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	<title>Comments on: Well, I&#8217;m glad the Chinese aren&#8217;t like those crude Americans</title>
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		<title>By: KimcheeGI</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/06/03/well-im-glad-the-chinese-arent-like-those-crude-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-3952</link>
		<dc:creator>KimcheeGI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
Actually the Cuba argument has been used in the reverse:

The Taiwanese Elephant

Taiwan is the elephant in the living room that we all have tried to ignore. Beijing sees the island as a breakaway province that must inevitably be reunited with the motherland. Taiwan is the bottom line of Chinese foreign policy, the place that Beijing would most likely use force to assert its will or to fend off what it sees as foreign interference. When we ask why China wanted American nuclear technology, we need look no further than Taiwan.

The fate of Taiwan is Reason Number One why the Chinese are so adamant that countries should not intervene in one another??р꽓s ???밿nternal??? affairs. Beijing??р꽓s rulers figure that if they are not making trouble for us in Cuba, we have no business bothering them about their renegade island. Those Red Army nukes are meant to enforce this view by saying, ???뱒tay out of our back yard.???

The trouble is that China has a big back yard. Besides Taiwan, we need to be concerned with Tibet, India (with which China shares a tense Himalayan border), Russia (another historically tense border), Burma (where the Chinese apparently maintain good working relations with a repressive junta), Korea (China probably does not want a united, prosperous and free Korea right next door, preferring to keep the peninsula quiet but divided), Vietnam and the rest of Southeast Asia, Japan (the traditional rival and not-too-long-ago invader), and even Indonesia and the Philippines, whose jurisdictional claims in the South China Sea overlap China??р꽓s.

Here's another reference that neatly summarizes China's Modern National Security Policy: The Chinese Security Concept and its Historical Evolution
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
Actually the Cuba argument has been used in the reverse:</p>
<p>The Taiwanese Elephant</p>
<p>Taiwan is the elephant in the living room that we all have tried to ignore. Beijing sees the island as a breakaway province that must inevitably be reunited with the motherland. Taiwan is the bottom line of Chinese foreign policy, the place that Beijing would most likely use force to assert its will or to fend off what it sees as foreign interference. When we ask why China wanted American nuclear technology, we need look no further than Taiwan.</p>
<p>The fate of Taiwan is Reason Number One why the Chinese are so adamant that countries should not intervene in one another??р꽓s ???밿nternal??? affairs. Beijing??р꽓s rulers figure that if they are not making trouble for us in Cuba, we have no business bothering them about their renegade island. Those Red Army nukes are meant to enforce this view by saying, ???뱒tay out of our back yard.???</p>
<p>The trouble is that China has a big back yard. Besides Taiwan, we need to be concerned with Tibet, India (with which China shares a tense Himalayan border), Russia (another historically tense border), Burma (where the Chinese apparently maintain good working relations with a repressive junta), Korea (China probably does not want a united, prosperous and free Korea right next door, preferring to keep the peninsula quiet but divided), Vietnam and the rest of Southeast Asia, Japan (the traditional rival and not-too-long-ago invader), and even Indonesia and the Philippines, whose jurisdictional claims in the South China Sea overlap China??р꽓s.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another reference that neatly summarizes China&#8217;s Modern National Security Policy: The Chinese Security Concept and its Historical Evolution</p>
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		<title>By: Scott-in-Japan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott-in-Japan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misc. question to all, but I'd really appreciate KimcheeGI's take on this.  How come the Taiwan issue hasn't been pressed as an analogue to the issue of Cuba?  That is, a politically antagonistic nation just off the shore of the larger country.  The USA has Cuba to deal with, why can't China "be a man" about it and leave Taiwan alone?

The Communists of China physically captured the mainland, but they want to be given the island of Taiwan by default.  If Taiwan agrees to stay non-nuclear (like Cuba) what else would China need to be happy?  

[ I know this sane thinking would require the Communists to not be, well, communists.  But.... ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misc. question to all, but I&#8217;d really appreciate KimcheeGI&#8217;s take on this.  How come the Taiwan issue hasn&#8217;t been pressed as an analogue to the issue of Cuba?  That is, a politically antagonistic nation just off the shore of the larger country.  The USA has Cuba to deal with, why can&#8217;t China &#8220;be a man&#8221; about it and leave Taiwan alone?</p>
<p>The Communists of China physically captured the mainland, but they want to be given the island of Taiwan by default.  If Taiwan agrees to stay non-nuclear (like Cuba) what else would China need to be happy?  </p>
<p>[ I know this sane thinking would require the Communists to not be, well, communists.  But.... ]</p>
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		<title>By: KimcheeGI</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimcheeGI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - Daai Tou Laam said:

Of course I dare ya to name the lead representative of the US delegation to Chen's inauguration. And name his position in the Bush administration. (That's a trick question... because no one from the Executive Branch went to Taiwan... not even an assistant to the assistant of the deputy director of some sub-department.)

They left it to a member of the Legislature. Representative James A. Leach (R-Iowa) Chairman, Congressional-Executive Commission on China and 
Chairman, House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific to lead the U.S. delegation.

From James Kelly's testimony to the House International Relations Committee:

First, let me thank Chairman Leach for his service in leading the American people's delegation to the May 20 inauguration of President Chen of Taiwan. Your longstanding interest in Taiwan underscores the respect we feel for the people of Taiwan, their democracy and our commitment to working with the new Chen Administration. And, your presence delivered a clear and unambiguous signal to Taiwan and the PRC on the importance of reducing tensions across the Taiwan Strait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom - Daai Tou Laam said:</p>
<p>Of course I dare ya to name the lead representative of the US delegation to Chen&#8217;s inauguration. And name his position in the Bush administration. (That&#8217;s a trick question&#8230; because no one from the Executive Branch went to Taiwan&#8230; not even an assistant to the assistant of the deputy director of some sub-department.)</p>
<p>They left it to a member of the Legislature. Representative James A. Leach (R-Iowa) Chairman, Congressional-Executive Commission on China and<br />
Chairman, House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific to lead the U.S. delegation.</p>
<p>From James Kelly&#8217;s testimony to the House International Relations Committee:</p>
<p>First, let me thank Chairman Leach for his service in leading the American people&#8217;s delegation to the May 20 inauguration of President Chen of Taiwan. Your longstanding interest in Taiwan underscores the respect we feel for the people of Taiwan, their democracy and our commitment to working with the new Chen Administration. And, your presence delivered a clear and unambiguous signal to Taiwan and the PRC on the importance of reducing tensions across the Taiwan Strait.</p>
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		<title>By: Deflet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deflet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that the Chinese Embassy is trying to train Korean politicians. Politicians in many other countries would be more aware of the issues involved and thus less inclined to take part in any Taiwanese ceremony. Korean politicians, being the generally incompetent bunch they are, are perhaps not particularly aware of events and circumstances in the big bad world.

The Chinese Embassy sending letters is just a continuation of their normal policy, albeit a rather heavy-handed example, and while perhaps notable, is nothing particularly new.
The Korean response has been fun though. :)

If the Koreans are so worried about it, why did they cut ties with the ROC, hhhmmmmm?

Don't get me wrong. I support the Taiwanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that the Chinese Embassy is trying to train Korean politicians. Politicians in many other countries would be more aware of the issues involved and thus less inclined to take part in any Taiwanese ceremony. Korean politicians, being the generally incompetent bunch they are, are perhaps not particularly aware of events and circumstances in the big bad world.</p>
<p>The Chinese Embassy sending letters is just a continuation of their normal policy, albeit a rather heavy-handed example, and while perhaps notable, is nothing particularly new.<br />
The Korean response has been fun though. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
If the Koreans are so worried about it, why did they cut ties with the ROC, hhhmmmmm?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I support the Taiwanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom - Daai Tou Laam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom - Daai Tou Laam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 07:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... sounds a lot like the relationship between the current White House and White House press pool.

Of course I dare ya to name the lead representative of the US delegation to Chen's inauguration. And name his position in the Bush administration. (That's a trick question... because no one from the Executive Branch went to Taiwan... not even an assistant to the assistant of the deputy director of some sub-department.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; sounds a lot like the relationship between the current White House and White House press pool.</p>
<p>Of course I dare ya to name the lead representative of the US delegation to Chen&#8217;s inauguration. And name his position in the Bush administration. (That&#8217;s a trick question&#8230; because no one from the Executive Branch went to Taiwan&#8230; not even an assistant to the assistant of the deputy director of some sub-department.)</p>
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