Comments on: Korean War Massacre http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/ Korea... in Blog Format Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:04:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Captain Scarlet http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2263 Captain Scarlet Sat, 06 Mar 2004 13:14:17 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2263 Ancorenalpha, do you have to be dead to be a victim? you people kill me. it is painfully obvious that you have never read a word of testimony submitted during the investigation. Ancorenalpha,
do you have to be dead to be a victim? you people kill me. it is painfully obvious that you have never read a word of testimony submitted during the investigation.

]]> By: Ancorenalpha http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2262 Ancorenalpha Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:25:37 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2262 You've probably left this long ago, Scarlet.. "some of the "victims" are indeed alive and participated in a mock trial several years ago with Ramsey Clark. " I can just see it now... "Yes, y'honor, two years ago I was shot and buried in a mass grave with dozens of my compatriots." Bit like the old joke about the mortician in the courtroom. D.A.: "So, how many autopsies did you perform on dead people?" Response: "All my autopsies were performed on dead people." Just in case the sheer humor of it was lost on you. Chew your own sock. You’ve probably left this long ago, Scarlet..

“some of the “victims” are indeed alive and participated in a mock trial several years ago with Ramsey Clark. ”

I can just see it now…
“Yes, y’honor, two years ago I was shot and buried in a mass grave with dozens of my compatriots.”

Bit like the old joke about the mortician in the courtroom.
D.A.: “So, how many autopsies did you perform on dead people?”
Response: “All my autopsies were performed on dead people.”

Just in case the sheer humor of it was lost on you. Chew your own sock.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2261 Anonymous Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:40:06 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2261 About Kwangju... This article, using declassified State Department and Defense Intelligence cables from 1979 and 1980 obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that the US did know of and approve Chun using the special forces against demonstrations in Kwangju and Seoul. It's a long article, parts B and E touch on the most pertinent bits. <a href="http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kwangju3.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kwangju3.htm</a> Regarding this: "Jimmy Carter was calling the shots back then and if you think JC (the nobel peace prize winning ex-president) would have done such a thing you are buying in to the BS from the korean left." Jimmy's national security advisor has interesting things to say about Afghanistan. (He confirms an assertion by the head of the CIA in the 70s about US intervention in this article) <a href="http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm" rel="nofollow">http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm</a> As well, the Carter administration sent loads of weapons to Indonesia at the height of the atrocities in East Timor. The peace process he started with Kim Il-Sung in 1994 is a good scale balancer though. About Kwangju…
This article, using declassified State Department and Defense Intelligence cables from 1979 and 1980 obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that the US did know of and approve Chun using the special forces against demonstrations in Kwangju and Seoul.

It’s a long article, parts B and E touch on the most pertinent bits.

http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/kwangju3.htm

Regarding this:
“Jimmy Carter was calling the shots back then and if you think JC (the nobel peace prize winning ex-president) would have done such a thing you are buying in to the BS from the korean left.”

Jimmy’s national security advisor has interesting things to say about Afghanistan. (He confirms an assertion by the head of the CIA in the 70s about US intervention in this article)

http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm

As well, the Carter administration sent loads of weapons to Indonesia at the height of the atrocities in East Timor.

The peace process he started with Kim Il-Sung in 1994 is a good scale balancer though.

]]> By: Captain Scarlet http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2260 Captain Scarlet Tue, 02 Mar 2004 08:41:28 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2260 doh! where is my brain! i was thinking kwangu. doh! where is my brain! i was thinking kwangu.

]]> By: sugar shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2259 sugar shin Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:08:48 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2259 Captain, Cheju-do/ Jeju-do massacre in 1948 - Jimmy Carter in charge then??? There have been US military advisors and observers on the island to watch over the suppression of the uprising, making photos of the operations and writing files and reports for the US military, which as a occupation force had the jurisdiction over the island before the official declaration of the ROK. Most of the massacres were perpetrated by South Korean Police Forces from the mainland and anti-Communist North Koreans of so called "Youth Leagues", in fact brutal militias. You should do a little bit research, before posting your opinions. Or have I misunderstood your Carter-story? Captain,

Cheju-do/ Jeju-do massacre in 1948 - Jimmy Carter in charge then???
There have been US military advisors and observers on the island to watch over the suppression of the uprising, making photos of the operations and writing files and reports for the US military, which as a occupation force had the jurisdiction over the island before the official declaration of the ROK. Most of the massacres were perpetrated by South Korean Police Forces from the mainland and anti-Communist North Koreans of so called “Youth Leagues”, in fact brutal militias.

You should do a little bit research, before posting your opinions. Or have I misunderstood your Carter-story?

]]> By: Captain Scarlet http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2258 Captain Scarlet Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:02:52 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2258 matt, by using a "proxy army" are you implying the US used the south's army to put down a rebellion? i hope not. Jimmy Carter was calling the shots back then and if you think JC (the nobel peace prize winning ex-president) would have done such a thing you are buying in to the BS from the korean left. i've had discussions with some koreans about the Jeju-do uprising. seems they said that when the rioters found out some american battle ships were closing in on the coastline of korea, they "thought" that the americans were coming to help them. they thought wrong. it was probably a recon mission but at any rate, the koreans felt that because we didn't help that we were on the side of the dictators. from there, the conspiracy theories have sprouted a million offspring. matt,
by using a “proxy army” are you implying the US used the south’s army to put down a rebellion? i hope not. Jimmy Carter was calling the shots back then and if you think JC (the nobel peace prize winning ex-president) would have done such a thing you are buying in to the BS from the korean left.

i’ve had discussions with some koreans about the Jeju-do uprising. seems they said that when the rioters found out some american battle ships were closing in on the coastline of korea, they “thought” that the americans were coming to help them. they thought wrong. it was probably a recon mission but at any rate, the koreans felt that because we didn’t help that we were on the side of the dictators. from there, the conspiracy theories have sprouted a million offspring.

]]> By: Captain Scarlet http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2257 Captain Scarlet Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:56:05 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2257 SS, i know.. i lived in germany for 7 years. best time of my life. the Loveparade rules. SS,
i know.. i lived in germany for 7 years. best time of my life. the Loveparade rules.

]]> By: matt http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2256 matt Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:02:07 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2256 The Jeju-do uprising in 1948 is one of the more interesting and horrific moments in both Korean and American history. The supression of an uprising by a proxy army, the use of 'strategic hamlets' and free-fire zones prefigure American tactics in Vietnam. Soldiers refusing to go to Jeju to fight the Guerrillas set off the Yeosu rebellion, which in turn bolstered the Jirisan partisans. The uprising on Jeju, and its suppression (killing at least 30,000) was kept under wraps for years. In 1997 a documentary called 'Red Hunt' was shown at a human rights film fest in Seoul and the person putting on the film fest was arrested under the national security law. Just a few months ago, Roh Moo-Hyun apologized to the people of Jeju; things have changed. Of course, as Captain Scarlet says, the people who took part in the killing have not been punished - many of them benefitted from it and still live there, which made people there afraid to speak out for years. There's a lot of info at <a href="http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/cheju.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/cheju.htm</a> (Elsewhere on this site I've seen pro-north anti-american stuff, but the Jeju section isn't so bad, and the primary sources and interviews are useful.) <a href="http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/cheju.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/cheju.htm</a> The Jeju-do uprising in 1948 is one of the more interesting and horrific moments in both Korean and American history. The supression of an uprising by a proxy army, the use of ’strategic hamlets’ and free-fire zones prefigure American tactics in Vietnam. Soldiers refusing to go to Jeju to fight the Guerrillas set off the Yeosu rebellion, which in turn bolstered the Jirisan partisans.
The uprising on Jeju, and its suppression (killing at least 30,000) was kept under wraps for years. In 1997 a documentary called ‘Red Hunt’ was shown at a human rights film fest in Seoul and the person putting on the film fest was arrested under the national security law. Just a few months ago, Roh Moo-Hyun apologized to the people of Jeju; things have changed. Of course, as Captain Scarlet says, the people who took part in the killing have not been punished - many of them benefitted from it and still live there, which made people there afraid to speak out for years.

There’s a lot of info at http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/cheju.htm

(Elsewhere on this site I’ve seen pro-north anti-american stuff, but the Jeju section isn’t so bad, and the primary sources and interviews are useful.)

http://www.kimsoft.com/1997/cheju.htm

]]> By: sugar shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2255 sugar shin Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:04:22 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2255 Captain Scarlet Wow, my English orthography is a shame. Your acronym for my netname is a little bit disturbing for me. SS was a acronym for the German "Schutzstaffel", the Nazi-cult-organisation which was responsible for managing the concentration camps and executing the holocaust, also functioning as the bodyguard-unit (Nazi "Secret Service") for Adolf Hitler. Captain Scarlet

Wow, my English orthography is a shame. Your acronym for my netname is a little bit disturbing for me. SS was a acronym for the German “Schutzstaffel”, the Nazi-cult-organisation which was responsible for managing the concentration camps and executing the holocaust, also functioning as the bodyguard-unit (Nazi “Secret Service”) for Adolf Hitler.

]]> By: sugar shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/27/korean-war-massacre/#comment-2254 sugar shin Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:38:20 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=570#comment-2254 >>tell me why no one was prosecuted for war crimes of it really happened >>tell me why no one was prosecuted for war crimes of it really happened

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