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		<title>By: Winds of Change.NET</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/07/wheres-ulchi-mundeok-when-you-need-him/#comment-5410</link>
		<dc:creator>Winds of Change.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon's E. Asia Overview: Aug 25/04
It's time to have a look at East Asia and what's been making the news in Asian blogs over the past month. We cover China (in depth), as well as Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, and Southeast Asia (Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore et. al).
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It&#8217;s time to have a look at East Asia and what&#8217;s been making the news in Asian blogs over the past month. We cover China (in depth), as well as Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, and Southeast Asia (Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore et. al).</p>
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		<title>By: Simon World</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/07/wheres-ulchi-mundeok-when-you-need-him/#comment-5409</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asia by Blog - Month in review
Thank you to everyone for the good wishes. Everyone is doing well. Now to keep you going...as part of the Winds of Change team I provide a monthly briefing on Asian goings-on, particularly China and SE Asia. I thought this would give me a good opportun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asia by Blog - Month in review<br />
Thank you to everyone for the good wishes. Everyone is doing well. Now to keep you going&#8230;as part of the Winds of Change team I provide a monthly briefing on Asian goings-on, particularly China and SE Asia. I thought this would give me a good opportun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: notsoslim-again</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/07/wheres-ulchi-mundeok-when-you-need-him/#comment-5408</link>
		<dc:creator>notsoslim-again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile I?€™m gonna sharpen my battle axe with a mean grin on my face. Tee hee hee. 

As well you should.  That's the whole point of these discussions.  I look forward to giving you plenty of opportunities to use that axe of yours.  Keep it sharp though, and light.  I'm not a soft target.

See you around.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile I?€™m gonna sharpen my battle axe with a mean grin on my face. Tee hee hee. </p>
<p>As well you should.  That&#8217;s the whole point of these discussions.  I look forward to giving you plenty of opportunities to use that axe of yours.  Keep it sharp though, and light.  I&#8217;m not a soft target.</p>
<p>See you around.  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sugar Shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugar Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What your mommoy told you when you were five is of no importance outside your own bedroom. - Kim Young Sam alias notsoslim

And you don?€™t know the age-old, time-honored playground rule that every boy should spiritualize: ?€œNever talk dirty about other guys?€™ mommies!". If we both would be five year old boys again - dude, you would have kissed my toes with your bleeding teethless mouth. Sangnom. - me, Sugar Shin

This "knocking the teeth out" reaction of mine was because of your inclusion of my beloved mommy in our little mud battle. That's all. I'll drop out of the mud slinging fest and look on for other opportunities (there're always plenty of them at Marmot's) to spread my personal (not "Korean") opinions. Meanwhile I'm gonna sharpen my battle axe with a mean grin on my face. Tee hee hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What your mommoy told you when you were five is of no importance outside your own bedroom. - Kim Young Sam alias notsoslim</p>
<p>And you don?€™t know the age-old, time-honored playground rule that every boy should spiritualize: ?€œNever talk dirty about other guys?€™ mommies!&#8221;. If we both would be five year old boys again - dude, you would have kissed my toes with your bleeding teethless mouth. Sangnom. - me, Sugar Shin</p>
<p>This &#8220;knocking the teeth out&#8221; reaction of mine was because of your inclusion of my beloved mommy in our little mud battle. That&#8217;s all. I&#8217;ll drop out of the mud slinging fest and look on for other opportunities (there&#8217;re always plenty of them at Marmot&#8217;s) to spread my personal (not &#8220;Korean&#8221;) opinions. Meanwhile I&#8217;m gonna sharpen my battle axe with a mean grin on my face. Tee hee hee.</p>
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		<title>By: notsoslim-again</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsoslim-again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so you're saying you don't actually mean it?  You weren't sincere about it? It's just something you say to get a reaction?  Cool.  You think the other 47 million of your countrymen feel as impartially as you?

By the way, before this argument of ours goes further out of control, let me say, despite whatever differences we've had here, and lord knows we've had some big ones, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to each post.  Thanks for that.

You may disagree, but I'm approaching this subject not from the perspective of who is right and who is wrong [because frankly I don't know, and neither do you], but rather from the perspective of--"Much of the evidence disagrees with the traditional Korean view.  Neither does it support the Chinese view.  Let's look more closely."

You and Sugar [and others] may not appreciate my sincerity in doing this and may question both my motives and my approach, but before you "knock my teeth out" [Sugar, are you there?] understand that I have spent most of my life living in Korea and studying this people, probably longer than you have even been alive.  Although I am resigned to the fact that Korea will never accept me as anything other than a long-term resident foreigner because I don't have a drop of Dangun's blood in my veins, I respect this country and its people more than you will ever be able to understand.

If I come across as an asshole at times [and I admit that I do] it's because I also see a huge tendency here in Korea to ignore any facts the don't firmly agree with the traditionally accepted view.  This tendency is shared by all peoples and cultures, but I think it's is unusually prevalant in Korea and not particularly well concealed.  

The whole concept of korean "Han" is dangerous, especially right now.  It's somewhat like going into battle [in this case an ideological battle against the Chinese] without any ammunition.

When Koreans [and everyone] can look more closely at the facts behind the allegations, they will be able to more successfully combat the Chinese culture grab.  But doing nothing but parroting the stories of the Samguk Yusa will accomplish nothing.  The Chinese government is sitting back and laughing at Korea's helplessness right now.  

Who cares, you ask?  Perhaps no one, but keep in mind that this issue will likely not be decided by guns and cannons, but by public opinion.  The whole world is watching, and Korea is putting up a terrible fight so far.  Mostly whining and moaning about being "robbed' of their cultural legacy.  

No one is going to buy that.  Korea is the world's 10th richest power, the world's most educated country, and a major player in modern international politics.  Is this the best they can do, the most they can say in their own defense?  I hope not.  But only time will tell.  Stay tuned.

So, anyway.  I wanted to say that.  And I appreciate you taking the time to read it.

Now, back into the ring...there's still mud to sling.

Perhaps after this is all over we can meet for a drink and laugh about it.  Just so long as Sugar promises not to hurt me.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so you&#8217;re saying you don&#8217;t actually mean it?  You weren&#8217;t sincere about it? It&#8217;s just something you say to get a reaction?  Cool.  You think the other 47 million of your countrymen feel as impartially as you?</p>
<p>By the way, before this argument of ours goes further out of control, let me say, despite whatever differences we&#8217;ve had here, and lord knows we&#8217;ve had some big ones, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to each post.  Thanks for that.</p>
<p>You may disagree, but I&#8217;m approaching this subject not from the perspective of who is right and who is wrong [because frankly I don't know, and neither do you], but rather from the perspective of&#8211;&#8221;Much of the evidence disagrees with the traditional Korean view.  Neither does it support the Chinese view.  Let&#8217;s look more closely.&#8221;</p>
<p>You and Sugar [and others] may not appreciate my sincerity in doing this and may question both my motives and my approach, but before you &#8220;knock my teeth out&#8221; [Sugar, are you there?] understand that I have spent most of my life living in Korea and studying this people, probably longer than you have even been alive.  Although I am resigned to the fact that Korea will never accept me as anything other than a long-term resident foreigner because I don&#8217;t have a drop of Dangun&#8217;s blood in my veins, I respect this country and its people more than you will ever be able to understand.</p>
<p>If I come across as an asshole at times [and I admit that I do] it&#8217;s because I also see a huge tendency here in Korea to ignore any facts the don&#8217;t firmly agree with the traditionally accepted view.  This tendency is shared by all peoples and cultures, but I think it&#8217;s is unusually prevalant in Korea and not particularly well concealed.  </p>
<p>The whole concept of korean &#8220;Han&#8221; is dangerous, especially right now.  It&#8217;s somewhat like going into battle [in this case an ideological battle against the Chinese] without any ammunition.</p>
<p>When Koreans [and everyone] can look more closely at the facts behind the allegations, they will be able to more successfully combat the Chinese culture grab.  But doing nothing but parroting the stories of the Samguk Yusa will accomplish nothing.  The Chinese government is sitting back and laughing at Korea&#8217;s helplessness right now.  </p>
<p>Who cares, you ask?  Perhaps no one, but keep in mind that this issue will likely not be decided by guns and cannons, but by public opinion.  The whole world is watching, and Korea is putting up a terrible fight so far.  Mostly whining and moaning about being &#8220;robbed&#8217; of their cultural legacy.  </p>
<p>No one is going to buy that.  Korea is the world&#8217;s 10th richest power, the world&#8217;s most educated country, and a major player in modern international politics.  Is this the best they can do, the most they can say in their own defense?  I hope not.  But only time will tell.  Stay tuned.</p>
<p>So, anyway.  I wanted to say that.  And I appreciate you taking the time to read it.</p>
<p>Now, back into the ring&#8230;there&#8217;s still mud to sling.</p>
<p>Perhaps after this is all over we can meet for a drink and laugh about it.  Just so long as Sugar promises not to hurt me.  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: shin jong il</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/07/wheres-ulchi-mundeok-when-you-need-him/#comment-5405</link>
		<dc:creator>shin jong il</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>notsoslim, you think me a fool and that's ok but i put those kinds of slogans up there because i know that kind of stuff drives people like you ape shit ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>notsoslim, you think me a fool and that&#8217;s ok but i put those kinds of slogans up there because i know that kind of stuff drives people like you ape shit <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: notsoslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>notsoslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sin said---"??°??? ??­???, ??°??? ?³??????¤. 

??œ??­?????œ ?????¨ ??¼?³¸?????Œ?“¤???, ??¸?§€?§???¸??”."

Nope.  Not a trace of blind nationalism in that statement.  Pure rational debate based solely on the evidence.  Good job there, Sin.  You're a credit to Korean scholars everywhere.  Thanks for this major contribution to the advacement of knowledge.

Since you've so succinctly settled this one for us, we'll all just move on to much more important topics now, like whether the two Koreas will be able to march together into the Olympics symbolizing their eternal unity and friendship.  

Kumbaya, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sin said&#8212;&#8221;??°??? ??­???, ??°??? ?³??????¤. </p>
<p>??œ??­?????œ ?????¨ ??¼?³¸?????Œ?“¤???, ??¸?§€?§???¸??”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope.  Not a trace of blind nationalism in that statement.  Pure rational debate based solely on the evidence.  Good job there, Sin.  You&#8217;re a credit to Korean scholars everywhere.  Thanks for this major contribution to the advacement of knowledge.</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;ve so succinctly settled this one for us, we&#8217;ll all just move on to much more important topics now, like whether the two Koreas will be able to march together into the Olympics symbolizing their eternal unity and friendship.  </p>
<p>Kumbaya, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Achtung!

Heute Koguryo, dann nach die Welt.</description>
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<p>Heute Koguryo, dann nach die Welt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugar Shin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/08/07/wheres-ulchi-mundeok-when-you-need-him/#comment-5402</link>
		<dc:creator>Sugar Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Heute Koguryo, danach die Welt." would be the correct German phrase, Jing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heute Koguryo, danach die Welt.&#8221; would be the correct German phrase, Jing.</p>
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		<title>By: OldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chinese are going to eat both Korea and Japan and it won't matter what language was spoken where or when. 
Think of terms of empire and conquest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese are going to eat both Korea and Japan and it won&#8217;t matter what language was spoken where or when.<br />
Think of terms of empire and conquest.</p>
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