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	<title>Comments on: Breaking news: Bounty placed on Koreans in Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Koaru</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7091</link>
		<dc:creator>Koaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need 8,000$ shoot ill take the job
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7090</link>
		<dc:creator>hardyandtiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRom the Korea Times: South Korean soldiers, who in last few months converted to Islam, perform their first prayers inside their camp during an organized press visit in Irbil in northern Iraq, Friday.

Who in the last few months converted to Islam? Huh? What is going on here? Were Korean Muslim soldiers chosen over non-Muslims for deployment, that is; big bucks?
Will these guys convert back to soju once they get back home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRom the Korea Times: South Korean soldiers, who in last few months converted to Islam, perform their first prayers inside their camp during an organized press visit in Irbil in northern Iraq, Friday.</p>
<p>Who in the last few months converted to Islam? Huh? What is going on here? Were Korean Muslim soldiers chosen over non-Muslims for deployment, that is; big bucks?<br />
Will these guys convert back to soju once they get back home?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon World</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7089</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asia by Blog
Asia by Blog is a twice weekly feature, posted on Monday and Thursday, providing links to Asian blogs and their views on the news in this fascinating region. Please send me an email if you would like to be notified of new editions. Previous editions ca...</description>
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Asia by Blog is a twice weekly feature, posted on Monday and Thursday, providing links to Asian blogs and their views on the news in this fascinating region. Please send me an email if you would like to be notified of new editions. Previous editions ca&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7088</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korean government restricts and blocks Korean reporters' activity in IRAQ.
Korea blocked typepad as she had blocked geocities before. The scariest thing is Korean government is trying to monitor internet accesses that were made in Korea. Three years ago, Korean government tried to legalize a proposal. The proposal was like this;
When people in Korea want to get in online, first they must insert their name, birth, address, and citizenship registration number into a monitoring webbrowser program that was made by Korean government. Which sites will Korea block next?
The free flow of information is really needed in Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korean government restricts and blocks Korean reporters&#8217; activity in IRAQ.<br />
Korea blocked typepad as she had blocked geocities before. The scariest thing is Korean government is trying to monitor internet accesses that were made in Korea. Three years ago, Korean government tried to legalize a proposal. The proposal was like this;<br />
When people in Korea want to get in online, first they must insert their name, birth, address, and citizenship registration number into a monitoring webbrowser program that was made by Korean government. Which sites will Korea block next?<br />
The free flow of information is really needed in Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7087</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The PG-7 grenade, with a shaped-charge warhead, has very good armor penetration (330 mm), capable of defeating all known armored vehicles...

but, later in the Global Sec quote: 

An RPG projectile screen of chain link fence will completely neutralize 50 percent of the rounds and degrade the penetrating capability of the remaining rounds..."

GS doesn't explicitly say so, but the 330 mm of armor probably refers to "rolled homogeneous steel", the old standard for measuring the strength of armor protection on armored vehicles, prior to the development of modern composite &#38; depleted-uranium- enhanced armor, such as is found on modern tanks &#38; armored vehicles.

The quote "...capable of defeating all known armored vehicles.." sounds exactly like the "school solution" language we used to hear on the LAW range.  It doesn't automatically translate into any single hit, or even several, achieving a catastrophic kill, or even any penetration into the crew compartment.  If the grenade hits &#38; breaks the tread -- or achieves penetration into the engine compartment (for the M1, this would have to be from a rear shot)-- it can stop the advance of the tank or Bradley and thus "defeat" it.  But always the vehicle can be recovered, and usually repaired readily, sometimes even without evacuation to depot level maintenance.  

To achieve maximum armor penetration the hit by the shaped charge warhead has to be close to perpendicular.  Any sort of obligue angle hit degrades the penetration of the molten jet considerably; also any type of material on the outside of the vehicle might cause early detonation of the warhead and early degradation of the molten jet before it enters the armor.  I speculate this is part of the reason why I've seen some Bradleys and M113 family APC's in Iraq with side-mounted cargo racks (such as I saw the Israelis using at one time on their M113s).  

It's not particularly fun for the crews, but I think the reason you see the M1's and Bradleys being used so frequently with the forward forces in urban settings in Iraq is because of their ability to usually shrug off RPG hits.  Precision heavy return fire from their main gun weapons, as well as the return fire from infantry in close support, is devastating to the RPG gunners and there are probably very few "both old and bold" ones over there now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The PG-7 grenade, with a shaped-charge warhead, has very good armor penetration (330 mm), capable of defeating all known armored vehicles&#8230;</p>
<p>but, later in the Global Sec quote: </p>
<p>An RPG projectile screen of chain link fence will completely neutralize 50 percent of the rounds and degrade the penetrating capability of the remaining rounds&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>GS doesn&#8217;t explicitly say so, but the 330 mm of armor probably refers to &#8220;rolled homogeneous steel&#8221;, the old standard for measuring the strength of armor protection on armored vehicles, prior to the development of modern composite &amp; depleted-uranium- enhanced armor, such as is found on modern tanks &amp; armored vehicles.</p>
<p>The quote &#8220;&#8230;capable of defeating all known armored vehicles..&#8221; sounds exactly like the &#8220;school solution&#8221; language we used to hear on the LAW range.  It doesn&#8217;t automatically translate into any single hit, or even several, achieving a catastrophic kill, or even any penetration into the crew compartment.  If the grenade hits &amp; breaks the tread &#8212; or achieves penetration into the engine compartment (for the M1, this would have to be from a rear shot)&#8211; it can stop the advance of the tank or Bradley and thus &#8220;defeat&#8221; it.  But always the vehicle can be recovered, and usually repaired readily, sometimes even without evacuation to depot level maintenance.  </p>
<p>To achieve maximum armor penetration the hit by the shaped charge warhead has to be close to perpendicular.  Any sort of obligue angle hit degrades the penetration of the molten jet considerably; also any type of material on the outside of the vehicle might cause early detonation of the warhead and early degradation of the molten jet before it enters the armor.  I speculate this is part of the reason why I&#8217;ve seen some Bradleys and M113 family APC&#8217;s in Iraq with side-mounted cargo racks (such as I saw the Israelis using at one time on their M113s).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not particularly fun for the crews, but I think the reason you see the M1&#8217;s and Bradleys being used so frequently with the forward forces in urban settings in Iraq is because of their ability to usually shrug off RPG hits.  Precision heavy return fire from their main gun weapons, as well as the return fire from infantry in close support, is devastating to the RPG gunners and there are probably very few &#8220;both old and bold&#8221; ones over there now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$8000? Is that all? I'm dissappointed that it isn't far more.  How much is a captured American worth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$8000? Is that all? I&#8217;m dissappointed that it isn&#8217;t far more.  How much is a captured American worth?</p>
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		<title>By: WJK</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7085</link>
		<dc:creator>WJK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never saw the link or the original post, I just saw re:___ posts and later that day I read a news article about that post.  News stating that police are going after the dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never saw the link or the original post, I just saw re:___ posts and later that day I read a news article about that post.  News stating that police are going after the dude.</p>
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		<title>By: WJK</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/10/09/breaking-news-bounty-placed-on-koreans-in-iraq/#comment-7084</link>
		<dc:creator>WJK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprising Jim.  I know that yahoo started asking for more than yahoo id and passwords on their South Korean sites after some idiot posted a pic of some killing I think on a yahoo message board or a link to that, but now a ton of South Korean sites want you to enter your citizen id number and your name. That's so Big Brotherish.  Adult sites, I understand it protects children.  News sites with comment boxes, that's abnormal.  I'll guess that no other country in the world does that.  

But, the idiot who posted the weird link and started things off did it in a yahoo message box for a yahoo article.  Or perhaps he did in a bunch of places at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprising Jim.  I know that yahoo started asking for more than yahoo id and passwords on their South Korean sites after some idiot posted a pic of some killing I think on a yahoo message board or a link to that, but now a ton of South Korean sites want you to enter your citizen id number and your name. That&#8217;s so Big Brotherish.  Adult sites, I understand it protects children.  News sites with comment boxes, that&#8217;s abnormal.  I&#8217;ll guess that no other country in the world does that.  </p>
<p>But, the idiot who posted the weird link and started things off did it in a yahoo message box for a yahoo article.  Or perhaps he did in a bunch of places at the same time.</p>
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