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		<title>By: David Tillman</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/03/07/dont-run-into-the-damn-hole/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you damnd yanks dont know shit well i guess if i almost got whipped by a bounch of starved half dead farmers from the south ide be in denile to
we did the right thing at the crater and at andersonville kill as many as you can before they kill you.               The South Was Right God bless Dixie And The Confederacy
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we did the right thing at the crater and at andersonville kill as many as you can before they kill you.               The South Was Right God bless Dixie And The Confederacy</p>
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		<title>By: ANcorenalpha</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/03/07/dont-run-into-the-damn-hole/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>ANcorenalpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.  You can't go letting CRITICS making your decisions for you.  Sheesh.  Besides, they're generally wrong anyway.  The more critics bash a movie, the more encouragement I have to go and see it.  They're called "critics" for a reason.

  The running time was long, indeed, but it was worth it.  That's why they also included an old-school "Intermission" in the middle of the showing.

  It was a good movie, and it portrayed many aspects of the war and many battles quite well.  If you're in any way into military history, it's interesting to see how the military was evolving at that point... you can even see where certain modern traditions evolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  You can&#8217;t go letting CRITICS making your decisions for you.  Sheesh.  Besides, they&#8217;re generally wrong anyway.  The more critics bash a movie, the more encouragement I have to go and see it.  They&#8217;re called &#8220;critics&#8221; for a reason.</p>
<p>  The running time was long, indeed, but it was worth it.  That&#8217;s why they also included an old-school &#8220;Intermission&#8221; in the middle of the showing.</p>
<p>  It was a good movie, and it portrayed many aspects of the war and many battles quite well.  If you&#8217;re in any way into military history, it&#8217;s interesting to see how the military was evolving at that point&#8230; you can even see where certain modern traditions evolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>never saw gods and generals - i try to avoid films involving ted turner and exorbitant running times.  the terrible reviews were not encouraging, either.</description>
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		<title>By: Ancorenalpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ancorenalpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob, Kev.  In fact, reading my own posts, I realize I sounded like an ass in a couple of them.  Sorry about that.  Yeah, I don't think this movie was deserving of any major awards, but it was a worthwhile film to see, unlike many others which crowd the theaters.

  Singling me out is alright... I was the only one replying to your posts directly and repeatedly.  Makes sense you'd reply back. ;)  Speaking of Civil War era films, what did you think about Gods and Generals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob, Kev.  In fact, reading my own posts, I realize I sounded like an ass in a couple of them.  Sorry about that.  Yeah, I don&#8217;t think this movie was deserving of any major awards, but it was a worthwhile film to see, unlike many others which crowd the theaters.</p>
<p>  Singling me out is alright&#8230; I was the only one replying to your posts directly and repeatedly.  Makes sense you&#8217;d reply back. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Speaking of Civil War era films, what did you think about Gods and Generals?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2004 17:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn't mean to single you out, ancorenalpha.  there was just quite a few things in cold mountain (the ensuing oscar publicity push) that rubbed me the wrong way.  we're all entitled to our opinions, however.  my aplogies for perhaps reading things into your posts that were not there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t mean to single you out, ancorenalpha.  there was just quite a few things in cold mountain (the ensuing oscar publicity push) that rubbed me the wrong way.  we&#8217;re all entitled to our opinions, however.  my aplogies for perhaps reading things into your posts that were not there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancorenalpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ancorenalpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Kevin, and I think I see why we're butting heads here.  Personally, I never claimed it to be great.  Very good, yes, but not great.  Apparently others think it is great, and you disagree with them.  That's fine.  I see the film as being above the level of mediocre, however, and I guess in this case we'll have to disagree.  It was a refreshing change, though nothing revolutionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Kevin, and I think I see why we&#8217;re butting heads here.  Personally, I never claimed it to be great.  Very good, yes, but not great.  Apparently others think it is great, and you disagree with them.  That&#8217;s fine.  I see the film as being above the level of mediocre, however, and I guess in this case we&#8217;ll have to disagree.  It was a refreshing change, though nothing revolutionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ancorenalpha, i work in the film industry, so i didn't really expect cold mountain do be anything other than painfully mediocre, which it ultimately was.  in my opinion, formula and artistic decisions dictated by "not wanting to draw bad press" or not wishing to "alter people's views" does not a great movie make.

again, you can spend your time much worse than seeing cold mountain.  but when we start calling formulaic hollywood fluff like this to be a great film, then we've really lost sight of what great films really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ancorenalpha, i work in the film industry, so i didn&#8217;t really expect cold mountain do be anything other than painfully mediocre, which it ultimately was.  in my opinion, formula and artistic decisions dictated by &#8220;not wanting to draw bad press&#8221; or not wishing to &#8220;alter people&#8217;s views&#8221; does not a great movie make.</p>
<p>again, you can spend your time much worse than seeing cold mountain.  but when we start calling formulaic hollywood fluff like this to be a great film, then we&#8217;ve really lost sight of what great films really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Ancorenalpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ancorenalpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, that's just fine.  I see the problem--you expect it do something, and you expect it before you even see the film.

  What you described is actually a standard formula used by Hollywood.  It's 'standard' because it works.  Indeed, they didn't go TOO deep into many of the issues that I would classify as "moral quagmires" simply because of the fact that they didn't want the movie to be controversial or draw bad press.  They weren't trying to alter people's views, just tell a story.

  I have seen many movies and read many books.  I can agree with people who say that the book is almost always better than the movie.  In that case, I'd advise you to look for the book, which was written a LONG time ago, and read it.  If you really ARE interested in the details you brought up, perhaps you can find the answers for them there.

  RickyVandal, there's a LOT of books with that topic.  Try looking around.  Turtledove did a pretty good one with "Guns of the South", which later branched off into an entire "alternate universe history" of what happens after, all the way up to the World Wars.  Of course, in his, the South wins because of a rather sci-fi intrusion (the Southern generals are offered a batch of AK-47's by a temporally displaced weapons-dealer), but aside from that little glaring bit (as if they couldn't have one at the first battle of Bull Run and moved on the Washington from there, etc) it's pretty good and interesting stuff.

  Most writers (and readers, such as myself) agree that having the South win is generally a "Bad Thing" with unfortunate effects for the country and other parts of the world, since the United States wouldn't have been a united nation during the two world wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, that&#8217;s just fine.  I see the problem&#8211;you expect it do something, and you expect it before you even see the film.</p>
<p>  What you described is actually a standard formula used by Hollywood.  It&#8217;s &#8217;standard&#8217; because it works.  Indeed, they didn&#8217;t go TOO deep into many of the issues that I would classify as &#8220;moral quagmires&#8221; simply because of the fact that they didn&#8217;t want the movie to be controversial or draw bad press.  They weren&#8217;t trying to alter people&#8217;s views, just tell a story.</p>
<p>  I have seen many movies and read many books.  I can agree with people who say that the book is almost always better than the movie.  In that case, I&#8217;d advise you to look for the book, which was written a LONG time ago, and read it.  If you really ARE interested in the details you brought up, perhaps you can find the answers for them there.</p>
<p>  RickyVandal, there&#8217;s a LOT of books with that topic.  Try looking around.  Turtledove did a pretty good one with &#8220;Guns of the South&#8221;, which later branched off into an entire &#8220;alternate universe history&#8221; of what happens after, all the way up to the World Wars.  Of course, in his, the South wins because of a rather sci-fi intrusion (the Southern generals are offered a batch of AK-47&#8217;s by a temporally displaced weapons-dealer), but aside from that little glaring bit (as if they couldn&#8217;t have one at the first battle of Bull Run and moved on the Washington from there, etc) it&#8217;s pretty good and interesting stuff.</p>
<p>  Most writers (and readers, such as myself) agree that having the South win is generally a &#8220;Bad Thing&#8221; with unfortunate effects for the country and other parts of the world, since the United States wouldn&#8217;t have been a united nation during the two world wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I'm going to wait for the video.  I only go to the movies 4-5 times a year and I usually save it for 'epic' films like "LOTR" and the upcoming "Alamo."  Romance shows up just as well on the small screen.

The thing about showing multi-dimensional characters who embrace evil is that it is very difficult to show the process of that embrace without either losing empathy (for the protagonist) or misplacing empathy (for the antagonist).  One of the few movies that I have seen do that well is Menace II Society and that took the entire film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m going to wait for the video.  I only go to the movies 4-5 times a year and I usually save it for &#8216;epic&#8217; films like &#8220;LOTR&#8221; and the upcoming &#8220;Alamo.&#8221;  Romance shows up just as well on the small screen.</p>
<p>The thing about showing multi-dimensional characters who embrace evil is that it is very difficult to show the process of that embrace without either losing empathy (for the protagonist) or misplacing empathy (for the antagonist).  One of the few movies that I have seen do that well is Menace II Society and that took the entire film.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Vandal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Vandal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I woould like to see a movie in which the South wins. Just for a change.</description>
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