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		<title>By: Deachidong waygook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deachidong waygook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does nuking Seoul make no sense? Think about it. The Norks have 12 THOUSAND heavy artillery pieces aimed at Seoul for a reason. They could rain down a shower of hell upon Seoul, obliterating the city, or at least causing huge damage to lives and property. Why nuke it? Why have a huge irradiated piece of property that you will have to deal with if, as the Norks hope, you get to take it over? It makes no sense. Look at it another way. They have about 5 or 6 nukes. Its not like the US that could nuke the moon with 6 thousand ICBMs and still have enough to destroy the world 20 times over. Nukes for the Norks are precious. If they have the conventional capability to destroy Seoul, why waste a nuke?! I may be wrong, but if the crap ever hit the fan, Id bet that Busan would be a far more obvious target for a nuke than Seoul. No one really believes that the Norks have the capability to put a nuke on a warhead. The only way they can deliver one is by plane, or by ship. By plane would be difficult. They would get blown out of the sky if even a wing crossed into  SK airspace. So a ship is more likely. Put a nuke on a boat, sail into the port of a big city, and wait. When the time comes, detonate. Busan, Incheon, some Japanese cities like Fukoka would be prime targets of a nuke strike. Not Seoul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does nuking Seoul make no sense? Think about it. The Norks have 12 THOUSAND heavy artillery pieces aimed at Seoul for a reason. They could rain down a shower of hell upon Seoul, obliterating the city, or at least causing huge damage to lives and property. Why nuke it? Why have a huge irradiated piece of property that you will have to deal with if, as the Norks hope, you get to take it over? It makes no sense. Look at it another way. They have about 5 or 6 nukes. Its not like the US that could nuke the moon with 6 thousand ICBMs and still have enough to destroy the world 20 times over. Nukes for the Norks are precious. If they have the conventional capability to destroy Seoul, why waste a nuke?! I may be wrong, but if the crap ever hit the fan, Id bet that Busan would be a far more obvious target for a nuke than Seoul. No one really believes that the Norks have the capability to put a nuke on a warhead. The only way they can deliver one is by plane, or by ship. By plane would be difficult. They would get blown out of the sky if even a wing crossed into  SK airspace. So a ship is more likely. Put a nuke on a boat, sail into the port of a big city, and wait. When the time comes, detonate. Busan, Incheon, some Japanese cities like Fukoka would be prime targets of a nuke strike. Not Seoul.</p>
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		<title>By: Pearsall's Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pearsall's Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturday Blogs Roundup
In the same spirit as the previous post, here's some interesting stuff from the blogosphere from the last couple of days.</description>
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In the same spirit as the previous post, here&#8217;s some interesting stuff from the blogosphere from the last couple of days.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax - at least about one megaton nukes. The only way that North Korea could have developed a one megaton nuke is with Chinese help. There - don't you feel much better now?</description>
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		<title>By: Zdunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zdunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Jing.  Just a comment about the rem damage though...those numbers, while true, are for rem damage in a flat concentric circle.  Actually, the presence of mountains and depressions change the flash radiation rem damage numbers greatly.  If, for example, you live on the OTHER side base of a mountain from a blast, the mountain will absorb much or all of the flash radiation.  And the radiation shadow of a mountain extends further back from the base....  

Just everyone remember:  stay indoors for the 1st 48 hours.  The truly hellish half-life particles are running down in that period.

Am I the only one who has kept a sixpack of water bottles under my bed at all times in Korea?  Well, have a nice day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Jing.  Just a comment about the rem damage though&#8230;those numbers, while true, are for rem damage in a flat concentric circle.  Actually, the presence of mountains and depressions change the flash radiation rem damage numbers greatly.  If, for example, you live on the OTHER side base of a mountain from a blast, the mountain will absorb much or all of the flash radiation.  And the radiation shadow of a mountain extends further back from the base&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Just everyone remember:  stay indoors for the 1st 48 hours.  The truly hellish half-life particles are running down in that period.</p>
<p>Am I the only one who has kept a sixpack of water bottles under my bed at all times in Korea?  Well, have a nice day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that in the event of a US nuclear attack, the DPRK might ignore the ROK competely, and just go for a spite-attack on Seattle with a long range missile or two.  Who knows, I might be safer here than in my old home town of Vancouver, Canada.  

But apparently change is in the works up North for the Dear Leader-who-is-a-little-less-dear, and it will be interesting to see what comes about up there.</description>
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<p>But apparently change is in the works up North for the Dear Leader-who-is-a-little-less-dear, and it will be interesting to see what comes about up there.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard somewhere that cockroaches and Keith Richards are life forms that would survive nuclear war -- a cheering list, to which I'd probably add posts by the incorrigible Nulji Marupan, who would somehow blame Israel for the carnage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard somewhere that cockroaches and Keith Richards are life forms that would survive nuclear war &#8212; a cheering list, to which I&#8217;d probably add posts by the incorrigible Nulji Marupan, who would somehow blame Israel for the carnage.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live on the east coast. In the event of nuclear war, providing you get out in time, you can all crash on my floor.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A timely translation and posting, M.  Did the previous thread stimulate you to translate on this subject when normally you wouldn't have bothered? 

/sarcasm on/ 

Gosh, there seems to be quite a horrified tone coming through in your translation from the original.  

"...People are in shock....when one considers that the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and the atmosphere that has accompanied the start of his second term that U.S. foreign policy has gotten even more hardline,....the possibility of an attack is not low..."

It's a good thing this kind of analysis was never done in the US and European media, when the US and the Soviet Union were facing each other in Europe with literally thousands of tactical nukes for decades...

Oh wait (slaps self on forehead). Of course such analyses were done, just that nobody in ROK was evidently paying attention or had the imagination to transpose such analyses to their neighborhood. 

"...the two pressing questions facing the Korean government in condensed form....One is to block North Korea?€™s possession of nuclear weapons in a peaceful way, while the other is to make the U.S. abandon plans to attack the North with nukes in the event of an emergency."

There's only one way to be sure of the latter, ROK. Send the insane American cowboys packing.  Then empty out a big portion of the treasury and send the moneybags north.  (How much percentage for a DPRK "piece of the action", like in that original Star Trek episode?  An interesting subject for speculation).  

Safety and security will be assured, smiles will break all over the peninsula, the birds will start singing, and the bright light of a new dawn will illuminate upturned faces...wait, better scratch that last metaphor, doesn't seem appropriate somehow. 

/sarcasm off/  

FWIW, it's my understanding that the US removed all of its own tactical nuclear warheads from the ROK in 1991, well before the crisis of 1994 with DPRK, and the current period of assumed deployment of "5 to 6" operational DPRK nukes.

I have no idea if Japan allows US storage of tactical nuclear weapons onshore, but I would think not, given their history.  Seems to me I recall earlier periods of intense anti-American demonstrations in Japan, when nuclear-armed US navy ships made port calls.   

So I presume a US tactical nuclear weapon counterattack (or attack, if you like --by tactical aircraft gravity bombs, or ship or plane-launched cruise missiles)would have to come from US Naval assets deployed from non-Japanese waters.  Or from heavy USAF bombers out of Guam (not Okinawa? -- presumably not since Japan regained sovereignty there). 

So -- since we're in the "Fail-Safe" mode here -- let's assume a NorK missile nuclear first strike against Guam, during a crisis period of high tension on the peninsula -- for whatever reason (deliberate because US heavily engaged elsewhere in the world, or simple miscalculation by NorK, etc.).  Also -- assume no US carrier task forces in immediate current aerial striking range of NorK.

In this situation, just how does the ROK envision "...make[ing] the U.S. abandon plans to attack the North with nukes in the event of an emergency"? (By ICBM from CONUS or "boomer" subs, or maybe by attack submarine-launched nuke cruise missiles if in range).  

Seems to me that the only way to do this is to have  all US forces leave the ROK peninsula -- before such a contingency happens.  Then there's no longer a reason for such a strike by either side, and the ROK can rest assured that Uncle Sam will keep his nukes "holstered". 

Such is the price of nuclear safety.  No matter how you twist and turn, ROK, you've got to pay a premium for "catastrophe insurance" -- one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A timely translation and posting, M.  Did the previous thread stimulate you to translate on this subject when normally you wouldn&#8217;t have bothered? </p>
<p>/sarcasm on/ </p>
<p>Gosh, there seems to be quite a horrified tone coming through in your translation from the original.  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;People are in shock&#8230;.when one considers that the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and the atmosphere that has accompanied the start of his second term that U.S. foreign policy has gotten even more hardline,&#8230;.the possibility of an attack is not low&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good thing this kind of analysis was never done in the US and European media, when the US and the Soviet Union were facing each other in Europe with literally thousands of tactical nukes for decades&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh wait (slaps self on forehead). Of course such analyses were done, just that nobody in ROK was evidently paying attention or had the imagination to transpose such analyses to their neighborhood. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the two pressing questions facing the Korean government in condensed form&#8230;.One is to block North Korea?€™s possession of nuclear weapons in a peaceful way, while the other is to make the U.S. abandon plans to attack the North with nukes in the event of an emergency.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one way to be sure of the latter, ROK. Send the insane American cowboys packing.  Then empty out a big portion of the treasury and send the moneybags north.  (How much percentage for a DPRK &#8220;piece of the action&#8221;, like in that original Star Trek episode?  An interesting subject for speculation).  </p>
<p>Safety and security will be assured, smiles will break all over the peninsula, the birds will start singing, and the bright light of a new dawn will illuminate upturned faces&#8230;wait, better scratch that last metaphor, doesn&#8217;t seem appropriate somehow. </p>
<p>/sarcasm off/  </p>
<p>FWIW, it&#8217;s my understanding that the US removed all of its own tactical nuclear warheads from the ROK in 1991, well before the crisis of 1994 with DPRK, and the current period of assumed deployment of &#8220;5 to 6&#8243; operational DPRK nukes.</p>
<p>I have no idea if Japan allows US storage of tactical nuclear weapons onshore, but I would think not, given their history.  Seems to me I recall earlier periods of intense anti-American demonstrations in Japan, when nuclear-armed US navy ships made port calls.   </p>
<p>So I presume a US tactical nuclear weapon counterattack (or attack, if you like &#8211;by tactical aircraft gravity bombs, or ship or plane-launched cruise missiles)would have to come from US Naval assets deployed from non-Japanese waters.  Or from heavy USAF bombers out of Guam (not Okinawa? &#8212; presumably not since Japan regained sovereignty there). </p>
<p>So &#8212; since we&#8217;re in the &#8220;Fail-Safe&#8221; mode here &#8212; let&#8217;s assume a NorK missile nuclear first strike against Guam, during a crisis period of high tension on the peninsula &#8212; for whatever reason (deliberate because US heavily engaged elsewhere in the world, or simple miscalculation by NorK, etc.).  Also &#8212; assume no US carrier task forces in immediate current aerial striking range of NorK.</p>
<p>In this situation, just how does the ROK envision &#8220;&#8230;make[ing] the U.S. abandon plans to attack the North with nukes in the event of an emergency&#8221;? (By ICBM from CONUS or &#8220;boomer&#8221; subs, or maybe by attack submarine-launched nuke cruise missiles if in range).  </p>
<p>Seems to me that the only way to do this is to have  all US forces leave the ROK peninsula &#8212; before such a contingency happens.  Then there&#8217;s no longer a reason for such a strike by either side, and the ROK can rest assured that Uncle Sam will keep his nukes &#8220;holstered&#8221;. </p>
<p>Such is the price of nuclear safety.  No matter how you twist and turn, ROK, you&#8217;ve got to pay a premium for &#8220;catastrophe insurance&#8221; &#8212; one way or another.</p>
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