As one can imagine, the only thing the papers are really talking about is the impeachment vote. There’s a ton of information, analysis, rumor mongering etc. out there, and nobody has the time to go through it all. Anyway, allow me to make a couple of quick points:
- This is NOT a crisis. Yes, people are pissed off, and there are pretty big demonstrations against the impeachment, but contrary to some news reports (and I gather KBS is the major offender here, but don’t quote me on that), we have not witnessed a suspension of the constitutional system, nor has the nation descended into chaos. I was at yesterday’s big demonstration in Gwanghwamun (missed Ahn Chi-hwan, though), and everyone was on their best behavior. Basically, you had a lot of college kids and young families (with their children, which I generally dislike seeing at a political function of that nature) chanting, singing, holding candles, and waving signs, but an unruly crowd it wasn’t. Anyway, the constitution is functioning as it should — the impeachment vote was stupid and immoral, but unfortunately, it was legal (there is SOME disagreement about this, I should point out), and unless the GNP knows something that we don’t, the Constitutional Court will quickly throw out the impeachment and this whole mess will amount to little other than an act of political suicide on the part of the GNP and MDP. Meanwhile, the government is in pretty good hands with Prime Minister Goh “2ID” Kun, who’s the perfect man to run the show in a situation like this, as the Flying Yangban points out.
- Granted, public opinion is fickle, and people are still in shock about this whole affair, but as it stands now, the GNP and MDP have signed their own death warrants as far as the general election in April are concerned. Since the impeachment vote, support for Roh and the Uri Party has skyrocketed, whereas support for the GNP and MDP has crashed. Good conservative that I am, this does concern me, because I trust neither Roh, the Uri Party, or the people who back them. But then again, if I had voting rights, I’d be voting for Uri in April.
Now some other crap:
- GNP head Choe Byeong-nyeol — why is this man still employed? — is predicting a “battle to the death” in April. He’s right, of course, although it’s going to be his death, and I’m not sure if it’s going to be much of a battle. Anyway, here’s how he put it:
The situation now is a life or death crisis in which the Roh Moo-hyun administration, wearing the mask of progressive forces, and radical forces masquerading as social organizations are conspiring to destroy the forces of moderate conservatism. [The 17th general election] will be a desperate war between pro-Roh and anti-Roh forces, regardless of whether we want it or not.
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This country has split into two groups — those forces that make the nation chaotic and are trying to interfere with the normal decision making process of the Constitutional Court, and those forces of stability that worry about the nation and do their work quietly… Those people who criticize without grounds, they are forces of insecurity who disturb public order with candlelight demonstrations and ignore the citizens. We are the forces of stability.
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On the surface, they call for a change in ruling forces, but the change they really scheme for is regime change in Korea… To the extent that the failure of the GNP would mean the death of healthy conservatism, we must pull together for the party and the future of the nation.Well, it’s nice to see the spokesman for “healthy conservatism” doing his best not to polarize the nation in this time of heightened emotions [sarcasm off]. Speaking as a conservative, the thing Korea needs most is a healthy, rational, future-oriented conservative party. And the only way that’s going to happen is if the GNP gets spanked. Screw spanked — obliterated.
Oh, Choe also said his party made its decision because it wanted to spare the nation another four years of pain and confusion, and the most important thing now was for divided public opinion to come together. I can certainly sympathize with his first point, but unfortunately, his second point seems to be coming true — between 60 and 70 percent of the electorate think the impeachment was a bad idea, and Uri Party support ratings are ahead in every region of Korea outside of Daegu and North Gyeongsang Province (and even there, only little over 30 percent said they supported the impeachment, even if they’d rather slit their wrists than vote for Uri in April). Nice move there, Choetler.
- Meanwhile, MDP head Chough Soon-hyung spent the day bitching at KBS and MBC, claiming that they were misreporting the situation and intentionally trying to cause social anarchy. Apparently, the GNP was planning to criticize the broadcast media as well, but suddenly changed their minds. No bother — the Chosun Ilbo did it for them.
Chough is also fending off demands by some members of his own party to take responsibility for the impeachment mess and resign. Chough told them in no uncertain terms to kiss his ass, and made clear that he’ll deal with them when the time comes. He pointed out that in every organization, there are “basic morals” that need to be followed (What those morals are, in the case of the MDP, is anyone’s guess) — he even recited a line in a JFK book that points out that “The hottest place in hell is reserved for those who are neutral in times of ethical crisis” and pointed to all those rats who wanted to jump ship after the Bay of Pigs.
- That brings us to Uri. It pains me to say this, but they are being — by far — the most mature of the bunch. Of course, when you’re sitting as pretty as they are right now, there’s no need to do anything stupid. They’re apparently going to get North Jeolla Province governor Kang Hyeon-uk to defect from the MDP, and those MDP lawmakers who are calling for Chough’s scalp may be defecting soon, too. They also intend to make sure that everyone and their brother knows that Roh got screwed. At the same time, they’ve called off rallies in order to give citizens, foreign investors, and probably the North Koreans the impression that every thing’s stable. Roh, meanwhile, is probably enjoying his time off — he never seemed to like his job, anyway — and I’ve got to give credit when credit is due; for a guy with a distinct tendency to say a lot of stupid shit at the worst time, he has handled himself with a lot of class since the impeachment vote.
I do have a suggestion for Uri, just in case any of their guys read this blog — make sure Nosamo and the college kids understand that they’re winning at this point, and if they continue with the politics of the street, it’s just going to piss people off. I need not remind you that Roh’s approval ratings were quite low before the vote, and they can go right back down in the shitter if you guys aren’t careful. It’s only been three days since the vote, and I can understand how the candle light demonstrations in Gwanghwamun might be politically useful for now. But if this crap keeps going on until the Constitutional Court decision or general election, it’s going to piss people off, and they’re going to start remembering why they really didn’t like Roh (after they elected him) in the first place. With the construction work going on in front of City Hall, downtown traffic is bad enough as it is. Don’t make it worse.
- The North Koreans have decided to honor us with their own commentary on the impeachment issue. The Committee for Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland called the impeachment a “political rebellion that thrust a knife into popular sentiment” and said, “We are watching the current situation in South Korea.” They also said, “This ‘impeachment’ disorder is something that, in the end, will not be simply an internal South Korean problem… The entity that caused this situation in South Korea is the United States.” (UPDATE: English Reuters report here)
This was kind of interesting, not because it was unexpected on the part of the North Koreans, but because while I was at that demonstration last night, I saw two signs — held by college kids, of course — that read, in Korean, “U.S. — stop interfering in our internal politics,” and, “The U.S. is the puppet master behind the impeachment conspiracy.” Now, let me say this one more time, just to make it clear — I saw TWO signs, and that was in a demonstration of about 70,000 people. Hardly representative, if you get my drift. Now, I’m sure that among the Hanchongnyeon crowd, there are students busy making up conspiracy theories about how this is all a plot emanating from the U.S. Embassy (heck, they don’t need to make them up — they can just get them from the KCNA), and there are some within the Roh camp that aren’t above the use of anti-Americanism as an internal political ploy — the presidential election being a case in point. But from what I’ve been reading, and from what I saw last night, the only people blaming the U.S. for this impeachment are the North Koreans and two groups of college kids. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it until I see something that proves me wrong.
Note: Pic from OhMyNews


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Dang Marmot,
I was going to post on the political situation in Korea but you’ve already covered most of what I was going to talk about.
Great read. Now we know why you are the “point man” among Korea Bloggeristas (winks to the Infidel).
All this has happened with Roh in office a little more than a year. Even if he survives this, I really don’t see how he’s going to finish his term. Yes, Roh is incompetent, but he’s a worse politician. He seems hell-bent on making enemies with everyone in the legislature (193-2!), and that’s a terrible way to run a country.
And as you say Marmot, Roh never looked like he enjoyed the job and his duties as president, which is a real disservice to the people. Say what you want about Park Chung-hee and Kim Dae-jung, but at least they loved being president.
Yes, “he never seemed to like his job, anyway.” And this is not meant as a troll, but I honestly have no idea why Roh should be brought back when neither he nor anyone in the Uri Party seems to have any specific reform measures. I mean, what have they proposed except “we’re not the other guys”? There are structural flaws in government here, such as loose or unclear fund raising and campaign laws, but Roh and Co. don’t seem to address them–they only make light of their own transgressions compared to the other parties.
Thanks for the important correction about wrong use of the phrase “constitutional crisis” — I won’t do it again, unless you indicate it’s justified.
In my defense, I plead guilty to thinking that fisticuffs and scrums in the legislature would naturally signal a crisis in South Korean politics. Guess I was wrong.
“In my defense, I plead guilty to thinking that fisticuffs and scrums in the legislature would naturally signal a crisis in South Korean politics. Guess I was wrong.”
Hehe… I got a chuckle out of that. If any significant length of time went by *without* fisticuffs and scrums in the legislature, then I’d start getting worried.
In a February 15 article, “Foreign Netizens, ‘I cannot understand the impeachment” Hakyore uses quotes from “The Guardian” bulletin board and Korean blogs, including “The Marmot Hole,” “The Flying Yangban,” and “Kamelian Xrays” to make the following claim: “In regard to the impeachment of Roh Mu-hyun, the dominant reaction of foreign netizens is that they cannot understand it.”
Though it is nice to know that the people are Hankyore are reading English language blogs on Korea, it pisses me off to see them use selective quotos from selective sites to make the claim that most foreign netizens do not understand why Roh was impeached. How can they claim a majority from such a sample? Are they too lazy to do a statistical survey?
The article is not only biased, but also dumb. I hate the word, “netizen,” and I hate the Korean media uses the opinions of mostly anonymous online posters to try to shape and define public opinion.
The Hankyore article I referred to in my above post is a March 15 article, not February 15.
I agree, Gerry — I just read the piece, and while I certainly like getting quoted in the Korean press (and it’s nice to see someone is reading), I wouldn’t go as far as to say that the views expressed are ?짠??째째???. The Korean Times ran a similar piece the other day, and all they did was talk to a couple of expats and foreign experts (perhaps). And the BBS posts from the Guardian they used seems as if they were selectively chosen.
First of all, I apologize for what other Korean newspapers igored the intelligence of foriegners living in Korea.
As one of pro-progressive youngster in Korea, I am grateful to see many free opinions in this blog whether it is criticism or not.
As far as I understand, I want to clearfy several things on current impeachment situation.
1. There are some group of people who is in pro-Roh faction like NoSaMo(Group of people who love President Roh)s, but the fundamental crisis lies in the fear of not protecting our current consitution. In fact, this current constitution was amended on 10th of June in 1987 on bloods and sufferings of many dissidents in former militaristic government. The representatives of GNP and MDP actually fears the extinction of regional rival structure of politics which was actually formed by the plan and comment of former President Park’s president campaign in 1970s( He was Korean-japanese officer in WW II)
2. So, Koreans who were fighting against authoristic military government see this as a rebirth of old political structure which was seemingly changed slowly. President Roh, for avoiding any poltical tackles from opposition party, he raised the degree of transparency in terms of political eqaulity by cutting his control over many power exercising tools(Justice of Department, Department of National Attorney, more importantly he rejected political report from his own intelligence service ) which was famously used by many former presidents in election seasons and other political conflicts(this includes Novel Peace Prize winner former president Kim, Dae- Jung).
3. I do know there can be anti-rally sentiment for seeking the stability and people would say ” Who cares ? ” . They are busy maintaining their daily survival. And to be honest with you, there are not many korean youngsters who can just simply spare their precious time to some political arguments like this. So the number of rally members is unexpectedly small. If you saw Koreans gathered in 2002 World cup and other anti- American rallies, you would not dare to compare the numbers of anti-impeachment rally.
4. But even those people who wants stability do feel sorry for the loss of President Roh. The reason of current stability not just comes from the reliability of Acting President Ko- Kun but also from the emergency control system under the President Roh’s idea. In the extent of bureaucratic system, you might not have trusted the stability of this country if the same thing was happened even under the President Kim, Dae-Jung administration.
5. Furthermore, the reason of the current stablity is that the opposition parties do not mention any impeachment as they did for the last one year under the Roh’s control to Ko-Kun or any cabinet members. Because they acheive what they wanted, thesedays they now just want to wait for the sick and tiredness of people and major ardent for silent nation.
But their political calculation seems to be wrong as you see in many internet datas.
We are aware of dangerous emo-crowds in Korean internet society but internet poll has made it sure to have just one poll from each loggers. And Based on other surveys except Internet statistics( from independent reserch company asked by MBC and KBS), I am sure majority of Koreans are not for the decision of impeachment by the rate 3:7 .
I just would like to make a point that this would be the important historical decision wether we go back to the old form of political conflict or proceed to much more justified and transparent soceity. And I hope you guys to pray for the wisest decision .
Lot more to say.. but I am hungry..
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