Comments on: One bill down, one to go http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:43:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: shin jong il http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-2002 shin jong il Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:45:32 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-2002 as i have said in another post, i make a distinction between you expats. i see mr marmot is the only one to express any appreciation for south korea's contribution. i also said that many of you from the angry expat brigade are childish, and willing to use lies to 'prove' your point. i need to add two more to the list. many of you are also unappreciative and murderous. PING: TITLE: Seoul's Murky Vote on Iraq Deployments BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays As the Marmot reports, South Korea's legislature finally voted in favor of a deployment of 3,000 troops to Iraq. I want to highlight, though, that the reasons for this decision are unclear. As the Marmot's post describes, there was some PING: TITLE: Korean political shorts (articles, not underwear) BLOG NAME: Flying Yangban (I'm a little busy today too. So here are just a few short things.) The Koreans are coming! (I'm serious this time.) As reported by the Marmot, the General Assembly finally approved the deployment of 3,000 troops to Iraq. It's as i have said in another post, i make a distinction between you expats. i see mr marmot is the only one to express any appreciation for south korea’s contribution.

i also said that many of you from the angry expat brigade are childish, and willing to use lies to ‘prove’ your point. i need to add two more to the list. many of you are also unappreciative

and murderous.

PING:
TITLE: Seoul’s Murky Vote on Iraq Deployments
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays
As the Marmot reports, South Korea’s legislature finally voted in favor of a deployment of 3,000 troops to Iraq. I want to highlight, though, that the reasons for this decision are unclear. As the Marmot’s post describes, there was some

PING:
TITLE: Korean political shorts (articles, not underwear)
BLOG NAME: Flying Yangban
(I’m a little busy today too. So here are just a few short things.) The Koreans are coming! (I’m serious this time.) As reported by the Marmot, the General Assembly finally approved the deployment of 3,000 troops to Iraq. It’s

]]> By: sugar shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-2001 sugar shin Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:42:07 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-2001 Mr. Marmot, although I was against starting the Iraq war, I?쨈ve expected a positive reaction of many US folks here, who constantly have waited for a decision of the National Assembly to send the supporting troops from Korea. This wobbling of all political parties and the Roh administration on this "to dispatch or not to dispatch, that?쨈s the question"-drama has finally ended to a positive outcome for the request of the US. I was not arguing for a "thank you", I?쨈ve expected something like "after all this long quarrel, it?쨈s good for now. You?쨈re putting your soldiers in harm?쨈s way and we all hope, they can get out without casualties." I was asking for some US leniency and friendlyness towards the lenghty, mindblogging process of decisionmaking and the final decision made. Starting this war was in my view wrong. Factually the US are now stuck in the Iraq quagmire, but it would be unwise to suddenly leave the destabilized Iraq. Also the troop dispatch is not wholeheartly supported within the Korean population and they are considerations of national interests within (oil interests, taking part in the bidding for construction contracts, calm the US-ROK relations, trying to influence the tough position of the US towards DPRK in the Six-Party-Talks etc.), I?쨈ve expected an "OK, you Korean dudes." and not something like "OK, but it?쨈s really late and think about your profits during the Vietnam War and... and... and... Mr. Marmot, although I was against starting the Iraq war, I?쨈ve expected a positive reaction of many US folks here, who constantly have waited for a decision of the National Assembly to send the supporting troops from Korea. This wobbling of all political parties and the Roh administration on this “to dispatch or not to dispatch, that?쨈s the question”-drama has finally ended to a positive outcome for the request of the US. I was not arguing for a “thank you”, I?쨈ve expected something like “after all this long quarrel, it?쨈s good for now. You?쨈re putting your soldiers in harm?쨈s way and we all hope, they can get out without casualties.” I was asking for some US leniency and friendlyness towards the lenghty, mindblogging process of decisionmaking and the final decision made.

Starting this war was in my view wrong. Factually the US are now stuck in the Iraq quagmire, but it would be unwise to suddenly leave the destabilized Iraq. Also the troop dispatch is not wholeheartly supported within the Korean population and they are considerations of national interests within (oil interests, taking part in the bidding for construction contracts, calm the US-ROK relations, trying to influence the tough position of the US towards DPRK in the Six-Party-Talks etc.), I?쨈ve expected an “OK, you Korean dudes.” and not something like “OK, but it?쨈s really late and think about your profits during the Vietnam War and… and… and…

]]> By: The Marmot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-2000 The Marmot Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:03:00 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-2000 On a personal level, I'm quite thankful the Koreans are coming along for the ride in Iraq. No question about that. And Shin Jong Il is right -- I think we owe the ROK a debt of gratitute, or at least gratitude that our interests in Iraq seem to coincide. But just for the sake of argument, because I know you two (the two Shins, that is) will appreciate it, allow me to play Korean university leftist for a moment and write, "Yeah, but Korea really doesn't care about the U.S. or Iraq; all it's doing is protecting its own selfish interests. After all, Korea imports three million barrels of oil a day, and it wants to get the oil contracts for Kirkuk. So why should we say thank you to a bunch of imperialists?" Do I believe that? No, but it IS the argument often espoused by radical leftists and nationalists in Korea concerning American participation in the Korean War, and given your generally dim view of US-ROK relations, Sugar Shin, I'm kind of surprised to see you arguing for a "thank you." That is, of course, assuming that your model of international relations doesn't posit that the actions of one state (i.e., Korea) in the international arena are intrinsically more benevolent than the actions of another (i.e., the U.S.) :) On a personal level, I’m quite thankful the Koreans are coming along for the ride in Iraq. No question about that. And Shin Jong Il is right — I think we owe the ROK a debt of gratitute, or at least gratitude that our interests in Iraq seem to coincide. But just for the sake of argument, because I know you two (the two Shins, that is) will appreciate it, allow me to play Korean university leftist for a moment and write, “Yeah, but Korea really doesn’t care about the U.S. or Iraq; all it’s doing is protecting its own selfish interests. After all, Korea imports three million barrels of oil a day, and it wants to get the oil contracts for Kirkuk. So why should we say thank you to a bunch of imperialists?” Do I believe that? No, but it IS the argument often espoused by radical leftists and nationalists in Korea concerning American participation in the Korean War, and given your generally dim view of US-ROK relations, Sugar Shin, I’m kind of surprised to see you arguing for a “thank you.” That is, of course, assuming that your model of international relations doesn’t posit that the actions of one state (i.e., Korea) in the international arena are intrinsically more benevolent than the actions of another (i.e., the U.S.) :)

]]> By: sugar shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-1999 sugar shin Mon, 16 Feb 2004 05:33:47 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-1999 "the vietnam war and the olympics in '88 built modern korea." - Captain Scarlet From the bottom of my heart: Thank you, Lyndon B. Johnson, Robert McNamara, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and Juan Antonio Samaranch for your leading role in building modern Korea! Thumbs up, the Vietnam War was absolutely great and the 1988 Olympic Games was magnificient too!!! Hey, Grant and Captain Scarlet, can?쨈t you simply say: "You?쨈ve come a long way, Baby. But it?쨈s good now. Take care of your health and let us shake hands, Republic of Korea." This would have been a nice reaction to the Iraq dispatch approval of the National Assembly. I guess, the Koreans can never satisfy you, whatever they do or not. “the vietnam war and the olympics in ‘88 built modern korea.” - Captain Scarlet

From the bottom of my heart: Thank you, Lyndon B. Johnson, Robert McNamara, Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and Juan Antonio Samaranch for your leading role in building modern Korea!

Thumbs up, the Vietnam War was absolutely great and the 1988 Olympic Games was magnificient too!!!

Hey, Grant and Captain Scarlet, can?쨈t you simply say: “You?쨈ve come a long way, Baby. But it?쨈s good now. Take care of your health and let us shake hands, Republic of Korea.” This would have been a nice reaction to the Iraq dispatch approval of the National Assembly. I guess, the Koreans can never satisfy you, whatever they do or not.

]]> By: Captain Scarlet http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-1998 Captain Scarlet Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:50:05 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-1998 not to take away from the bravery and sacrifice that the korean military made.. BUT.. korea was paid handsomely for their service.. not only did we pay for their entire operation.. we also made contracts with korean companies to allow them to be the ONLY suppliers or shippers to the southeast asia region. during the late stages of the war, US money flowing in to south korea accounted for a staggering 60% of their GDP. the vietnam war and the olympics in '88 built modern korea. not to take away from the bravery and sacrifice that the korean military made.. BUT.. korea was paid handsomely for their service.. not only did we pay for their entire operation.. we also made contracts with korean companies to allow them to be the ONLY suppliers or shippers to the southeast asia region. during the late stages of the war, US money flowing in to south korea accounted for a staggering 60% of their GDP. the vietnam war and the olympics in ‘88 built modern korea.

]]> By: Grant http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-1997 Grant Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:57:19 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-1997 arent they Third? after the US and britain.. thats what i read anyway anyway, its about time haha i think some people take it too hard on korea and its troops sometimes. they provided the most troops to vietnam (after the US obviously) but no one ever remembers that. arent they Third? after the US and britain.. thats what i read anyway

anyway, its about time haha

i think some people take it too hard on korea and its troops sometimes. they provided the most troops to vietnam (after the US obviously) but no one ever remembers that.

]]> By: shin jong il http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-1996 shin jong il Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:17:30 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-1996 i think i can take the liberty and speak on behalf of all americans and say: WE THANK YOU, SOUTH KOREA, FOR SENDING THE TROOPS AND BECOMING THE FOUTH LARGEST CONTINGENCY IN IRAQ. OUR SOLDIERS NEED THE SUPPORT! GOD BLESS YOU. i think i can take the liberty and speak on behalf of all americans and say:

WE THANK YOU, SOUTH KOREA, FOR SENDING THE TROOPS AND BECOMING THE FOUTH LARGEST CONTINGENCY IN IRAQ. OUR SOLDIERS NEED THE SUPPORT! GOD BLESS YOU.

]]> By: Captain Scarlet http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/14/one-bill-down-one-to-go/#comment-1995 Captain Scarlet Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:44:35 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=532#comment-1995 i think this lead to this. given that fact, i'd say it will pass next week. i think this lead to this. given that fact, i’d say it will pass next week.

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