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		<title>By: mook</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/09/more-rummy-honesty/#comment-37244</link>
		<dc:creator>mook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumsfeld &#38; Co. are leading the US into economic oblivion. It was a massive stretch for him to compare responding to a communist invasion (Korean War) with supporting a pre-emptive, illegal, unproductive, human-rights-violating  invasion of Iraq. 

Even barring his war crimes overseas and his dismantling of the US economy, the man is one of the worst military tacticians the US has ever spawned. Even a lot of US troops hate his guts. The sooner the US puts 'leaders' like this in jail the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumsfeld &amp; Co. are leading the US into economic oblivion. It was a massive stretch for him to compare responding to a communist invasion (Korean War) with supporting a pre-emptive, illegal, unproductive, human-rights-violating  invasion of Iraq. </p>
<p>Even barring his war crimes overseas and his dismantling of the US economy, the man is one of the worst military tacticians the US has ever spawned. Even a lot of US troops hate his guts. The sooner the US puts &#8216;leaders&#8217; like this in jail the better.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/09/more-rummy-honesty/#comment-1941</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 05:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Slim, I have to disagree with you on both Marmot knocking out posts like that guy's and knocking out his right to vote.....I understand your point, but ignorance shouldn't be made illegal.  

For one thing, hearing their voice, and understanding they could become the majority opinion, makes more of us give a damn and respond to them and try to show the rest why they are so wrong.

Not to such an extreme, but I think this is one of the differences between America pre and post 9/11.  Why people like the comedian Dennis Miller have done an about face on some issues ---

before, ignorant or ignoring or a feel goodish stance on some things seemed harmless.  

"What does it matter?"

The Cold War was over, and a certain amount of the public debate went dead as some people became disengaged on issues or decided their attention was better served elsewhere, but the same groups that tended to defend the Soviet Union against American oppression around the world or even defend people like Stalin tended to remain engaged and took up new areas to champion against what they still saw as an oppressive America.  This went beyond American society.  I remember in 1993 or 94 in France when I met my first group of Korean intellecutals, I was surprised to have to answer questions like, "Why is communism bad?" as if I had said something totally outrageous  when my response was to another idea I just couldn't fathom
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Slim, I have to disagree with you on both Marmot knocking out posts like that guy&#8217;s and knocking out his right to vote&#8230;..I understand your point, but ignorance shouldn&#8217;t be made illegal.  </p>
<p>For one thing, hearing their voice, and understanding they could become the majority opinion, makes more of us give a damn and respond to them and try to show the rest why they are so wrong.</p>
<p>Not to such an extreme, but I think this is one of the differences between America pre and post 9/11.  Why people like the comedian Dennis Miller have done an about face on some issues &#8212;</p>
<p>before, ignorant or ignoring or a feel goodish stance on some things seemed harmless.  </p>
<p>&#8220;What does it matter?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Cold War was over, and a certain amount of the public debate went dead as some people became disengaged on issues or decided their attention was better served elsewhere, but the same groups that tended to defend the Soviet Union against American oppression around the world or even defend people like Stalin tended to remain engaged and took up new areas to champion against what they still saw as an oppressive America.  This went beyond American society.  I remember in 1993 or 94 in France when I met my first group of Korean intellecutals, I was surprised to have to answer questions like, &#8220;Why is communism bad?&#8221; as if I had said something totally outrageous  when my response was to another idea I just couldn&#8217;t fathom</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/09/more-rummy-honesty/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for Gore (and now regret it) but I can't tell you just how downright scary it is that:

1) Sophist shin jong il has the right to vote in the USA. 

2) That any US citizen who pays attention to world affairs (admittedly not many do, but SJI claims to) could be so badly misinformed and illogical about them. I mean you employ standard Korean irrationalism on EVERY post and then you NEVER honestly address others' complaints.

I was trying to raise your game a bit and help you avoid committing dishonest dodges and childish fallacies. But you are beyond hope.

The Marmot is too kind and polite in tolerating your kind of crap. You must know that there are countless blogs where honesty and facts don't seem to matter that much and your ignorance wouldn't stick out so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for Gore (and now regret it) but I can&#8217;t tell you just how downright scary it is that:</p>
<p>1) Sophist shin jong il has the right to vote in the USA. </p>
<p>2) That any US citizen who pays attention to world affairs (admittedly not many do, but SJI claims to) could be so badly misinformed and illogical about them. I mean you employ standard Korean irrationalism on EVERY post and then you NEVER honestly address others&#8217; complaints.</p>
<p>I was trying to raise your game a bit and help you avoid committing dishonest dodges and childish fallacies. But you are beyond hope.</p>
<p>The Marmot is too kind and polite in tolerating your kind of crap. You must know that there are countless blogs where honesty and facts don&#8217;t seem to matter that much and your ignorance wouldn&#8217;t stick out so much.</p>
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		<title>By: shin jong il</title>
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		<dc:creator>shin jong il</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'better fits his stereotypes about americans.' 

slim 

no, not sterotypes about americans. sterotypes about americans like you. do you understand there's a differnce between the two, slimy? 

i'll be voting in the next election to remove that failure we call bush, slim. see you at the polls. 

and please stop paying so much attention to me, ya rambuctious tyke. i'm beginning to think you have a crush on me. i don't swing that way, slimy.

sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;better fits his stereotypes about americans.&#8217; </p>
<p>slim </p>
<p>no, not sterotypes about americans. sterotypes about americans like you. do you understand there&#8217;s a differnce between the two, slimy? </p>
<p>i&#8217;ll be voting in the next election to remove that failure we call bush, slim. see you at the polls. </p>
<p>and please stop paying so much attention to me, ya rambuctious tyke. i&#8217;m beginning to think you have a crush on me. i don&#8217;t swing that way, slimy.</p>
<p>sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/09/more-rummy-honesty/#comment-1938</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2004 01:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"there?쨈re certain international rules for intervention or non-intervention or engagement. no country should have the unilateral, self-righteous right to handpick another nation to intervene."

Well, this is again just wrong.  It would be nice if it were true.  In 1989, I had great hopes for the UN, but alas...A group where France gets together with the Arab-oil led block to boot the US off the Human Rights commission and Libya gets to head sections on nonproliferation is not going to be a very law abiding one.

And above all, nothing is as simply as you would like it to be.  National interests, of both the US and any Coalition partners, are going to decide when a nation spends huge amounts of resources, including the blood of its men and women, to fight for another nation.  We didn't go into Kuwait simply because it was invaded.  Does this mean it was "just" a war for oil?  Life doesn't boil down to simplistic slogan-like conclusions.  But Rwanda would have had a better chance of seeing intervention if it had oil....but then again, wasn't that blood-letting over with rather quickly?

I know its nice to believe in things like "international law" as if they are the same as how internal, domestic, national laws work....but that is not the world we live in and will not be in the foreseeable future.

If it were, North Korea would have been bombed off the face of the map a long, long time ago, but they have a pretty good deterent....

Next, I think you almost had something when you were talking about Clinton.....You see, Clinton had a common adversion to sending American bodies to come home in body bags.  So when the Bin Laden led groups bombed the two embassies in Africa, he sent the missiles to do the work.  Missiles don't bleed.  There were a string of terrorist attacks spilling American and other blood throughout the 1990s that did not lead to anything more than a less than stellar tit-for-tat response which did nothing but make the Bin Laden groups more bold and convince them the US did not have the will to fight.  And we didn't, at the time.  I don't blame Clinton much, because the American people were not in the mood to support war.  Now we are and have a president who wanted to do something about what Clinton went on television in 1998 to say was a nation that we needed to use the military against because, without a doubt, it would use WMD one day.......just the military he was willing to use was again......bombs and missiles....

Next, I went to check on Iraq War I and II stats the other day, and I found something interesting.  If you take out the troops supplied by the Arab states, especially Saudia Arabia, who were scared shitless about Iraq having Kuwaiti oil and being on the move toward Saudi Arabia in 1991, the great coalition of Iraq War I made up only 12% of the total fighting forces, but in the great unilateral war of Iraq II, the foreign mercenary troops (I guess we have to call them that, since the war was "unilateral", right?  can't call it a coalition, right?) made up 15% of the total fighting force.

Damn interesting...for a unilateral war....

If you check out the planes used in Bosnia and Kosovo, you also get the usual gross disparage in numbers ---  And of course, when the bombing and fighting is pretty much done, it isn't so hard for the Russians to demand to "be part of the coalition" and rush troops to take over an airbase in Kosovo, is it?

And I'll close with this.....for someone based in Germany, you sure have a clear view of the majority of losers who make Korea their long-term temporary home........you also didn't answer why you chose to live in Germany either, but that means nothing to me.  Obviously many of the long term Korea residence have strong feelings about America too....but you started to answer that charge against you but left out the key part........Anyway, I'd like to know how you can tell from Germany how the majority of the expats in Korea are pathetic rock-star-wannabees???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there?쨈re certain international rules for intervention or non-intervention or engagement. no country should have the unilateral, self-righteous right to handpick another nation to intervene.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, this is again just wrong.  It would be nice if it were true.  In 1989, I had great hopes for the UN, but alas&#8230;A group where France gets together with the Arab-oil led block to boot the US off the Human Rights commission and Libya gets to head sections on nonproliferation is not going to be a very law abiding one.</p>
<p>And above all, nothing is as simply as you would like it to be.  National interests, of both the US and any Coalition partners, are going to decide when a nation spends huge amounts of resources, including the blood of its men and women, to fight for another nation.  We didn&#8217;t go into Kuwait simply because it was invaded.  Does this mean it was &#8220;just&#8221; a war for oil?  Life doesn&#8217;t boil down to simplistic slogan-like conclusions.  But Rwanda would have had a better chance of seeing intervention if it had oil&#8230;.but then again, wasn&#8217;t that blood-letting over with rather quickly?</p>
<p>I know its nice to believe in things like &#8220;international law&#8221; as if they are the same as how internal, domestic, national laws work&#8230;.but that is not the world we live in and will not be in the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>If it were, North Korea would have been bombed off the face of the map a long, long time ago, but they have a pretty good deterent&#8230;.</p>
<p>Next, I think you almost had something when you were talking about Clinton&#8230;..You see, Clinton had a common adversion to sending American bodies to come home in body bags.  So when the Bin Laden led groups bombed the two embassies in Africa, he sent the missiles to do the work.  Missiles don&#8217;t bleed.  There were a string of terrorist attacks spilling American and other blood throughout the 1990s that did not lead to anything more than a less than stellar tit-for-tat response which did nothing but make the Bin Laden groups more bold and convince them the US did not have the will to fight.  And we didn&#8217;t, at the time.  I don&#8217;t blame Clinton much, because the American people were not in the mood to support war.  Now we are and have a president who wanted to do something about what Clinton went on television in 1998 to say was a nation that we needed to use the military against because, without a doubt, it would use WMD one day&#8230;&#8230;.just the military he was willing to use was again&#8230;&#8230;bombs and missiles&#8230;.</p>
<p>Next, I went to check on Iraq War I and II stats the other day, and I found something interesting.  If you take out the troops supplied by the Arab states, especially Saudia Arabia, who were scared shitless about Iraq having Kuwaiti oil and being on the move toward Saudi Arabia in 1991, the great coalition of Iraq War I made up only 12% of the total fighting forces, but in the great unilateral war of Iraq II, the foreign mercenary troops (I guess we have to call them that, since the war was &#8220;unilateral&#8221;, right?  can&#8217;t call it a coalition, right?) made up 15% of the total fighting force.</p>
<p>Damn interesting&#8230;for a unilateral war&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you check out the planes used in Bosnia and Kosovo, you also get the usual gross disparage in numbers &#8212;  And of course, when the bombing and fighting is pretty much done, it isn&#8217;t so hard for the Russians to demand to &#8220;be part of the coalition&#8221; and rush troops to take over an airbase in Kosovo, is it?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll close with this&#8230;..for someone based in Germany, you sure have a clear view of the majority of losers who make Korea their long-term temporary home&#8230;&#8230;..you also didn&#8217;t answer why you chose to live in Germany either, but that means nothing to me.  Obviously many of the long term Korea residence have strong feelings about America too&#8230;.but you started to answer that charge against you but left out the key part&#8230;&#8230;..Anyway, I&#8217;d like to know how you can tell from Germany how the majority of the expats in Korea are pathetic rock-star-wannabees???</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sugar shin: to summarize: the usa is the greatest nation - koreans are ingrateful, xenophobic, leftist idiots and mindless rioters... well, you have convinced me.

Like creditors everywhere, Americans aren't interested in how great Korea is or will be - they just want to be repaid. And whatever the ROK's attainments, Koreans have shown no sign of being willing to repay this debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sugar shin: to summarize: the usa is the greatest nation - koreans are ingrateful, xenophobic, leftist idiots and mindless rioters&#8230; well, you have convinced me.</p>
<p>Like creditors everywhere, Americans aren&#8217;t interested in how great Korea is or will be - they just want to be repaid. And whatever the ROK&#8217;s attainments, Koreans have shown no sign of being willing to repay this debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sugar Shin, grow up. Stop playing the blame game. Are you so naive to think that SK would be as prosperous if it were not for USA? Who the hell gained more from this "close" relationship between USA and SK? Who the hell will be the big looser if this relationship is to break apart? Let me give you a clue - it's not US.

Grow up, stop having tantrums, become pragmatic, maintain open mind and become a solution and not the problem. Oh yea, learn to say and believe "I disagree with you but let's work together to achieve a common solution". If you want to influence an "800lb guerrilla" you don't do it by spitting at its face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugar Shin, grow up. Stop playing the blame game. Are you so naive to think that SK would be as prosperous if it were not for USA? Who the hell gained more from this &#8220;close&#8221; relationship between USA and SK? Who the hell will be the big looser if this relationship is to break apart? Let me give you a clue - it&#8217;s not US.</p>
<p>Grow up, stop having tantrums, become pragmatic, maintain open mind and become a solution and not the problem. Oh yea, learn to say and believe &#8220;I disagree with you but let&#8217;s work together to achieve a common solution&#8221;. If you want to influence an &#8220;800lb guerrilla&#8221; you don&#8217;t do it by spitting at its face.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can minds be changed by reason-free emotion, fallacious arguments, half-digested Bruce Cumings
and deliberate evasion? 

If we have to loose a Mr Shin (and this is not "Survivor" let alone the Fox Channel), I'd say send SJI back to the Korea Herald board, where he can bait foreigners and go "head to head" with foul-mouthed people who better fit his stereotypes about Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can minds be changed by reason-free emotion, fallacious arguments, half-digested Bruce Cumings<br />
and deliberate evasion? </p>
<p>If we have to loose a Mr Shin (and this is not &#8220;Survivor&#8221; let alone the Fox Channel), I&#8217;d say send SJI back to the Korea Herald board, where he can bait foreigners and go &#8220;head to head&#8221; with foul-mouthed people who better fit his stereotypes about Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: shin jong il</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Shin, i hope it's not true that you will never post here again but i understand if you don't; afterall, you won't be changing any minds here. 

anyway, at the very least, drop by and watch me go head to head with some real god damn yahoos enslaved by the fox news network.  

would any of you like a banjo? 

Mr Shin, live well and enjoy the german schnitel with spaetzle. 

goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Shin, i hope it&#8217;s not true that you will never post here again but i understand if you don&#8217;t; afterall, you won&#8217;t be changing any minds here. </p>
<p>anyway, at the very least, drop by and watch me go head to head with some real god damn yahoos enslaved by the fox news network.  </p>
<p>would any of you like a banjo? </p>
<p>Mr Shin, live well and enjoy the german schnitel with spaetzle. </p>
<p>goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA A'OK, next time you open a i tag, er, close it, too...
Doesn't speak well of TypePad, either...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA A&#8217;OK, next time you open a i tag, er, close it, too&#8230;<br />
Doesn&#8217;t speak well of TypePad, either&#8230;</p>
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