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		<title>By: Captain Scarlet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Scarlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>murray,
i used to ride the subways all the time when i lived there.  i saw lots of korean guys getting medieval on korean woman.  riding late at night was especially fun.  people puking mixing with the smell of kimchi breath.  the smell would knock you over when the doors opened.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>murray,<br />
i used to ride the subways all the time when i lived there.  i saw lots of korean guys getting medieval on korean woman.  riding late at night was especially fun.  people puking mixing with the smell of kimchi breath.  the smell would knock you over when the doors opened.</p>
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		<title>By: al Pettit</title>
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		<dc:creator>al Pettit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"here in the us, innocent people sometimes get shot dead by the police. "

Comment by shin jong il ?€” July,27 2004 (Tuesday) @ 4:11 am 


Yea because many people in the US have guns and police react to what they see. There are many police in the US that are shot as well. I have been pulled over and have not been shot because I don't act like an ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;here in the us, innocent people sometimes get shot dead by the police. &#8221;</p>
<p>Comment by shin jong il ?€” July,27 2004 (Tuesday) @ 4:11 am </p>
<p>Yea because many people in the US have guns and police react to what they see. There are many police in the US that are shot as well. I have been pulled over and have not been shot because I don&#8217;t act like an ass.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speechless, "you have some great odd logic there usinkorea. that will get you far in the social world i bet"  I don't take offense, but I'm also not the one running around like a chicken with its head cut off slamming people wildly.

And everybody ---- it is highly possible to sympathise with the mother and other family members of the victims, feel disgust that the police didn't catch the guy sooner or that we didn't hear much about the serial killer because of who the victims were, and at the very same time......really.....the very same same same time........understand/condone what that one cop did.

Understanding the cop's actions in no way deminishes my feelings for the mother.  Period.

And I'm not just speaking as a TV-educated cop here.  I have had professional training and experience in this field.  

I'm not Korean, but I would bet money the cop is disgusted himself with the position he found himself in.  I'd bet he has gone over in his mind what other techniques might have worked.  But I also bet he feels he was justified in what he did.  Does that mean he likes the killer above the mother?  Hell no.  He was doing his job.

And since we are all gung-ho here to put ourselves in other people's shoes, I ask you again to put yourself in his</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speechless, &#8220;you have some great odd logic there usinkorea. that will get you far in the social world i bet&#8221;  I don&#8217;t take offense, but I&#8217;m also not the one running around like a chicken with its head cut off slamming people wildly.</p>
<p>And everybody &#8212;- it is highly possible to sympathise with the mother and other family members of the victims, feel disgust that the police didn&#8217;t catch the guy sooner or that we didn&#8217;t hear much about the serial killer because of who the victims were, and at the very same time&#8230;&#8230;really&#8230;..the very same same same time&#8230;&#8230;..understand/condone what that one cop did.</p>
<p>Understanding the cop&#8217;s actions in no way deminishes my feelings for the mother.  Period.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not just speaking as a TV-educated cop here.  I have had professional training and experience in this field.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not Korean, but I would bet money the cop is disgusted himself with the position he found himself in.  I&#8217;d bet he has gone over in his mind what other techniques might have worked.  But I also bet he feels he was justified in what he did.  Does that mean he likes the killer above the mother?  Hell no.  He was doing his job.</p>
<p>And since we are all gung-ho here to put ourselves in other people&#8217;s shoes, I ask you again to put yourself in his</p>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the police officer in that instance does not know any of that! For heaven's sake, what?
I can just run at that guy and not expect to be resisted? The cop doesn't know who she is , how old she is, what color her hair is...etc.. what are you getting at?
Some one charged and he reacted.

^^^For heaven?€™s sake, guys. She has lost her daughter, because a fucking bastard killed her for whatever irrational reasons. I don?€™t care, if her daughter was a prostitute or a damned well-mannered Ewha student - she was muredered and the mother was kicked to the ground by the police, who wasn?€™t able to do their job appropriatly and protect the lives of those rich elderly citizens and young female outsiders of the Korean society. Isn?€™t it fucking sad, even for us amateurish TV-educated cops??? The ajumma fell on her ass, but we are bystanding asses altogether.^^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the police officer in that instance does not know any of that! For heaven&#8217;s sake, what?<br />
I can just run at that guy and not expect to be resisted? The cop doesn&#8217;t know who she is , how old she is, what color her hair is&#8230;etc.. what are you getting at?<br />
Some one charged and he reacted.</p>
<p>^^^For heaven?€™s sake, guys. She has lost her daughter, because a fucking bastard killed her for whatever irrational reasons. I don?€™t care, if her daughter was a prostitute or a damned well-mannered Ewha student - she was muredered and the mother was kicked to the ground by the police, who wasn?€™t able to do their job appropriatly and protect the lives of those rich elderly citizens and young female outsiders of the Korean society. Isn?€™t it fucking sad, even for us amateurish TV-educated cops??? The ajumma fell on her ass, but we are bystanding asses altogether.^^^</p>
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		<title>By: Sugar Shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugar Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For heaven's sake, guys. She has lost her daughter, because a fucking bastard killed her for whatever irrational reasons. I don't care, if her daughter was a prostitute or a damned well-mannered Ewha student - she was muredered and the mother was kicked to the ground by the police, who wasn't able to do their job  appropriatly and protect the lives of those rich elderly citizens and young female outsiders of the Korean society. Isn't it fucking sad, even for us amateurish TV-educated cops??? The ajumma fell on her ass, but we are bystanding asses altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For heaven&#8217;s sake, guys. She has lost her daughter, because a fucking bastard killed her for whatever irrational reasons. I don&#8217;t care, if her daughter was a prostitute or a damned well-mannered Ewha student - she was muredered and the mother was kicked to the ground by the police, who wasn&#8217;t able to do their job  appropriatly and protect the lives of those rich elderly citizens and young female outsiders of the Korean society. Isn&#8217;t it fucking sad, even for us amateurish TV-educated cops??? The ajumma fell on her ass, but we are bystanding asses altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>hardyandtiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they should have taken the lunatic out the back entrance? But they didn't.
So does that mean the police should expect someone to charge towards the suspect with an umbrella.  What if the officer doesn't kick her and she jabs the umbrella into the cop's eye by accident? So then we have a cop with one eye missing and ajumma doesn't have a sore ass?
If you make a charge like that you should expect some unique resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they should have taken the lunatic out the back entrance? But they didn&#8217;t.<br />
So does that mean the police should expect someone to charge towards the suspect with an umbrella.  What if the officer doesn&#8217;t kick her and she jabs the umbrella into the cop&#8217;s eye by accident? So then we have a cop with one eye missing and ajumma doesn&#8217;t have a sore ass?<br />
If you make a charge like that you should expect some unique resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look in the back right of the picture: what the hell are all those policeman doing back there? Why weren't they actually in a position to block people from rushing the victim? Did it never occur to them that there might be, oh, I don't know...200-300 family members and friends of the deceased who might try to clobber or kill this guy? 
Police messed up by not blocking the "suspect" from the crowd effectively in the first place (she should have never gotten within 20 feet of the guy). 
THAT is where the monumental fuck up is. Yes, the cop messed up, but unless he has a history of kicking 50 year-old women down stairs everytime he has half a chance then it was a mistake deserving a light reprimand. Shit happens fast and in that split-second he just didn't have time to analyze the situation like all the above posters here. Give him a reprimand and fire his idiot supervisor who didn't cut position the police officers like he should have in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look in the back right of the picture: what the hell are all those policeman doing back there? Why weren&#8217;t they actually in a position to block people from rushing the victim? Did it never occur to them that there might be, oh, I don&#8217;t know&#8230;200-300 family members and friends of the deceased who might try to clobber or kill this guy?<br />
Police messed up by not blocking the &#8220;suspect&#8221; from the crowd effectively in the first place (she should have never gotten within 20 feet of the guy).<br />
THAT is where the monumental fuck up is. Yes, the cop messed up, but unless he has a history of kicking 50 year-old women down stairs everytime he has half a chance then it was a mistake deserving a light reprimand. Shit happens fast and in that split-second he just didn&#8217;t have time to analyze the situation like all the above posters here. Give him a reprimand and fire his idiot supervisor who didn&#8217;t cut position the police officers like he should have in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: kimchipig</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimchipig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather be booted than pepper-sprayed, which is what would have happened here in Canada. Pepper spray lasts a lot longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather be booted than pepper-sprayed, which is what would have happened here in Canada. Pepper spray lasts a lot longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugar Shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugar Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are so many Korean women prostitutes? - Fabius (?) 

I'm speechless... with a small "s", folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are so many Korean women prostitutes? - Fabius (?) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m speechless&#8230; with a small &#8220;s&#8221;, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: speechless</title>
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		<dc:creator>speechless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i will acknowledge that i went off to a tangent talking about bush. but that was an example, which you totally blew out of the proportion. i will also acknowledge that in the law enforcement agency, the police do have the right to use force when the situation permits. you cannot deny the fact that in the end the fault is placed on the police. defend the police all you want, but if you make compromises in key events allowing the police to have greater use of force, then in the end the people are going to lose. i guess thinking in non-partisan way is a good thing, that's what blogs are for anyway. but don't tell me that you will be calm and cool when someone you care about is butchered and the police messes up the case, and in the end up course kick her 50 year old mother down the stairs. you have some great oold logic there usinkorea. that will get you far in the social world i bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will acknowledge that i went off to a tangent talking about bush. but that was an example, which you totally blew out of the proportion. i will also acknowledge that in the law enforcement agency, the police do have the right to use force when the situation permits. you cannot deny the fact that in the end the fault is placed on the police. defend the police all you want, but if you make compromises in key events allowing the police to have greater use of force, then in the end the people are going to lose. i guess thinking in non-partisan way is a good thing, that&#8217;s what blogs are for anyway. but don&#8217;t tell me that you will be calm and cool when someone you care about is butchered and the police messes up the case, and in the end up course kick her 50 year old mother down the stairs. you have some great oold logic there usinkorea. that will get you far in the social world i bet.</p>
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