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		<title>By: ACB</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/09/07/mao-tojo-and-lincoln/#comment-6295</link>
		<dc:creator>ACB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody should get thier head out of the ground, Japan doesn't uligie historic violence, Japan has a culture of ancestoral reverance, as you would know if any of you were Japanese, or had ever been to Japan. Not remembering war time leaders would be an act of cultural denial, it would be as bad as condoning what they did during the Pacific conflict.

Japan has what is known as culture and tradition, unlike America, the past was brutal and the war was a crime against civilisation, but remembering past leaders is not the same as condining them, and celebrating them is not the same as celebrating what they did. Get this into your heads.

US cavelry officers who are celebrated today rapped and murdered Indians, Mexicans and Spanish settlers and civil war officers murdered the families of British soldiers, America isn't perfect either.

The US fondly remembers presidents and military officers who committed genocide against the Indian nations, every time you celebrate presidents day or the birthdays of some of the other presidents you are doing exactly the same thing as millions of Japanese people do when remembering wartime leaders.

You are remembering slave owners, Indian opressors and war criminals. You have no right to critisize Japan until you stop doing exactly the same thing in America.

The only difference is that you have been honoring these people for a hundred years and Japan has been doing it for fifty.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody should get thier head out of the ground, Japan doesn&#8217;t uligie historic violence, Japan has a culture of ancestoral reverance, as you would know if any of you were Japanese, or had ever been to Japan. Not remembering war time leaders would be an act of cultural denial, it would be as bad as condoning what they did during the Pacific conflict.</p>
<p>Japan has what is known as culture and tradition, unlike America, the past was brutal and the war was a crime against civilisation, but remembering past leaders is not the same as condining them, and celebrating them is not the same as celebrating what they did. Get this into your heads.</p>
<p>US cavelry officers who are celebrated today rapped and murdered Indians, Mexicans and Spanish settlers and civil war officers murdered the families of British soldiers, America isn&#8217;t perfect either.</p>
<p>The US fondly remembers presidents and military officers who committed genocide against the Indian nations, every time you celebrate presidents day or the birthdays of some of the other presidents you are doing exactly the same thing as millions of Japanese people do when remembering wartime leaders.</p>
<p>You are remembering slave owners, Indian opressors and war criminals. You have no right to critisize Japan until you stop doing exactly the same thing in America.</p>
<p>The only difference is that you have been honoring these people for a hundred years and Japan has been doing it for fifty.</p>
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		<title>By: yen jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>yen jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zhang Fei:
``Desultory raids'': Air raids on Shanghai civiilian targets(1938?)? Nanjing? 

``Preserving their strength instead of fighting armed Japanese": guerilla warfare by the despised Commies perhaps?

Or maybe the knowledge that the enemy will simply exhaust itself, in a country so much larger than itself? Look at the Germans and the 900-day Siege of Leningrad. Who cracked in the end? 

Left the path to SEA open: LOL. Stuck in China. Roused the American Eagle at Pearl Harbour. 
How long coudl Japan have kept going without South East Asia's natural resources?
And, of course, with Japan's much-admired code of samurai honour - kick your enemy in the teeth when he's down - they hit at Malaya, Vietnam and Indonesia, while the imperialists were busy at home.

Looking for a stick to beat America??: I thot it was the other way around, China-bashing is the activity du jour?

Tho, of course, the commissars have gotten much better American press since 9/11, when they came out for the American side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zhang Fei:<br />
&#8220;Desultory raids&#8221;: Air raids on Shanghai civiilian targets(1938?)? Nanjing? </p>
<p>&#8220;Preserving their strength instead of fighting armed Japanese&#8221;: guerilla warfare by the despised Commies perhaps?</p>
<p>Or maybe the knowledge that the enemy will simply exhaust itself, in a country so much larger than itself? Look at the Germans and the 900-day Siege of Leningrad. Who cracked in the end? </p>
<p>Left the path to SEA open: LOL. Stuck in China. Roused the American Eagle at Pearl Harbour.<br />
How long coudl Japan have kept going without South East Asia&#8217;s natural resources?<br />
And, of course, with Japan&#8217;s much-admired code of samurai honour - kick your enemy in the teeth when he&#8217;s down - they hit at Malaya, Vietnam and Indonesia, while the imperialists were busy at home.</p>
<p>Looking for a stick to beat America??: I thot it was the other way around, China-bashing is the activity du jour?</p>
<p>Tho, of course, the commissars have gotten much better American press since 9/11, when they came out for the American side.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Webb, USA</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/09/07/mao-tojo-and-lincoln/#comment-6293</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Webb, USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fishburn, "So, by this logic, you shouldn?€™t be proud of all of America?€™s great accomplishments."

Actually, I was referring to penalty/accountability, not pride/shame.  Those aren't the same things.  Do I feel proud about the Allied victory in Europe?  Yeah, I guess.  Do I feel shame about the Trail of Tears?  Yes, I suppose.  But I don't think I should be personally praised or pentalized for those actions.  Although I do think Jackson's portrait should be removed from the $20 bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fishburn, &#8220;So, by this logic, you shouldn?€™t be proud of all of America?€™s great accomplishments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I was referring to penalty/accountability, not pride/shame.  Those aren&#8217;t the same things.  Do I feel proud about the Allied victory in Europe?  Yeah, I guess.  Do I feel shame about the Trail of Tears?  Yes, I suppose.  But I don&#8217;t think I should be personally praised or pentalized for those actions.  Although I do think Jackson&#8217;s portrait should be removed from the $20 bill.</p>
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		<title>By: fishburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>fishburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Webb: "The Japanese are exactly right, children shouldn?€™t be held accountable for their fathers?€™ sins. If my grandfather was a murderer/rapist, I shouldn?€™t have to personally pay any penalty or apologize for it. I was born without sin. However, if I?€™m a murderer/rapist, then I should be held accountable."

So, by this logic, you shouldn't be proud of all of America's great accomplishments. After all, they were our forfathers' accomplishments and not our own. We did none of those things ourselves. We shouldn't feel any innate pride or shame at our past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Webb: &#8220;The Japanese are exactly right, children shouldn?€™t be held accountable for their fathers?€™ sins. If my grandfather was a murderer/rapist, I shouldn?€™t have to personally pay any penalty or apologize for it. I was born without sin. However, if I?€™m a murderer/rapist, then I should be held accountable.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, by this logic, you shouldn&#8217;t be proud of all of America&#8217;s great accomplishments. After all, they were our forfathers&#8217; accomplishments and not our own. We did none of those things ourselves. We shouldn&#8217;t feel any innate pride or shame at our past.</p>
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		<title>By: Tae Yi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tae Yi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, everyone is forgetting that the civil war escalated just like WWI and that everything was going to over by Christmas, but it did not, and moreover you are forgetting the compassion and humility that Lincoln displayed afterwards during the Reconstruction.  Also the atrocities occured near the end, at its darkest hour, not as a predetermined conferenced and practiced war strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, everyone is forgetting that the civil war escalated just like WWI and that everything was going to over by Christmas, but it did not, and moreover you are forgetting the compassion and humility that Lincoln displayed afterwards during the Reconstruction.  Also the atrocities occured near the end, at its darkest hour, not as a predetermined conferenced and practiced war strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Webb, USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Webb, USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yen jun, "now it sells the idea that the sins of the father shouldn?€™t be visited unto the children."

The Japanese are exactly right, children shouldn't be held accountable for their fathers' sins.  If my grandfather was a murderer/rapist, I shouldn't have to personally pay any penalty or apologize for it.  I was born without sin.  However, if I'm a murderer/rapist, then I should be held accountable.

yen jun, "But if the children have not been taught about the sins of the past, the likelihood is that they can be repeated."

Japan will never be a threat to South Korea again.  They've converted to a secular capitalist liberal democracy, just like South Korea, and the evidence so far shows that two countries with this system have never gone to war with each other.  In other words, a country with a McDonalds has never gone to war with another country with a McDonalds.  The Pope says Jesus holds the key to the Kingdom, but I think it's Mayor McCheese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yen jun, &#8220;now it sells the idea that the sins of the father shouldn?€™t be visited unto the children.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Japanese are exactly right, children shouldn&#8217;t be held accountable for their fathers&#8217; sins.  If my grandfather was a murderer/rapist, I shouldn&#8217;t have to personally pay any penalty or apologize for it.  I was born without sin.  However, if I&#8217;m a murderer/rapist, then I should be held accountable.</p>
<p>yen jun, &#8220;But if the children have not been taught about the sins of the past, the likelihood is that they can be repeated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Japan will never be a threat to South Korea again.  They&#8217;ve converted to a secular capitalist liberal democracy, just like South Korea, and the evidence so far shows that two countries with this system have never gone to war with each other.  In other words, a country with a McDonalds has never gone to war with another country with a McDonalds.  The Pope says Jesus holds the key to the Kingdom, but I think it&#8217;s Mayor McCheese.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Webb, USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Webb, USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dragon, "The Irish potato famine is one example of how extreme capitalism resulted in the death of over 10% of the Irish population."

The Irish should take personal responsibility for not knowing not to grow a single-crop. Fortunately, capitalism and freedom of speech enabled that technical problem to be fixed.  The same thing happened in America when we let Rockefeller own all the oil.  We fixed that through freedom of speech/democracy, followed by laws.

madne0, "Besides, please give me an example of large scale famine in a capitalist democracy."

We know that capitalist democracy is the best system through the scientific process (test, observation, collecting and analyzing data), not because America says it's so.  The evidence is OVERWHELMING.  Lenin should have tested Marx's theories on a hippie commune before applying them to an entire country.  This would have saved 100,000,000 lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dragon, &#8220;The Irish potato famine is one example of how extreme capitalism resulted in the death of over 10% of the Irish population.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Irish should take personal responsibility for not knowing not to grow a single-crop. Fortunately, capitalism and freedom of speech enabled that technical problem to be fixed.  The same thing happened in America when we let Rockefeller own all the oil.  We fixed that through freedom of speech/democracy, followed by laws.</p>
<p>madne0, &#8220;Besides, please give me an example of large scale famine in a capitalist democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>We know that capitalist democracy is the best system through the scientific process (test, observation, collecting and analyzing data), not because America says it&#8217;s so.  The evidence is OVERWHELMING.  Lenin should have tested Marx&#8217;s theories on a hippie commune before applying them to an entire country.  This would have saved 100,000,000 lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yen jing: When Japan can finally admit its past, only then Hiroshima and Nagasaki be embraced as a true tragedy of world, along with Dachau, Nanjing, comfort women, Lab 731.

But of course - the Chinese are always looking for another stick with which to beat America. Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't tragedies or even especially significant significant in the civilian casualty sweepstakes. Germany lost 2m civilians compared to Japan's 600,000. Only 100,000 of Japan's civilian dead came from the atom bombings. Now if the Chinese had gotten off their butts, and delivered a severe thrashing to the Japanese, they would never have thought of attacking Pearl Harbor and simultaneously pushing south. This pack of bums left the path to Southeast Asia open. They sure knew to kill defenseless "collaborators" after the war. But as to actually fighting armed Japanese, they spent a lot of time "preserving their strength", while carrying out desultory raids that brought Japanese retaliation against the civilians they never bothered to protect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yen jing: When Japan can finally admit its past, only then Hiroshima and Nagasaki be embraced as a true tragedy of world, along with Dachau, Nanjing, comfort women, Lab 731.</p>
<p>But of course - the Chinese are always looking for another stick with which to beat America. Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren&#8217;t tragedies or even especially significant significant in the civilian casualty sweepstakes. Germany lost 2m civilians compared to Japan&#8217;s 600,000. Only 100,000 of Japan&#8217;s civilian dead came from the atom bombings. Now if the Chinese had gotten off their butts, and delivered a severe thrashing to the Japanese, they would never have thought of attacking Pearl Harbor and simultaneously pushing south. This pack of bums left the path to Southeast Asia open. They sure knew to kill defenseless &#8220;collaborators&#8221; after the war. But as to actually fighting armed Japanese, they spent a lot of time &#8220;preserving their strength&#8221;, while carrying out desultory raids that brought Japanese retaliation against the civilians they never bothered to protect.</p>
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		<title>By: madne0</title>
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		<dc:creator>madne0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2004 04:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dragon: I ripped this off wikipedia:
"Economic historians have argued that not to continue the export could have plunged the entire Irish economy into economic meltdown; if estates went bankrupt, so would all the local towns that depended on them, throwing hundreds of thousands more into destitution. Without rates from estates, the Poor Law Unions wouldn't have money to feed the destitute, while speculators were already buying up bankrupt estates and evicting all the tenants! (No tenants meant no rates to pay!) There were also not enough mills immediately available in Ireland had all the corn been kept to be used at home. Peel's solution was simple: keep exporting to avoid economic collapse, while importing Indian maize to feed the starving. Unfortunately Russell failed to do the latter."
Besides, please give me an example of large scale famine in a capitalist democracy.
Can't find one can you? Not even during the world wars!
Meanwhile in PEACETIME Russia and China...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dragon: I ripped this off wikipedia:<br />
&#8220;Economic historians have argued that not to continue the export could have plunged the entire Irish economy into economic meltdown; if estates went bankrupt, so would all the local towns that depended on them, throwing hundreds of thousands more into destitution. Without rates from estates, the Poor Law Unions wouldn&#8217;t have money to feed the destitute, while speculators were already buying up bankrupt estates and evicting all the tenants! (No tenants meant no rates to pay!) There were also not enough mills immediately available in Ireland had all the corn been kept to be used at home. Peel&#8217;s solution was simple: keep exporting to avoid economic collapse, while importing Indian maize to feed the starving. Unfortunately Russell failed to do the latter.&#8221;<br />
Besides, please give me an example of large scale famine in a capitalist democracy.<br />
Can&#8217;t find one can you? Not even during the world wars!<br />
Meanwhile in PEACETIME Russia and China&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Marmot, you might be interested to know that a writer in Asia Times has contended that Lincoln was worse than Mao corroborating your view. &lt;a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FC31Ad02.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FC31Ad02.html&lt;/a&gt; 

Paul Webb, you might be interested to know that the neo-liberal capitalism that you so advocate has resulted in more starvation than any one dictator in history. &lt;a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FD01Ad04.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FD01Ad04.html&lt;/a&gt; The Irish potato famine is one example of how extreme capitalism resulted in the death of over 10% of the Irish population. Although potato crop failed back then because of a disease, English capitalistic landowners were still exporting all kinds of food out of Ireland because making money mattered more than the lives of the Irish. &lt;a href="http://www.american.edu/ted/POTATO.HTM" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.american.edu/ted/POTATO.HTM&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Marmot, you might be interested to know that a writer in Asia Times has contended that Lincoln was worse than Mao corroborating your view. <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FC31Ad02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FC31Ad02.html</a> </p>
<p>Paul Webb, you might be interested to know that the neo-liberal capitalism that you so advocate has resulted in more starvation than any one dictator in history. <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FD01Ad04.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FD01Ad04.html</a> The Irish potato famine is one example of how extreme capitalism resulted in the death of over 10% of the Irish population. Although potato crop failed back then because of a disease, English capitalistic landowners were still exporting all kinds of food out of Ireland because making money mattered more than the lives of the Irish. <a href="http://www.american.edu/ted/POTATO.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.american.edu/ted/POTATO.HTM</a></p>
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