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Why is Yonsei the best (or near the top) of Korean Universities? Does it have anything to do with being founded by foreigners and thus having higher standards than pure Korean institutions?

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]]> By: Zdunk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/31/and-i-cant-even-figure-out-css/#comment-5979 Zdunk Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:08:42 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1050#comment-5979 Agreed, at the ESL dept of my University the Engineering disciplines are appreciated by us Jr. profs...they come in interested to learn, with a good level of English already, and genuine interest in getting better thru the course. English Majors are great too, due to the fanatical competition shown in any English class. Biz majors are ok. Law undergrads know no English whatever. Dance and drama majors are the "special ed" of our university, although through the language barrier of "What's your name?" being incomprensible to them they seem nice. We've always considered the 20% Attendance grade nonsense, and thankfully last year it was reduced at our insistence in our courses to 6% (we asked for 0%). Do you really want 20% of your doctor's, or lawyers, or any discipline's qualifications, coming from just showing up and falling asleep with your head on the desk? Korea should get rid of attendance grade. It's a crutch of personal responsibility. I know I am here, but....at home there is a better attitude, which acknowledges a university student as an adult "Show up and learn, or don't and waste your money and fail. It's your choice." Problem #2- our Korean universities extreme discomfort with failing ANYBODY. We foreign ESL teachers corps has gotten a rep for being hardasses (according to the head of the English dept) for repeatedly refusing to pass students failing with 25 or 30 %. 20% Attendance points are one factor in the global mediocrity of Korean universities. Agreed, at the ESL dept of my University the Engineering disciplines are appreciated by us Jr. profs…they come in interested to learn, with a good level of English already, and genuine interest in getting better thru the course. English Majors are great too, due to the fanatical competition shown in any English class. Biz majors are ok. Law undergrads know no English whatever. Dance and drama majors are the “special ed” of our university, although through the language barrier of “What’s your name?” being incomprensible to them they seem nice.

We’ve always considered the 20% Attendance grade nonsense, and thankfully last year it was reduced at our insistence in our courses to 6% (we asked for 0%). Do you really want 20% of your doctor’s, or lawyers, or any discipline’s qualifications, coming from just showing up and falling asleep with your head on the desk?

Korea should get rid of attendance grade. It’s a crutch of personal responsibility. I know I am here, but….at home there is a better attitude, which acknowledges a university student as an adult “Show up and learn, or don’t and waste your money and fail. It’s your choice.” Problem #2- our Korean universities extreme discomfort with failing ANYBODY. We foreign ESL teachers corps has gotten a rep for being hardasses (according to the head of the English dept) for repeatedly refusing to pass students failing with 25 or 30 %.

20% Attendance points are one factor in the global mediocrity of Korean universities.

]]> By: virtual wonderer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/31/and-i-cant-even-figure-out-css/#comment-5978 virtual wonderer Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:01:39 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1050#comment-5978 I have to agree with almost everyone on board about the general lack of studying by Korean college kids. As a fact, this is a well known universal truth even in Korea--by virtually all the Korean kids I talked to over there. In fact even the international students from Korea bring a lot of this mentality when they come here to "study english" at NYU or other schools. I think Marmot describes it beautifully on his profile page. Aside from the few engineers, most either drink or protest or both. Even in the field of engineering, where the students are genuinely interested in learning, the research opportunity given to undergrads is crap. Medical school has the same problems too. For all the examplary secondary education Korea has, it has serious problems with university level education--and I guess I don't even have to mention the fact the Korean employers like Samsung or LG routinely favor foreign educated Korean workers. Koreans who've done post-doc in Korea are treated more-or-less as 3rd rate. I have to agree with almost everyone on board about the general lack of studying by Korean college kids. As a fact, this is a well known universal truth even in Korea–by virtually all the Korean kids I talked to over there. In fact even the international students from Korea bring a lot of this mentality when they come here to “study english” at NYU or other schools. I think Marmot describes it beautifully on his profile page. Aside from the few engineers, most either drink or protest or both.

Even in the field of engineering, where the students are genuinely interested in learning, the research opportunity given to undergrads is crap. Medical school has the same problems too.

For all the examplary secondary education Korea has, it has serious problems with university level education–and I guess I don’t even have to mention the fact the Korean employers like Samsung or LG routinely favor foreign educated Korean workers. Koreans who’ve done post-doc in Korea are treated more-or-less as 3rd rate.

]]> By: The Marmot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/31/and-i-cant-even-figure-out-css/#comment-5977 The Marmot Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:12:01 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1050#comment-5977 Wooj -- self-promotion, like greed, is good. Feel free to link away. Readers would be better off reading your stuff than my drivel, anyway. Wooj — self-promotion, like greed, is good. Feel free to link away. Readers would be better off reading your stuff than my drivel, anyway.

]]> By: wooj http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/31/and-i-cant-even-figure-out-css/#comment-5976 wooj Wed, 01 Sep 2004 06:21:34 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=1050#comment-5976 Well, I feel self-promoting by referring to my own posts (but trust me, I'm not seeking attention. I like this site, and I just occasionally feel the urge to add something when I can), but I've written a few things here on one of the prime reasons behind Korea's crappy college students, since some people seem to be interested (or directly involved) in this subject. Well, I feel self-promoting by referring to my own posts (but trust me, I’m not seeking attention. I like this site, and I just occasionally feel the urge to add something when I can), but I’ve written a few things here on one of the prime reasons behind Korea’s crappy college students, since some people seem to be interested (or directly involved) in this subject.

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