Once again we turn to the issue of Korea’s historical territory and debates with China etc. I seem to have stirred up a little hornet’s nest with the China Syndrome scenario a day or two ago, well here we go again.
Thanks to Marmot’s good work we all know what and where Gando is now, and if you don’t, I suggest you have a little catch up reading to do so start here.
When last we left our intrepid heroes, we had Foreign Affairs and Trade Minister Ban Ki-moon saying
[i]n regards to the ministry??s parliamentary audit report that claims the Gando Convention is null and void, that the claim had been an administrative mistake and he asked for understanding.
Now in yesterday’s paper it was all up in the air again, because now we have Minister Ban saying “that the Gando Convention may be legally null and void, but that it is important to approach sovereignty over the region from a non-legal point of view. ”
So how does Korea propose to deal with this from a non-legal point of view? Perhaps China really is only just worried about Pan-Korean irridentism.
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Do the South Koreans have a clear designation of what Gando was? I know those academics in south Korea like trotting out old maps to claim Gando, but all of the maps mark different territory. Some of them claim a long narow stretch up the NE coast, some a shallower broader swipe north of the Yalu, one has a huge stretch to the NW which I would wager would encompass even Shenyang. Does anyone have any details of the 1962 PRC-DPRK border settlement and where the North Koreans originally had their claim?
As a fan of old maps myself, and just to spite kimbob, heres a map of China circa 1846 http://fhh1.hamburg.de/maps/bi.....n_1846.jpg
I really do not see Gando is an issue. China lost lots of territories to Russia under Qing Dynasty via treaties signed under duress.
Nowadays, China has fully accepted the current border. Because of this, some so-called democracy fighter called Jiang “traitor”. I think Jiang has done a sensible thing. People in South Korean need to come to their senses.
Jing - Whats the point of showing the map? Why should we trust your map of China in 1846 when it could be questionable just as the Korean ones are. Could you give us a better reason as to why the Korean claims are wrong and the Chinese right? I believe I remember reading your other posts mentioning that the Korean claims are outdated and is a proof of Korea’s willing to get its historical glory back, but what of the Chinese claims? Just exactly how long after does a claim become outdated? In that case isn’t the claim on Taiwan groundless? And the argument for the previous Anonymous post is flawed because you cannot argue and say something is right based on the wrong done to others. It just doesn’t make sense.
Can you not read anonymous number 2? I specifically mentioned I posted the map “Just to spite Kimbob”. Sheesh, the quality of your commentors has certainly taken a turn for the worse with you gone Mr. Marmot! Come back from Mongolia soon!
?橫[T]he Gando Convention may be legally null and void, but… it is important to approach sovereignty over the region from a non-legal point of view. ?橫
I think this means “OK, yes, we think that legally the Gando Convention isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, but that and a nickel might get you a gumball. We all know possession is nine-tenths of the law, especially internationally and just because we have the law on our side doesn’t mean that China’s going to give it to us. So we can’t just demand it even though we believe that legally we have a good case, because that won’t do jack squat. They’re as likely to just give us Gando because of the force of our legal arguments as we are to turn Dokdo/Takeshima/the Liancourt Rocks over to Japan or even an International Court of Justice ruling so long as we’ve got them. So let’s not press this like a court case when it’s not going to make a difference and making a big deal isn’t likely to help us.”
All of which is pretty darn sensible, if you ask me. But maybe I’m putting too kind an interpretation on it.
‘perhaps the chinese really are worried…’
did korea claim chinese history as their own or did the chinese claim
korean history as their own? no basis for china’s claim to koguryo but
yes, basis for korean sentiment on gando.
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i wonder if jing won’t mind telling us if the chinese realize
the koreans are about the only people in asia who feel positive
about them.
i think cambodia, malaysia and singapore can also be considered friends of china.
Not so, China has a number of friends in Asia such as Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea. It maynot mean much when 2 of the 3 are on the Axis of Evil list and the last is a hotbed of islamic fundamentalism, but at least it’s something.
Besides, as the saying goes, Nations have no friends, only interests.
Eyes on Korea: 2004-10-26
Eberstadt’s article; China plans annexation?; NK defectors making “big push”; Chinese humanitarianism; Reactions to the NK Human Rights Act; The information war; NK prison camps; Various diplomatic military strategies; ROK in Iraq; Anti-Americanis…
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